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| '''What is [[Mystery Babylon]]?'''and who are its [[priest]]s?<Br> What is the "city<Ref name="city">{{05892}}</Ref> and tower<Ref name="tower">{{04062}}</Ref>" of Babel we see in [[Genesis 11]] really all about?<Br> If we understand what [[Nimrod]] was doing will we then understand what [[Mystery Babylon]] means in [[Revelation 18]]?<Br>Was "city<Ref name="city">{{05892}}</Ref> and tower<Ref name="tower">{{04062}}</Ref>" like [[Babylon]] a civil [[Systems|system]] set up by men like [[Nimrod]], [[Caesar]], [[Herod]], and [[FDR]]?<Ref name="Pollack">"If we search out the origins of [[Roman Law]], we must study [[Babylon]]..."  Sir Frederic Pollack and Frederic William Maitland, The History of the English Law Before the Time of Edward I, page 561, Cambridge Univ. Press 1968.</Ref> What was the meaning of the phrase '''[[city of blood]]''' spoken of by Jeremiah<Ref>[[Jeremiah 26]]:15</Ref>, Ezekiel<Ref>[[Ezekiel 7]]:23, [[Ezekiel 9]]:9, [[Ezekiel 22]]:2-3 ,[[Ezekiel 24]]:6-9 </Ref>, Hosea<Ref>[[Hosea 6]]:8</Ref>, Nahum<Ref>[[Nahum 3]]:1</Ref>, Habakkuk<Ref>[[Habakkuk 2]]:8, 12,17</Ref>, and even Revelation.<Ref>[[Revelation 14]]:20</Ref>? <Br>The [[Babylon]]ian system was a "[[One purse]]" system based on the "[[covetous practices]]" of "[[legal charity]]" leading to [[socialism]] with [[Nimrod]]'s officers of his [[welfare state]] as the [[Benefactors]] of [[society]]. <Br>The way society "mingles" or "[[Entangled|entangles]]" itself in the "[[elements]]" of the "[[world]]" relates to [[the way]] the [[masses]] provide [[Social welfare]], which may [[degenerate]] them into [[perfect savages]] through becoming accustomed to the [[covetous practices]] of the [[world]]. [[Nimrod]]'s city and tower was to provide [[protection]] in the form of a "[[social security]]" system that would make the people [[merchandise]], returning them to the [[bondage of Egypt]].  
| '''What is [[Mystery Babylon]]?'''<Br>And who are its [[priest]]s?<Br> What is the "city<Ref name="city">{{05892}}</Ref> and tower<Ref name="tower">{{04062}}</Ref>" of Babel we see in [[Genesis 11]] really all about?<Br> If we understand what [[Nimrod]] was doing will we then understand what [[Mystery Babylon]] means in [[Revelation 18]]?<Br>Was "city<Ref name="city">{{05892}}</Ref> and tower<Ref name="tower">{{04062}}</Ref>" like [[Babylon]] a [[civil law]] [[Systems|system]] set up by men like [[Nimrod]], [[Caesar]], [[Herod]], and [[FDR]]?<Ref name="Pollack">"If we search out the origins of [[Roman Law]], we must study [[Babylon]]..."  Sir Frederic Pollack and Frederic William Maitland, The History of the English Law Before the Time of Edward I, page 561, Cambridge Univ. Press 1968.</Ref> What was the meaning of the phrase '''[[city of blood]]''' spoken of by Jeremiah<Ref>[[Jeremiah 26]]:15</Ref>, Ezekiel<Ref>[[Ezekiel 7]]:23, [[Ezekiel 9]]:9, [[Ezekiel 22]]:2-3 ,[[Ezekiel 24]]:6-9 </Ref>, Hosea<Ref>[[Hosea 6]]:8</Ref>, Nahum<Ref>[[Nahum 3]]:1</Ref>, Habakkuk<Ref>[[Habakkuk 2]]:8, 12,17</Ref>, and even Revelation.<Ref>[[Revelation 14]]:20</Ref>? <Br>The [[Babylon]]ian system was a "[[One purse]]" system based on the "[[covetous practices]]" of "[[legal charity]]" leading to [[socialism]] with [[Nimrod]]'s officers of his [[welfare state]] as the [[Benefactors]] of [[society]]. <Br>The way society "mingles" or "[[Entangled|entangles]]" itself in the "[[elements]]" of the "[[world]]" relates to [[the way]] the [[masses]] provide [[Social welfare]], which may [[degenerate]] them into [[perfect savages]] through becoming accustomed to the [[covetous practices]] of the [[world]]. [[Nimrod]]'s city and tower was to provide [[protection]] in the form of a "[[social security]]" system that would make the people [[merchandise]], returning them to the [[bondage of Egypt]].  
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|'''4V''' Why [[Elijah|Elias]]<Ref name="Helias">{{2243}}</Ref>  and [[Moses]]?<Br>What did they talk about?
|'''4V''' Why [[Elijah|Elias]]<Ref name="Helias">{{2243}}</Ref>  and [[Moses]]?<Br>What did they talk about?

