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|[[File:Hebrew.jpg|center|200px|thumb|This is the Papyrus 46 which is the oldest copy. Papyrus 13 is also available from the 3rd or 4th century AD. It contains the Epistle to the Hebrews in the original Koine Greek.]]
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| [[Hebrews 13]] is talking about what it takes to live by [[faith]], [[hope]] and [[charity]] and the [[perfect law of liberty]] conforming to the teachings of [[John the Baptist]] and [[Jesus]] and not living by forcing their neighbor to contribute to their [[welfare]] with [[Covetous Practices]]. [[Early Christians]] did not desire the [[One purse]] of modern [[Socialism]] through the [[welfare]] of the [[Public religion]] of [[Statism]]  and the [[Slothful|sloth]] justified by [[False religion]] which tickles the ears  with feigned words rather than the [[Pure Religion]] of the [[early Church]].
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|[[Modern Christians]] have become entangled again in the [[yoke]] of [[bondage]] according to the [[elements]] of the [[world]]. Because they are slothful in [[the way]]s of [[righteousness]], [[covet]] the [[wages of unrighteousness]], are willing to [[Bite|bite one another]] to get [[benefits]] from men who call themselves [[benefactors]], who are ''the [[fathers]] of the earth'', and [[exercise authority]] and rule one over the other and because they regularly take [[oaths]], all of which Christ said not to do.
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| Jesus said not to pray to those [[Fathers]] for your [[free bread|daily bread]] at the expense of your neighbor.
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|  Through these [[covetous practices]] they have become [[merchandise]] as Peter said they would. [[Modern Christians]] do all these things against the teachings of Christ because they are under a [[strong delusion]].
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| The words ''"rule over"'' in [[Hebrews 13]] come from ''hegeomai''<Ref name="hegeomai">{{2233}}</Ref>specifically means a [[titular]] leader and is not the Greek word ''archon'' meaning ruler.<Ref>{{758}}</Ref>
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| '''V17''' Obey<Ref name="peitho">{{3982}}</Ref> is about being "persuade" not by ruler but (hēgoumenois)<Ref name="hegeomai"></Ref> which only appears here in the Bible in this form and only means someone who "goes before".  The word translated submit is ''hypeikete''<Ref name="hupeikó">{{5226}}</Ref> suggestinto consider the way of these leaders. And of course they should be leading you in  [[the way]] that [[watch]]es<Ref name="watchpra">{{watchpra}}</Ref> for your souls.
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| The [[ekklesia]] of [[Jesus]] were forbidden by Christ to "[[Exercise authority]] one over another". But neither did the [[elders]] of each [[family]] have a right to rule over the [[ekklesia]]. Their authority was limited to their right to choose who they would accept as their minister and the extant of their freely given support of the [[daily ministration]] of the Church in the practice of "[[Pure Religion]]".
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| What was the [[Christian conflict]]?
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| What was the problem with [[Cain]], [[Nimrod]], [[Pharaoh]], [[Saul]], or [[Caesar]] and what was the  [[Christian conflict]] with [[Rome]]?
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| What good works is Peter talking about and how would those good works speak of you as not an evildoer?
* Why would the gentiles think of you as an evil doer?
* Once we understand that the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] was a [[Welfare|welfare]] system the forced the sacrifices of the people, imposing contributions based on ''hand written ordinances'' against their members, we may begin to understand the [[Christian conflict]] with the Roman government.
* To understand how what should have been for our [[Welfare|welfare]] can become a snare<Ref>Psalms 69:22  Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
:Romans 11:9  And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:</Ref> and why we should not eat at the table of kings<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee:  And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.  Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.  Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.</Ref> is important to understanding the gospel.
* [[Romans 13]] and 1 Peter 2,13-14
::Is the Bible consistent about setting men free or does it contradict itself?
::http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/romanspeter.php
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| See '''[[1 Peter 2:13]]'''
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[1] Let brotherly love continue.
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
[3] Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
[4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
[5] Let your conversation be without [[covetousness]]; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
<blockquote>
* Can we say their "conversation be without covetousness"?
</blockquote>
[6] So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
<blockquote>
* Who is our helper? God or the benefactors who exercise authority and the [[fathers]] of the earth?
</blockquote>
[7] Remember them which have the rule over<Ref name="hegeomai"></Ref> you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
<blockquote>
* The word "rule" is not the Greek word 'arche' meaning 'ruler' but 'hegeomai' meaning 'leader', "leading as respects influence... overseers or leaders of the churches" but they are not to be like the rulers of other people who exercise authority one over the other. Most often  translated count 10 times, think 4, esteem. The ministers appointed by Christ to be His Church should be leaders who take "count" of the people they serve in the name of the Lord as his servants.
</blockquote>
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
[9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
<blockquote>
* Are the "meats, which have not profited" actually the "dainties" of the king and rulers which are "deceitful meats" as fortold in [[Proverbs 23]]:1-6 which warns against eating his bread and neither desire thou his dainty meats: or the '''[[Corban]]''' of the [[Pharisees]] which ''made the word of God to none effect''?
