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1 ¶  When therefore the Lord knew how the [[Pharisees]] had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
1 ¶  When therefore the Lord knew how the [[Pharisees]] had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John<Ref name="baptizednot">{{baptizednot}}</Ref>,


2  (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)<Ref name="baptizednot">{{baptizednot}}</Ref>  
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3  He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
3  He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
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22  Ye [[worship]] ye know not what: we know what we [[worship]]: for salvation is of the Jews.
22  Ye [[worship]] ye know not what: we know what we [[worship]]: for salvation is of the Jews.


23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall [[worship]] the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers<Ref name="worshipnt">{{Worshipnt}}</Ref> shall [[worship]]<Ref name="worshipnt">{{Worshipnt}}</Ref> the Father in spirit and in truth<Ref name="Spirittruth">{{Spirittruth}}</Ref>: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


24  God ''is'' a Spirit: and they that [[worship]] him must worship ''him'' in spirit and in truth.'''</Span>
24  God ''is'' a Spirit: and they that [[worship]]<Ref name="worshipnt">{{Worshipnt}}</Ref> him must worship ''him'' in spirit and in truth.'''</Span><Ref name="Spirittruth">{{Spirittruth}}</Ref>


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Latest revision as of 07:06, 6 October 2024

Painting of the beloved disciple. The Gospel of John is a uniquely written scripture from the Johannine society.
Comments
Jesus was not the same as John the Baptist by John's own words which we see in John 3:22-36 where it is written "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:"
John 3:22 we saw the terms Christ and increase[1] compared to the word decrease[2] describing John as a lower rank and not the Christ.
How does this Gospel of John relate to the whole Gospel of the kingdom? How do the gospels differ?[3]
Why did John the Baptist say he only baptized with water but then said someone else would baptized "with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"?[4]
Were other people also baptizing people with water and for what purpose?
John 4
Download Recording #7 John Chapter 4 or press play

Why were the number of Baptisms of such a concern to the Pharisees who sat in the seat of Moses?
In John 9 the parents of the blind man healed by Jesus were afraid[5] of the Jews.
They feared being put out of the synagogue because the Pharisees chose put out the follower of Christ.[6]
What did that mean? It meant put out of their system of Corban. What was that system and why did it make the word of God to none effect?
A generation befor Mark already explained this major conflict between the Rabbinacle baptism of the Pharisees and Herod and that Baptism John and of Jesus and His disciples in Mark 7.[7]
Every Christian knew what it could mean to get baptized since Pentecost and during the Christian conflict with Rome.
The Baptism of John the Baptist was revolutionarily opposed the baptism of Herod and the system of Corban of the Pharisees.
John the Baptist was baptizing people into a voluntary system of social welfare dependent upon fervent charity through the love of your neighbor instead of the covetous practices of the Corban of the Pharisees which had been making the word of God to none effect through the legal charity of the system of social welfare set up by Herod which was a snare.
Now the people of Samaria would choose to become a part of the Kingdom of God.
Jesus was to be priest and king and was evidently in agreement with Moses who came to set the captive free which is the meaning of Redemption.
V19 Where to worship?[8]
V24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."[9]
V30 What did it mean "Then they went out of the city, and came unto him"?
V45 What did it mean also, "went unto the feast"?


More baptized

1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John[10],

2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not[10], but his disciples,)

3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Jesus and the Woman of Samaria

4 ¶ And he must needs go through Samaria.

5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.

6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Living water

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

No husband

16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

Where to worship

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers[11] shall worship[11] the Father in spirit and in truth[9]: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship[11] him must worship him in spirit and in truth.[9]

Messiah revealed

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Disciples marvelled

27 ¶ And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

Came from the city

29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

Spiritual bread

31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.

33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.

38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.

Save the world

39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

41 And many more believed because of his own word;

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

On to Galilee

43 ¶ Now after two days he departed thence, and went into Galilee.

44 For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.

45 Then when he was come into Galilee, the Galilaeans received him, having seen all the things that he did at Jerusalem at the feast: for they also went unto the feast.

Jesus Heals an Official's Son

46 So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.

47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.

48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

49 The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die.

50 Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way.

51 And as he was now going down, his servants met him, and told him, saying, Thy son liveth.

52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.

53 So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.

54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.


