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| : The people of the world are debtors and placed their children in debt again. This is the fruits of the spirit of debt that they are seduced by. They are not led by the spirit of God but by the spirit of bondage for as they judge to bind their neighbor, they also are bound. V14 As many as are led by the [[Holy Spirit|Spirit of God]] which is the [[Comforter]], '''they are the sons of God'''. but they are not, but are sons of the "[[fathers]]" on earth who they have chosen for themselves. | | : The people of the world are debtors and placed their children in debt again. <br>V6 The '''carnally minded is death'''<Ref name="Careless">{{Careless}}</Ref><br>This is the fruits of the spirit of debt that they are seduced by.<br> They are not led by the spirit of God but by the spirit of [[bondage]] for as they judge to bind their neighbor, they also are bound.<br> V14 '''As many as are led by the [[Holy Spirit|Spirit of God]] which is the [[Comforter]],''' '''they are the sons of God'''. but they are not, but are sons of the "[[fathers]]" on earth who they have chosen for themselves. | ||
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: While there is "no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" but they include only those who walk " after the Spirit." in order to fulfill "the righteousness of the law". | : While there is "no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" but they include only those who walk " after the Spirit." in order to fulfill "the righteousness of the law". | ||
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| [[Luke 4]]:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, | | [[Luke 4]]:33 And in the [[synagogue]] there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, | ||
: [[John 14]]:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. | : [[John 14]]:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. | ||
: [[John 15]]:26 "But when the [[Comforter]] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" | : [[John 15]]:26 "But when the [[Comforter]] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" | ||
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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. | 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. | ||
10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. | 10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of [[righteousness]]. | ||
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. | 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. | ||
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. | 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. | ||
: ''We should live after the spirit because the spirit giveth life and the flesh that liveth of the spirit shall not die as Christ lived and ate and drank amongst us in the kingdom. Our deeds are always in the [[flesh]] but not always of the flesh. Because the spirit of God is not in them nor do they live by that spirit but by the flesh they are again debtors of the flesh and in the flesh.'' | : ''We should live after the spirit because the spirit giveth life and the flesh that liveth of the spirit shall not die as Christ lived and ate and drank amongst us in the kingdom. Our deeds are always in the [[flesh]] but not always of the flesh. Because the spirit of God is not in them nor do they live by that spirit but by the flesh they are again debtors of the flesh and in the flesh.'' | ||
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. | 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. | ||
== Heirs with Christ == | == Heirs with Christ == | ||
14 For as many as are led by the [[Holy Spirit|Spirit of God]], they are the sons of God. | 14 For as many as are led by the [[Holy Spirit|Spirit of God]], they are the sons of God. | ||
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.<Ref name="fatherruler">{{fatherruler}}</Ref> | 15 For ye have not received the spirit of [[bondage]] again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, [[Father]].<Ref name="fatherruler">{{fatherruler}}</Ref> | ||
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: | 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: | ||
: ''And they would not be following the flesh nor debtors of the flesh if they were sons of God.'' | : ''And they would not be following the flesh nor debtors of the flesh if they were sons of God.'' | ||
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20 For the [[Creature|creature]] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in [[hope]], | 20 For the [[Creature|creature]] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in [[hope]], | ||
21 Because the [[Creature|creature]] itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. | 21 Because the [[Creature|creature]] itself also shall be delivered from the [[bondage]] of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. | ||
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. | 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. | ||
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28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that [[love]] God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. | 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that [[love]] God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. | ||
29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did [[Predestination|predestinate]] to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. | 29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did [[Predestination|predestinate]] to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the [[firstborn]] among many brethren. | ||
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, | 30 Moreover whom he did [[Predestination|predestinate]], them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. | ||
== God's Everlasting Love == | == God's Everlasting Love == | ||
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34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. | 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. | ||
35 Who shall separate us from the [[love]] of [[Christ]]? shall tribulation, or distress, or [[persecution]], or famine, or [[naked|nakedness]], or peril, or sword? | 35 Who shall [[separate]] us from the [[love]] of [[Christ]]? shall tribulation, or distress, or [[persecution]], or famine, or [[naked|nakedness]], or peril, or sword? | ||
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. | 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. | ||
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| : The people of the world are debtors and placed their children in debt again. V6 The carnally minded is death[1] This is the fruits of the spirit of debt that they are seduced by. They are not led by the spirit of God but by the spirit of bondage for as they judge to bind their neighbor, they also are bound. V14 As many as are led by the Spirit of God which is the Comforter, they are the sons of God. but they are not, but are sons of the "fathers" on earth who they have chosen for themselves.
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Luke 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
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God does not want us in bondage to other men no matter how comfortable that bondage may be for it binds us to things of the flesh rather than the things of the spirit. In that bondage we cannot see the things of the spirit nor receive the fruits of the gifts of the spirit.
Matthew 15:8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me."
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Calvin, Predestination
Darwin
Charles Robert Darwin, The Descent of Man, Great Minds Edition, 123
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Life in the Spirit
1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death[1]; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
- We should live after the spirit because the spirit giveth life and the flesh that liveth of the spirit shall not die as Christ lived and ate and drank amongst us in the kingdom. Our deeds are always in the flesh but not always of the flesh. Because the spirit of God is not in them nor do they live by that spirit but by the flesh they are again debtors of the flesh and in the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Heirs with Christ
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.[2]
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
- And they would not be following the flesh nor debtors of the flesh if they were sons of God.
17 ¶ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Future Glory
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan[3] within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
God's Everlasting Love
31 ¶ What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Salvation in Christ
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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- ↑ 1.0 1.1 Care not
- Genesis 19:14 "And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law."
- Psalms 106:25 "But murmured in their tents, [and] hearkened not unto the voice of the LORD."
- Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction... 24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; 25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:"
- Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come."
- Luke 14:18 "And they all with one [consent] began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused... the master of the house being angry... Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel [them] to come in, that my house may be filled... none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded... in the day when the Son of man... Remember Lot’s wife."
- 1 Timothy 6:9 "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
- Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace."
- 2 Timothy 3:1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,"
- John 10:13 "The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth <3199|melo> not for the sheep."
- Luke 10:34 The Good Samaritan, "And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him."
- 1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the prideboaster of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."
- 2 Peter 1:12 "Wherefore I will not be negligent <272|amelo> to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth. 13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting [you] in remembrance;"
- 1 Corinthians 12:25 "That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ..."
- ↑ Fathers of the earth
- Matthew 23:9 "And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
- Matthew 6:8 "Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
- Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
- Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
- John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
- Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
- 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
- 1 John 3:1 ¶ "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."
- The Fathers of the earth assume the natural role of the father of the family. Like the Conscripti Patri or the Patronus of Rome who become the benefactors of the masses offering them benefits and dainties from their civil tables of social welfare which are not only a snare, but destroy liberty, making the people merchandise. The Church established by Jesus would seek to have a daily ministration of Pure Religion through fervent charity.
- ↑ He sighed
- Mark 7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed <4727>, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.
- Romans 8:23 "And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan <4727> within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body."
- 2 Corinthians 5:2 "For in this we groan <4727>, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan <4727>, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."
- Hebrews 13:17 "Obey (persuade) them that have the rule (count) over you, and submit yourselves(ressit no longer): for they watch for your souls(breath), as they that must give account(Logos), that they may do it with joy, and not with grief <4727>: for that [is] unprofitable for you."
- James 5:9 "Grudge <4727> not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. (swear not)"