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=== Might buy or sell ===
=== Might buy or sell ===


[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[17] And that no man might<Ref name="dunamai">{{1410}}</Ref> buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


== Here is wisdom ===
=== Here is wisdom ===


[18] Here is [[wisdom]]. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
[18] Here is [[wisdom]]. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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The painting shows a Roman slave market with people wearing clay tablets to identify them and the owner of their labor. Identifying slaves or a citizen's eligibility for benefits and even a liability for taxes in Rome was often done with a clay plaque made with a charag to produce a "Charagma". The Greek word Charagma we often translate "mark" in Revelation specifically means a “badge of servitude”. Beasts in prophecy are generally identified as governments. In Egypt the Israelites were bound by a different form of servitude as members of the corvee under the care of the Pharaoh but owing 1/5 of their labor.
What is your government issued badge of servitude required by law in almost every country in the world to get work, bank accounts, benefits, even a passport or identification?
The ““mark” is specifically a “badge of servitude” based upon the Greek word Charagma and its use in scripture is evidence to show membership where you are required to “labor” without compensation which is the definition of “servitude”. The “beasts” in scripture use of force. There is nothing in the text to suggest that the “Mark of the Beast” prophesied will be a chip and certainly it was not a chip under Caligula, Claudius, nor Nero.
See the Mark of the Beast.

Comments
If beasts are governments is the beast out of the “Law of the Sea”? are the horns and crowns governments with authority and office? The leopard, bear, and with a mouth of a lion express the means by which it functions but its strength or power[1] is of the dragon. The word power[2] is not what we see in Romans 13.
Rome had a system of Corban like Herod and the Pharisees. Most countries started similar systems in the 1920s and 30s. The United States is structured much like Rome but FDR brought in his Great Society and with its Social Security established a Corvee making their citizens human resources and their children a surety for debt.
The beast comes OUT OF THE EARTH, rather than the sea. If these beasts are governments, it could be presumed that the difference between rising from the land, verses rising from the sea, could have to do with the “Law of the Land” rather than the “Law of the Sea.”
Questions


The First Beast

[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Worshipped the dragon

[4] And they worshipped[3] the dragon which gave power[2] unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power[2] was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

War against the separate

[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power[2] was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship[3] him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.

[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The Second Beast

[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[4]

Exercise power

[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Deceiveth

[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Life to a similtude

[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Receive a mark

[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark[5] in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Might buy or sell

[17] And that no man might[6] buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom

[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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  1. 1411 ~δύναμις~ dunamis \@doo’-nam-is\@ from 1410 meaning to be able; TDNT-2:284,186; {See TDNT 201} n f AV-power 77, mighty work 11, strength 7, miracle 7, might 4, virtue 3, mighty 2, misc 9; 120
    1) strength power, ability
    1a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
    1b) power for performing miracles
    1c) moral power and excellence of soul
    1d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
    1e) power and resources arising from numbers
    1f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts
    For Synonyms see entry 5820
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 1484 ~ἔθνος~ ethnos \@eth’-nos\@ probably from 1486; n n AV-Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
    1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
    1a) a company, troop, swarm
    2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
    2a) the human family
    3) a tribe, nation, people group
    4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
    5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "exousia" defined multiple times with different content Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "exousia" defined multiple times with different content Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "exousia" defined multiple times with different content
  3. 3.0 3.1 4352 ~προσκυνέω~ proskuneo \@pros-koo-neh’-o\@ from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); TDNT-6:758,948; {See TDNT 670} v AV-worship 60; 60
    1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
    2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
    3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
    3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
    3a1) to the Jewish high priests
    3a2) to God
    3a3) to Christ
    3a4) to heavenly beings
    3a5) to demons
    • In the Old Testament, the common word for worship is shachah. Study Aboda.
    • In the New Testament, the word for worship is proskuneo.
    • The word worshipper does not appear in the Old Testament except as a translation of abad which clearly means to serve.
  4. 1404 δράκων drakon [drak’-own] probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look, to see, see clearly, to watch, to live, to flash, gleam); n m; TDNT- 2:281,186; [{See TDNT 200 }] AV-dragon 13; 13
    1) a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan
    • From Latin draconem with the nominative draco meaning "huge serpent, dragon", from Ancient Greek drákōn with genitive being δράκοντος, drákontos a "serpent". A dragon is a reptile-like legendary creature that appears in the folklore of many cultures worldwide but vary considerably through time and location.
  5. Many Marks
    Ezekiel 9:4-5 “‭4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. ‭5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:”
    Revelation 13:15-17 “‭15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ‭16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: ‭17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
    Revelation 14:8-12 "8... she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. ‭9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, ‭10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: ‭11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the markof his name. ‭12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
    Revelation 15:1-4 “‭1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. ‭2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. ‭3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. ‭4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.”
    Revelation 16: “‭2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.”
    Revelation 19:20 “‭20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
    Revelation 20:4-5, “‭4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ‭5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”
    Philippians 3:13-18 “‭13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, ‭14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. ‭15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. ‭16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. ‭17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. ‭18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:” :
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