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This Chapter is about the rejection of God by the voice of the people. It is a pivotal point in the history of Israel and will not only lead in the foolishness of King Saul causing his government to fail but it would degenerate the people and give rise to tyranny. Many do not learn from history and are condemned to repeat its mistakes. Israel would fall as a nation because they abandoned the way of God for the ways of Cain, Nimrod, Pharaoh, and Caesar and eventually reject God himself. Like the modern Christian they said they believed but they stopped being doers of God's word.

Israel Demands a King

1 Samuel 8:1 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.

2 Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.

3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.^[1]

Study
1 Samuel 8 is often quoted by men (like Thomas Paine in Common Sense) to show that rise of governments which exercise authority or power over the masses comes from when people look to governments to solve their problems. When the voice of the people cry out to elect rulers we are seeing the evidence of the people rejecting God.
The giver and lover of life, the grantor of rights and responsibilities should rule mankind in their hearts and minds. But to give men the power to rule over you and your neighbor because of sloth or the desire for benefits at the expense of others is a rejection of that God of love and life and bring the people and their children under the curse of 1 Samuel 8.
The more power people give to their governments the more they reject God and the farther they are from God. The more they make the welfare State their father and eat at his table the more they are snared in the bondage of Egypt.
Unless the people repent when they cry out God says he will not hear them.
Comments
The election of rulers and the covetous practices of the people cause corrupts the leaders of society and the people until they become human resources and curses their children become a surety for debt.
V22 they do not go back to their tents but to their city. This will become a city of blood as they been to biting one another through an appetite for the dainties of rulers.
No ruler should be given the power to return the people to the bondage of Egypt and the people should keep that precept in their minds if they include the warnings and instructions of the five elements of a constitutional order or system of government found in Deuteronomy 17:16.
If the people and their priests forget the way of Pure religion and go the way of public religion with its force, fealty, and covetous practices of those greedy for gain they will become human resources and curse children. We need to know that the dainties of rulers are deceitful meats.^[2]
We will see the mechanism for this when Saul chooses to force a sacrifice of the people even for a good cause but is called foolish by Samuel and warned that his kingdom would fall. This lesson for the masses was taught by many and warnings are rampant throughout the Bible from Exodus to Revelation.
Only repenting and seeking the kingdom of God will provide for their salvation because Christ sacrificed himself so that they might be saved.

4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us^[3] like all the nations.

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us^[3]. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

8 According to all the works which they have done^[4] since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

Samuel's Warning Against Kings

10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.

11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you^[5]: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

Not hear you

18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.^[4]

The Lord Grants Israel's Request

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.

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↑ The Levites formed a system of appeals courts which were called the cities of refuge through a network of ministers created by the choice of the people through the patterns of tens in free assemblies. These courts could acquit people who did not get a fair trial in local congregations of the people. But if they took bribes the guilty might go free from recompense. The people could prevent that corruption if they chose their ministers with an eye on that distant corruption. But if the people were not interested in the weightier matters for everyone in the nation corruption and bribes will go unchecked.
↑ : Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: 2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou [be] a man given to appetite.3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they [are] deceitful meat. 4 ¶ Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. 5 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for [riches] certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. 6 ¶ Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: 7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee. 8 The morsel [which] thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words. 9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Psalms 141:4 Incline not my heart to [any] evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.
↑ ^3.0 ^3.1 We see the original text contains LamedShemPeiTetNunVav lə·šā·p̄ə·ṭê·nū instead of the word ShemPeiTet which is only found in verses 5 and 6.
08199 ^טפשׁ^ ShemPeiTet shaphat \@shaw-fat’\@ a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 2443} AV-judge (v) 119, judge (n) 60, plead 11, avenged 2, condemn 2, execute 2, judgment 2, defend 1, deliver 1, misc 3; 203

1) to judge, govern, vindicate, punish
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to act as law-giver or judge or governor (of God, man)
1a1a) to rule, govern, judge

1a2) to decide controversy (of God, man)

1a3) to execute judgment
1a3a) discriminating (of man)

1a3b) vindicating

1a3c) condemning and punishing

1a3d) at theophanic advent for final judgment

1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to enter into controversy, plead, have controversy together
1b2) to be judged

1c) (Poel) judge, opponent-at-law (participle)
↑ ^4.0 ^4.1 Cries of anguish
Matthew 7:1-2 “1 ‭Judge not, that ye be not judged. ‭For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Genesis 42:21-22 "21 And they said one to another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul, when he besought us, and we would not hear; therefore is this distress come upon us. 22 And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required."

Proverbs 1:26-32 "26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: 29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: 30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. 32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."