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Footnotes

  1. 837. αυξανω auxano owx-an’-o; a prolonged form of a primary verb;
    1. to grow ("wax"), i.e. enlarge
    a. to cause to grow, augmentto increase, become greater to,
    grow, increase
    b. of plantsof infantsof a multitude of people
    • Not the same as Increase <4369> prostithemi seen in Luke 17:5
  2. 1642 ἐλαττόω elattoō el-at-to'-o Verb; from 1640 smaller (in size, quantity, age or quality): —  less, under, worse, younger.
    1. to make less or inferior: in dignityto be made less or inferior: in dignityto decrease in authority or popularity
    2. to lessen (in rank or influence): - decrease, make lower.
  3. The Gospel of Mark as earliest foundational source and relatively fast-paced was written primarily for Gentiles, while Matthew targeted Jews all over the world. Luke seem to have a more apologetic approach for diverse segments of many societies. The synoptic gospels were all intentional published record of the life of Jesus. The Gospel attributed to John was compiled as a book almost a generation later and therefore did not focus on those purposes already met by earlier records. It was written to the persecuted but faithful followers who were ofen plagued by detractors and deceivers. Whether to reveal or remind all of the simplicity of this gospel of love and sacrifice which leads to The Way of life, liberty, and the miracles of faith. Unfortunately, these inspired dialogue of the Gospel of the kingdom would eventually be abused by many in the church of Constantine to fuel theological debates and heresies that would bring an apostasy of division from the Holy Spirit through teaching another commandments after the doctrines of men entangling the people again in the rudiments of the world.
  4. Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
  5. 5399 φοβέω phobeo [fob-eh’-o] from 5401 n fear, dread, terror; v; TDNT-9:189,1272; [{See TDNT 833 }] AV-fear 62, be afraid 23, be afraid of 5, reverence 1, misc 2; 93
    1) to put to flight by terrifying (to scare away)
    1a) to put to flight, to flee
    1b) to fear, be afraid
    1b1) to be struck with fear, to be seized with alarm
    1b1a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences
    1b1b) of those struck with amazement
    1b2) to fear, be afraid of one
    1b3) to fear (i.e. hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm)
    1c) to reverence, venerate, to treat with deference or reverential obedience
    • For Synonyms see entry 5841
  6. “‭22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. ‭23 Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.” John 9:22-23
  7. “‭9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. ‭10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: ‭11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. ‭12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;” Mark 7:9-12
  8. Worship service
    Exodus 33:10 "And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door."
    Numbers 7:5 "Take it of them, that they may be to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; and thou shalt give them unto the Levites, to every man according to his service."
    Numbers 18:21 "And, behold, I have the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation."
    Leviticus 1:3 "If his offering<07133 quarbanow קָרְבָּנוֹ֙> [be] a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will <07522> at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD."
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 Spirit and Truth
    Psalms 31:5 "Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth."
    John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."
    John 4:24 "God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth."
    John 14:17 "[Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
    John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"
    John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
    Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
    Ephesians 5:9 "(For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)"
    2 Thessalonians 2:13 "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
    1 Peter 1:22 "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:"
    1 John 4:6 "We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."
    1 John 5:6 "This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."
  10. 10.0 10.1 Baptize not
    John 4:1 "When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples)"
    Luke 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise." (John the Baptist's teachings, who was the son of Zacharias, opposed covetous practices of the baptism of Herod and the Corban of the Pharisees. Baptism" was as much political as religious.)
    Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:" (Jesus washed the feet of his little flock like we see with Moses and the seventy in Numbers 11:16 and 17,sending the Holy Spirit if God.)
    1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." Even Paul was not called to baptize
    1 Corinthians 3:4 "For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase."
    1 Corinthians 3:22 "Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;"
    1 Corinthians 4:6 "And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and [to] Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." (Paul warns against becoming a respecter of persons and denominations.)
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 Worship or not
    2 Kings 10:19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice [to do] to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did [it] in subtilty, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers<05647 serve > of Baal. 20 And Jehu said, Proclaim a solemn assembly<06116 > for Baal. And they proclaimed [it].21 And Jehu sent through all Israel: and all the worshippers<05647 serve > of Baal came, so that there was not a man left that came not. And they came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal was full from one end to another. 22 And he said unto him that [was] over the vestry, Bring forth vestments for all the worshippers<05647 serve > of Baal. And he brought them forth vestments. 23 And Jehu went, and Jehonadab the son of Rechab, into the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers<05647 serve > of Baal, Search, and look that there be here with you none of the servants of the LORD, but the worshippers<05647 serve > of Baal only.
    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true(228 alethinos) worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship(4353 proskunetes) him.
    John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
    Acts 19:35 And when the townclerk(1122 grammateus) had appeased the people, he said, [Ye] men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper<3511 serves temple> of the great goddess Diana, and of the [image] which fell down from Jupiter?
    Hebrews 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.