Revision as of 15:42, 9 September 2024

The earliest written gospel material was anonymous but attributed to a man named Mark.
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What did Jesus mean by shall not taste[1] of death[2], till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.[3]
2V “In the council of the community there shall be twelve men and three priests.” Dead Sea Scrolls, Essene Community Rule (1QS) 8.1-4 [4]
What is Mystery Babylon?
And who are its priests?
What is the "city[5] and tower[6]" of Babel we see in Genesis 11 really all about?
If we understand what Nimrod was doing will we then understand what Mystery Babylon means in Revelation 18?
Was "city[5] and tower[6]" like Babylon a civil law system set up by men like Nimrod, Caesar, Herod, and FDR?[7] What was the meaning of the phrase city of blood spoken of by Jeremiah[8], Ezekiel[9], Hosea[10], Nahum[11], Habakkuk[12], and even Revelation.[13]?
The Babylonian system was a "One purse" system based on the "covetous practices" of "legal charity" leading to socialism with Nimrod's officers of his welfare state as the Benefactors of society.
The way society "mingles" or "entangles" itself in the "elements" of the "world" relates to the way the masses provide Social welfare, which may degenerate them into perfect savages through becoming accustomed to the covetous practices of the world. Nimrod's city and tower was to provide protection in the form of a "social security" system that would make the people merchandise, returning them to the bondage of Egypt.
4V Why Elias[14] and Moses?
What did they talk about?
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible states "the Syriac, Arabic, and Ethiopic versions read, "and we will make", &c. expressing not a petition, but a resolution; to which the Persic version premises, "if thou wilt give us commandment"; submitting it to the will of Christ:"
7V "a cloud"[15] from which a voice came out ...
Questions
35v Desire to be first is the desire to put yourself before others.[16]
Questions

Testing death

[1] And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death[2], till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.[3]

The Transfiguration

[2] And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.[17]

[3] And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

[4] And there appeared unto them Elias[14] with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

[5] And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

[6] For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

Voice from the cloud

[7] And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

[8] And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Rising from death

[9] And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

[10] And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

Elias first

[11] And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?

[12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

[13] But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Scribes question the multitude

[14] And when he came to his disciples, he saw a great multitude about them, and the scribes questioning with them.

[15] And straightway all the people, when they beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to him saluted him.

[16] And he asked[18] the scribes, What question[19] ye with them?

Jesus Heals a Boy

[17] And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

[18] And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

Faithless generation

[19] He answereth him, and saith, O faithless[20] generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

[20] And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

Asked father

[21] And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

[22] And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

[23] Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Help me with unbelief

[24] And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

[25] When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked[21]the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

[26] And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

[27] But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

Disciples asked privately

[28] And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?

[29] And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Moved secretly through Galilee

[30] And they departed thence, and passed through Galilee; and he would not that any man should know it.

Jesus Again Foretells Death, Resurrection

[31] For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

[32] But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Disputed along the way secretly

[33] And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?

[34] But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.

Precepts

[35] And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.[22]

[36] And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,

[37] Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

[38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.


Anyone Not Against Us Is for Us

[39] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

[40] For he that is not against us is on our part.

[41] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.


Temptations to Sin

[42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[49] For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