</blockquote>
[10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
<blockquote>
* So where are the [[altars]] of the [[modern Christians]]? Or do they eat at the table of rulers who [[exercise authority]] one over the other?
</blockquote>
[11] For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
[12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
[13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
[14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
<blockquote>
* Even though the [[early Church]] provided all the [[welfare]] for their fellow Christians in a [[daily ministration]] of charity, Hebrews is talking about the people giving a sacrifice "without the camp", which is  reference to the sacrifice of the '''[[Red Heifer]]''' which is nothing more than foreign aid to others "without the gate".
</blockquote>
[15] By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
<blockquote>
* And because we owe all to the [[grace]] of God let that sacrifice ''without of the camp'' - our aid to others not in congregation with us - be credited by our lips and [[confess|confession]] to Christ and not to us.
</blockquote>
[16] But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
<blockquote>
* To "do good and to communicate" is a unique phrase composed of two words: ''eupoiia'' meaning ''Beneficence''<Ref>{{2140}} </Ref> and ''koinonia'' meaning a ''fellowship of communion''<Ref>{{2842}} </Ref> impressing upon us that we should be a Benefit to each other in a [[communion]] of [[fellowship]].
</blockquote>
[17] Obey<Ref name="peitho">{{3982}}</Ref> them that have the rule over(hēgoumenois)<Ref name="hegeomai"></Ref> you, and submit<Ref name="hupeikó">{{5226}}</Ref>  yourselves: for they watch<Ref name="watchpra">{{watchpra}}</Ref> for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief<Ref name="sighd">{{sighd}}</Ref>: for that is unprofitable for you.
<blockquote>
*  The word "obey" is commonly translated "persuade" and "trust"<Ref>{{3982}}</Ref> which is translated ''trust'' in the very next verse... and again ''rule over'' means those that ''account''<Ref name="hegeomai"></Ref> for you in the [[kingdom of God]] not ''rule over'' as in [[exercise authority]].
</blockquote>
[18] Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
[19] But I beseech you the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.
[20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the [[blood]] of the everlasting covenant,
[21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[22] And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.
[23] Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.
[24] Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.
[25] Grace be with you all. Amen.
<blockquote>Summing up:
: Not only do we care for one another in a [[daily ministration]] of "brotherly love".
But we should "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers" and contribute to the [[welfare]] of strangers in the manner of the sacrifice of the '''[[Red Heifer]]'''.
We should aid and support those ministers who take account of you and by their service make your local congregations into a part of a kingdom of charity and [[righteousness]].
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This is the Papyrus 46 which is the oldest copy. Papyrus 13 is also available from the 3rd or 4th century AD. It contains the Epistle to the Hebrews in the original Koine Greek.
Hebrews 13 is talking about what it takes to live by faith, hope and charity and the perfect law of liberty conforming to the teachings of John the Baptist and Jesus and not living by forcing their neighbor to contribute to their welfare with Covetous Practices. Early Christians did not desire the One purse of modern Socialism through the welfare of the Public religion of Statism and the sloth justified by False religion which tickles the ears with feigned words rather than the Pure Religion of the early Church.
Modern Christians have become entangled again in the yoke of bondage according to the elements of the world. Because they are slothful in the ways of righteousness, covet the wages of unrighteousness, are willing to bite one another to get benefits from men who call themselves benefactors, who are the fathers of the earth, and exercise authority and rule one over the other and because they regularly take oaths, all of which Christ said not to do.
Jesus said not to pray to those Fathers for your daily bread at the expense of your neighbor.
Through these covetous practices they have become merchandise as Peter said they would. Modern Christians do all these things against the teachings of Christ because they are under a strong delusion.
The words "rule over" in Hebrews 13 come from hegeomai[1]specifically means a titular leader and is not the Greek word archon meaning ruler.[2]
V17 Obey[3] is about being "persuade" not by ruler but (hēgoumenois)[1] which only appears here in the Bible in this form and only means someone who "goes before". The word translated submit is hypeikete[4] suggestinto consider the way of these leaders. And of course they should be leading you in the way that watches[5] for your souls.
The ekklesia of Jesus were forbidden by Christ to "Exercise authority one over another". But neither did the elders of each family have a right to rule over the ekklesia. Their authority was limited to their right to choose who they would accept as their minister and the extant of their freely given support of the daily ministration of the Church in the practice of "Pure Religion".
What was the Christian conflict?
What was the problem with Cain, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Saul, or Caesar and what was the Christian conflict with Rome?
What good works is Peter talking about and how would those good works speak of you as not an evildoer?
  • Why would the gentiles think of you as an evil doer?
  • Once we understand that the Corban of the Pharisees was a welfare system the forced the sacrifices of the people, imposing contributions based on hand written ordinances against their members, we may begin to understand the Christian conflict with the Roman government.
  • To understand how what should have been for our welfare can become a snare[6] and why we should not eat at the table of kings[7] is important to understanding the gospel.
  • Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2,13-14
Is the Bible consistent about setting men free or does it contradict itself?
http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/romanspeter.php
See 1 Peter 2:13