Proverbs 1:10-19 (The way of One purse and the Cities of blood.) "10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause: 12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit: 13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil: 14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse: 15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path: 16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. 17 Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird. 18 And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives. 19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof."

1 Samuel 8:18 “‭And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.”

Exodus 12:19 "Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land."

Matthew 16:11-12 "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

Luke 12:1 "In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

Romans 2:8-9 "8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;"

Micah 3:5 "Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him."

Galatians 5:15 "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."
↑ Bondage of Egypt
Deuteronomy 6:12 [Then] beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 17:16 "But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way."

1 Samuel 8:11 "And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take ...take...take...take...take...take...take... 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day."

2 Kings 17:23 "Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day."

Jeremiah 42:13 "But if ye say, We will not dwell in this land, neither obey the voice of the LORD your God, 14 Saying, No; but we will go into the land of Egypt, where we shall see no war, nor hear the sound of the trumpet, nor have hunger of bread; and there will we dwell: 15 And now therefore hear the word of the LORD, ye remnant of Judah; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; If ye wholly set your faces to enter into Egypt, and go to sojourn there; 16 Then it shall come to pass, [that] the sword, which ye feared, shall overtake you there in the land of Egypt, and the famine, whereof ye were afraid, shall follow close after you there in Egypt; and there ye shall die..."

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us :39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust [him] from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,"

Galatians 5:1 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."

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[1] The Levites formed a system of appeals courts which were called the cities of refuge through a network of ministers created by the choice of the people through the patterns of tens in free assemblies. These courts could acquit people who did not get a fair trial in local congregations of the people. But if they took bribes the guilty might go free from recompense. The people could prevent that corruption if they chose their ministers with an eye on that distant corruption. But if the people were not interested in the weightier matters for everyone in the nation corruption and bribes will go unchecked.

[2] : Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: 2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou [be] a man given to appetite.3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they [are] deceitful meat. 4 ¶ Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. 5 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for [riches] certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. 6 ¶ Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: 7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee. 8 The morsel [which] thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words. 9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Psalms 141:4 Incline not my heart to [any] evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.

[judge-3] 3.0 ^3.1 We see the original text contains LamedShemPeiTetNunVav lə·šā·p̄ə·ṭê·nū instead of the word ShemPeiTet which is only found in verses 5 and 6.
08199 ^טפשׁ^ ShemPeiTet shaphat \@shaw-fat’\@ a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 2443} AV-judge (v) 119, judge (n) 60, plead 11, avenged 2, condemn 2, execute 2, judgment 2, defend 1, deliver 1, misc 3; 203

1) to judge, govern, vindicate, punish
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to act as law-giver or judge or governor (of God, man)
1a1a) to rule, govern, judge

1a2) to decide controversy (of God, man)

1a3) to execute judgment
1a3a) discriminating (of man)

1a3b) vindicating

1a3c) condemning and punishing

1a3d) at theophanic advent for final judgment

1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to enter into controversy, plead, have controversy together
1b2) to be judged

1c) (Poel) judge, opponent-at-law (participle)

[cryanguish-4] 4.0 ^4.1 Cries of anguish
Matthew 7:1-2 “1 ‭Judge not, that ye be not judged. ‭For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Genesis 42:21-22 "21 And they said one to another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul, when he besought us, and we would not hear; therefore is this distress come upon us. 22 And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required."

Proverbs 1:26-32 "26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: 29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: 30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. 32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."

Proverbs 1:10-19 (The way of One purse and the Cities of blood.) "10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause: 12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit: 13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil: 14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse: 15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path: 16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. 17 Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird. 18 And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives. 19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof."

1 Samuel 8:18 “‭And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.”

Exodus 12:19 "Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land."

Matthew 16:11-12 "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

Luke 12:1 "In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

Romans 2:8-9 "8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;"

Micah 3:5 "Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him."

Galatians 5:15 "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."

[Bondageq'-5] Bondage of Egypt
Deuteronomy 6:12 [Then] beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 17:16 "But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way."

1 Samuel 8:11 "And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take ...take...take...take...take...take...take... 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day."

2 Kings 17:23 "Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day."

Jeremiah 42:13 "But if ye say, We will not dwell in this land, neither obey the voice of the LORD your God, 14 Saying, No; but we will go into the land of Egypt, where we shall see no war, nor hear the sound of the trumpet, nor have hunger of bread; and there will we dwell: 15 And now therefore hear the word of the LORD, ye remnant of Judah; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; If ye wholly set your faces to enter into Egypt, and go to sojourn there; 16 Then it shall come to pass, [that] the sword, which ye feared, shall overtake you there in the land of Egypt, and the famine, whereof ye were afraid, shall follow close after you there in Egypt; and there ye shall die..."

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us :39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust [him] from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,"

Galatians 5:1 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."

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