[50] Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

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  1. 1089 γεύομαι geuomai [ghyoo’-om-ahee] a root word; v; TDNT-1:675,116; [{See TDNT 154 }] AV-taste 12, eat 3; 15
    1) to taste, to try the flavour of
    2) to taste
    2a) i.e. perceive the flavour of, partake of, enjoy
    2b) to feel, make trial of, experience
    3) to take food, eat, to take nourishment, eat
  2. 2.0 2.1 2288 ~θάνατος~ thanatos \@than’-at-os\@ from 2348; TDNT-3:7,312; {See TDNT 299} n m AV-death 117, deadly 2; 119
    1) the death of the body
    1a) that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended
    1b) with the implied idea of future misery in hell
    1b1) the power of death
    1c) since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin
    2) metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name,
    2a) the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell
    3) the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell
    4) in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell
  3. 3.0 3.1 Taste of death
    Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
    Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
    Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
    John 8:52 "Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death."
    Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
  4. Three priests
    Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Mark 5:37 And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
    Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh [with him] Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
    Luke 8:51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
    Luke 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
    “In the council of the community there shall be twelve men and three priests.” Dead Sea Scrolls, Essene Community Rule (1QS) 8.1-4
  5. 5.0 5.1 05892 ^ריע^ ‘iyr \@eer\@ AyinYodReish or (in the plural) ^רע^ ‘ar \@awr\@ or ^ריע^ ‘ayar (#Jud 10:4) \@aw-yar’\@ a city (a place guarded by waking or a watch) in the widest sense (even of a mere encampment or post); from 05782 spelled AyinVavReish עוּר‎ ‘uwr [oor] a primitive root; n m; {See TWOT on 1587 @@ "1587a"} {See TWOT on 1615} AV-city 1074, town 7, every one 2, variant 6; 1089
    1) excitement, anguish
    1a) of terror
    2) city, town (a place of waking, guarded)
    2a) city, town
    • 05893 עִיר‎ ‘Iyr [eer] Ir= "belonging to a city"
    • 05894 עִיר‎ ‘iyr (Aramaic) [eer] -watcher
    • 05783 עוּר‎ to be exposed "Naked"... awake;
    • 05895 עַיִר‎ ‘ayir [ah’-yeer] he-ass, male ass
  6. 6.0 6.1 04026 מִגְדָּל‎ MemGimeDaletLamed migdal [mig-dawl’] also (in pl.) fem. מגדלה‎ migdalah [mig-daw-law’] from 01431, Greek 3093 Μαγδαλα; n m; [BDB-153b] [{See TWOT on 315 @@ "315f" }] [{See TWOT on 315 @@ "315g" }] AV-tower 47, castles 1, flowers 1, pulpit 1; 50
    1) tower
    1a) tower
    1b) elevated stage, pulpit
    1c) raised bed
  7. "If we search out the origins of Roman Law, we must study Babylon..." Sir Frederic Pollack and Frederic William Maitland, The History of the English Law Before the Time of Edward I, page 561, Cambridge Univ. Press 1968.
  8. Jeremiah 26:15
  9. Ezekiel 7:23, Ezekiel 9:9, Ezekiel 22:2-3 ,Ezekiel 24:6-9
  10. Hosea 6:8
  11. Nahum 3:1
  12. Habakkuk 2:8, 12,17
  13. Revelation 14:20
  14. 14.0 14.1 2243 Ἡλίας Helias [hay-lee’-as] of Hebrew origin 0452 AlefLamedYodHeyאֵלִיָּה‎ Elijah; n pr m; TDNT-2:928,306; [{ See TDNT 292 }] AV-Elias 30; 30
    1) a prophet born at Thisbe, the unflinching champion of the theocracy in the reigns of the idolatrous kings Ahab and Ahaziah. He was taken up to heaven without dying, whence the Jews expected he would return just before the advent of the Messiah, whom he would prepare the minds of the Israelites to receive.
  15. 3507 νεφέλη nephele [nef-el’-ay] from 3509; n f; TDNT-4:902,628; [{See TDNT 518 }] AV-cloud 26; 26
    1) a cloud
    1a) used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness
    For Synonyms see entry 5866
  16. Judge not
    Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
    Luke 6:37 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: [forgive], and ye shall be forgiven:"
    John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
    Isaiah 1:23 "Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them." See Pure Religion.
    John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge(2919) him not: for I came not to judge(2919) the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
  17. Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Mark 5:37 And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
    Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh [with him] Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
    Luke 8:51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
    Luke 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
  18. 1905 ἐπερωτάω eperotao [ep-er-o-tah’-o] from 1909 and 2065 erotao to question; v; TDNT-2:687,262; [{See TDNT 260 }] AV-ask 53, demand 2, desire 1, ask question 1, question 1, ask after 1; 59
    1) to accost one with an enquiry, put a question to, enquiry of, ask, interrogate
    2) to address one with a request or demand
    2a) to ask of or demand of one
  19. 4802 συζητέω suzeteo [sood-zay-teh’-o] from 4862 sun with and 2212 zeteo seek; v; TDNT-7:747,1099; [{See TDNT 758 }] AV-question with 2, question 2, question one with another 1, enquire 1, dispute with 1, dispute 1, reason together 1, reason 1; 10
    1) to seek or examine together
    2) in the NT to discuss, dispute, question
  20. 571 ἄπιστος apistos [ap’-is-tos] from 1 (as a negative particle) and 4103 pistos; adj; TDNT-6:174,849; [{See TDNT 634 }] AV-that believe not 6, unbelieving 5, faithless 4, unbeliever 4, infidel 2, thing incredible 1, which believe not 1; 23
    1) unfaithful, faithless, (not to be trusted, perfidious)
    2) incredible
    2a) of things
    3) unbelieving, incredulous
    3a) without trust (in God)
  21. 2008 ἐπιτιμάω epitimao [ep-ee-tee-mah’-o] from 1909 and 5091; v; TDNT-2:623,249; [{See TDNT 252 }] AV-rebuke 24, charge 4, straightly charge 1; 29
    1) to show honour to, to honour
    2) to raise the price of
    3) to adjudge, award, in the sense of merited penalty
    4) to tax with fault, rate, chide, rebuke, reprove, censure severely
    4a) to admonish or charge sharply
    • For Synonyms see entry 5884
  22. Heirs of service
    The hierarchy of the kingdom of God does not go up by steps nor exercise authority one over the other but come as he that serves:
    Matthew 20:27 "And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
    Matthew 23:9 "And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted."
    Luke 22:26 "But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth."
    Mark 9:35 "And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, [the same] shall be last of all, and servant of all."
    Galatians 5:13 "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."