[1] Let brotherly love continue.

[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

[3] Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.

[4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

  • Can we say their "conversation be without covetousness"?

[6] So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

  • Who is our helper? God or the benefactors who exercise authority and the fathers of the earth?

[7] Remember them which have the rule over[1] you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

  • The word "rule" is not the Greek word 'arche' meaning 'ruler' but 'hegeomai' meaning 'leader', "leading as respects influence... overseers or leaders of the churches" but they are not to be like the rulers of other people who exercise authority one over the other. Most often translated count 10 times, think 4, esteem. The ministers appointed by Christ to be His Church should be leaders who take "count" of the people they serve in the name of the Lord as his servants.

[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

[9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

  • Are the "meats, which have not profited" actually the "dainties" of the king and rulers which are "deceitful meats" as fortold in Proverbs 23:1-6 which warns against eating his bread and neither desire thou his dainty meats: or the Corban of the Pharisees which made the word of God to none effect?

[10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

[11] For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

[12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

[13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

[14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

  • Even though the early Church provided all the welfare for their fellow Christians in a daily ministration of charity, Hebrews is talking about the people giving a sacrifice "without the camp", which is reference to the sacrifice of the Red Heifer which is nothing more than foreign aid to others "without the gate".

[15] By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

  • And because we owe all to the grace of God let that sacrifice without of the camp - our aid to others not in congregation with us - be credited by our lips and confession to Christ and not to us.

[16] But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

  • To "do good and to communicate" is a unique phrase composed of two words: eupoiia meaning Beneficence[8] and koinonia meaning a fellowship of communion[9] impressing upon us that we should be a Benefit to each other in a communion of fellowship.

[17] Obey[3] them that have the rule over(hēgoumenois)[1] you, and submit[4] yourselves: for they watch[5] for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief[10]: for that is unprofitable for you.

  • The word "obey" is commonly translated "persuade" and "trust"[11] which is translated trust in the very next verse... and again rule over means those that account[1] for you in the kingdom of God not rule over as in exercise authority.

[18] Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

[19] But I beseech you the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.

[20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

[21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

[22] And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

[23] Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

[24] Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

[25] Grace be with you all. Amen.

Summing up:

Not only do we care for one another in a daily ministration of "brotherly love".

But we should "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers" and contribute to the welfare of strangers in the manner of the sacrifice of the Red Heifer. We should aid and support those ministers who take account of you and by their service make your local congregations into a part of a kingdom of charity and righteousness.


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  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 2233 ~ἡγέομαι~ hegeomai \@hayg-eh’-om-ahee\@ middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of 71; TDNT-2:907,303; {See TDNT 289} v AV-count 10, think 4, esteem 3, have rule over 3, be governor 2, misc 6; 28
    1) to lead
    1a) to go before
    1b) to be a leader
    1b1) to rule, command
    1b2) to have authority over
    1b3) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
    1b4) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
    1b5) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
    2) to consider, deem, account, think
    For Synonyms see entry 5837
  2. ↑ 758 ~ἄρχων~ archon \@ar’-khone\@ present participle of 757; TDNT-1:488,81; {See TDNT 102} n m AV-ruler 22, prince 11, chief 2, magistrate 1, chief ruler 1; 37
    1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 3982 ~πείθω~ peitho \@pi’-tho\@ a primary verb;v AV-persuade 22, trust 8, obey 7, have confidence 6, believe 3, be confident 2, misc 7; 55
    1) persuade
    1a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe
    1b) to make friends of, to win one’s favour, gain one’s good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please one
    1c) to tranquillise
    1d) to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something
    2) be persuaded
    2a) to be persuaded, to suffer one’s self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing
    2a1) to believe
    2a2) to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person
    2b) to listen to, obey, yield to, comply with
    3) to trust, have confidence, be confident
  4. ↑ 4.0 4.1 5226 ὑπείκω hupeiko [hoop-i’-ko] from 5259 and eiko (to yield, be "weak"); v; AV-submit (one’s) self 1; 1
    1) to resist no longer, but to give way, yield (of combatants)
    2) metaph. to yield to authority and admonition, to submit
  5. ↑ 5.0 5.1 Watch and Pray
    Matthew 26:41 "Watch<1127> and pray<4336>, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak."
    Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch<69> and pray<4336>: for ye know not when the time is."
    Mark 14:38 "Watch<1127> ye and pray<4336>, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak."
    Luke 21:36 "Watch<69> ye therefore, and pray<1189> always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
    Ephesians 6:18 "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"
    Hebrews 13:17 "Obey(persuade) them that have the rule(count) over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you."
    1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"
  6. ↑ Psalms 69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
    Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
  7. ↑ Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.
  8. ↑ 2140 ~εὐποιΐα~ eupoiia \@yoo-poy-ee’-ah\@ from a compound of 2095 and 4160; ; n f AV-to do good 1; 1 1) adoring good, beneficence</Ref>
  9. ↑ 2842 ~κοινωνία~ koinonia \@koy-nohn-ee’-ah\@ from 2844 partaker ; TDNT-3:797,447; {See TDNT 395} n f AV-fellowship 12, communion 4, communication 1, distribution 1, contribution 1, to communicate 1; 20
    1) fellowship, association, community, communion, joint participation, intercourse
    1a) the share which one has in anything, participation
    1b) intercourse, fellowship, intimacy
    1b1) the right hand as a sign and pledge of fellowship (in fulfilling the apostolic office)
    1c) a gift jointly contributed, a collection, a contribution, as exhibiting an embodiment and proof of fellowship
  10. ↑ He sighed
    Mark 7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed <4727>, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.
    Romans 8:23 "And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan <4727> within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body."
    2 Corinthians 5:2 "For in this we groan <4727>, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan <4727>, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."
    Hebrews 13:17 "Obey (persuade) them that have the rule (count) over you, and submit yourselves(ressit no longer): for they watch for your souls(breath), as they that must give account(Logos), that they may do it with joy, and not with grief <4727>: for that [is] unprofitable for you."
    James 5:9 "Grudge <4727> not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. (swear not)"
  11. ↑ 3982 ~πείθω~ peitho \@pi’-tho\@ a primary verb;v AV-persuade 22, trust 8, obey 7, have confidence 6, believe 3, be confident 2, misc 7; 55
    1) persuade
    1a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe
    1b) to make friends of, to win one’s favour, gain one’s good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please one
    1c) to tranquillise
    1d) to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something
    2) be persuaded
    2a) to be persuaded, to suffer one’s self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing
    2a1) to believe
    2a2) to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person
    2b) to listen to, obey, yield to, comply with
    3) to trust, have confidence, be confident
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