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[[image:Jesusrich.jpg|400px|right|thumb|Many scholars suggest that the family of Jesus was actually wealthy. Both Joseph and Mary were descendants from the Royal House of David and a wealthy family.  [[Joseph of Arimathea]] Jesus' Great uncle on his mother's side was the ''Minister of Mines'' of the Roman Empire and one of the richest men in the Empire. If his family was wealthy, where did we get the idea that he was poor and who has continued to passionately promote that idea and why?
Many scholars suggest that the family of Jesus was very wealthy. Both Joseph and Mary were descendents from the Royal House of David. If his family was wealthy where did we get the idea that he was poor and who has continued to promote that idea and why?
https://fee.org/articles/was-jesus-a-friend-to-big-business/ Was he a friend of big business]?]]


== Rich Relations ==
== Rich Relations ==


Jesus appears to have known some wealthy people. The wedding at Canaan does not appear to be a poor family's wedding and there is evidence Jesus knew many rich as well as influential people.  
Jesus appears to have known some very wealthy people. The wedding at Cana does not appear to be a poor family's wedding and there is evidence Jesus knew many other rich as well as influential people.  


Mary's uncle was Joseph of Arimathea, who was the "nobilis decurio" of the Roman Empire, among other titles, as stated by Jerome and earlier sources. As nobilis decurio, Joseph of Arimathea was charged with overseeing the mining operations of the Roman Empire.
{{Joseph of Arimathea}}


Furthermore, the Greek word used for the occupation of Joseph, the father of Jesus, more likely should be translated as an ''architect'' or at the very least a ''skilled craftsman'' like an engineer rather than a carpenter  or worker with wood.
Not only did he know [[Joseph of Arimathea]] but according to the "histories of the twelve tribes of Israel it is written" Mary's mother Anna and father ''Ioacim'', were "exceeding rich" as stated in the [[Gospel of James]] Chapter 1.<Ref>Chapter I. 1. In the histories of the twelve tribes of Israel it is written that there was '''one Ioacim, exceeding rich''': and he offered his gifts twofold, saying: That which is of my superfluity shall be for the whole people, and that which is for my forgiveness shall be for the Lord, for a propitiation unto me.</Ref>


So we are to believe that Mary's uncle could never push any work Joseph's way?
== Occupation wood or stone ==
Not very Jewish?


His birth was in Bethlehem where there was no room at the inn. Poor people would not even go to the Inn. So they were in a place where there was live stock that was underground. Only rich people would have a cave or barn for their animals and they would have lived right in with their animals. Large homes would often keep animals on the first floor but not the poor.  
Furthermore, the Greek word tektón used for the occupation of Joseph, the father of Jesus, more likely should be translated as an ''architect'' or at the very least a ''skilled craftsman'' like an engineer rather than a mere carpenter or worker with wood or stone masonry.<Ref> Markus Bockmuehl (8 November 2001). The Cambridge Companion to Jesus. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-79678-1. Retrieved 17 November 2012.</Ref>
 
So, are we to believe that Mary's uncle could never push any work Joseph's way?
 
Was the word ''tektón'' more than a craftsman in wood or stone?
 
Joseph appears to be a Master stone mason, who worked in Egypt and Caesarea, etc. Joseph appears to have had older sons by a previous marriage.  He was not poor. Jesus may have worked with him at times but appears to have spent time with his uncle traveling. He was the rightful king of Judea and Parthia by birth.
 
 
Some suggest that ''tektón'' was used in place of the Aramaic term naggara (or the Hebrew naggar נגר).
 
According to Geza Vermes suggested in 1983  the term ''naggar'' used in the Talmud can mean a "very learned man". This could indicate that Joseph was considered "wise and literate" in the Torah and in his craft.<Ref>Jesus the Jew: a historian's reading of the Gospels by Jeza Vermes 1983 ISBN 0961614846 page 21 Jesus the Jew: a historian's reading of the Gospels - Pages 21-22</Ref>
 
* "The term (''tektón'') translated into English as 'carpenter' represents the much wider sense of the ancient Greek, ''ho tekton'', which is a rendition of the Semitic word naggar.5 As pointed out by the Semitic scholar Dr. Geza Vermes, this descriptive word [naggar] could perhaps be applied to a trade craftsman, but could equally well define a scholar."<Ref>A.N. Wilson." Jesus". Random House UK. Page 29:</Ref>
 
Some assuming Joseph was a poor carpenter and Jesus as the oldest son would have to learn that trade but their is no evidence that Jesus was the oldest son. Joseph is believed to have other sons by a previous marriage as stated also in the [[Gospel of James]]. We know there are [[brethren]] mentioned in the gospel but their age is not clear for they could be the result of Joseph's and Mary's union as husband and wife.
 
A great deal of what we think the '''Bible''' is saying is the result of preconceived view put into or placed upon the text or teachings about the text that are not really the result of the text but rather private interpretation of scholar which come in all shapes and sizes.
 
== Born Poor ==
 
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Jesus was born to be King but that was a dangerous job considering all the different [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/TKC/TKCg7-1Factions.php factions] seeking power. His birth was in Bethlehem where there was no room at the inn. Poor people would not even go to the Inn. So, they were in a place where there was livestock that was underground or somewhere sheltered.  
 
Only rich people would own a cave or barn for their animals and they would have lived right in with their animals in those days. Large homes would often keep animals on the first floor but not the poor.  


The poor would be lucky to have something as nice as a lean-to like people see under Christmas trees.
The poor would be lucky to have something as nice as a lean-to like people see under Christmas trees.


The word for ''manger'' did not mean it was for feeding animals but was something built like a chest, box or cradle.
The Greek word ''phatn''<Ref>{{5336}}</Ref> is defined as a " a crib, a manger" and appear four times<Ref>[[Luke 2]]:7  And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger <[[5336]]>; because there was no room for them in the inn.
: [[Luke 2]]:12  And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger <[[5336]]>.
: Luke 2:16  And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger <5336>.
: [[Luke 13]]:15  The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall <[[5336]]>, and lead him away to watering?</Ref> in the [[Bible]] and only in Luke but it is not always translated ''manger'' but also crib.
 
Plato used the term in relationship to the [[soul]] and the creation of the human body.
 
* "The part of the [[soul]] that has [[appetite]]s for food and drink (τὸ... σίτων τε καὶ ποτῶν ἐπιθυµητικὸν τῆς ψυχῆς) and whatever else it feels a need for, given the body’s nature, they settled in the area between the midriff (φρήν) and the boundary toward the navel (πρὸς τὸν ὀµφαλόν). In the whole of this region, they constructed something '''like a trough (φάτνη)''' for the body’s nourishment." 9 Plato,  Timaeus. 69c-d, 70a
 
* "Philo even invoked Plato’s imagery of the belly as ‘a manger’ (φάτνη) from which ‘the irrational animal’ (ἄλογος θρέµµα) of desire eats." <Ref>Philo, Spec. 1.148-50. 47 Ibid., 1.148; Plato, Tim. 70e. Note that Plato in this passage described the appetitive animal as ‘wild’ (ὡς θρέµµα ἄγριον) rather than ‘irrational’ (ἄλογος) as in Philo’s case.</Ref> ''Platonic and Stoic Passions in Philo of Alexandria'' Loren Kerns, George Fox University.
 
The fact is the term ''phatn'' can refer to any kind of container. The word for ''manger'' did not have to mean it was for feeding animals but was something built like a chest, box, cradle or crib in which to lay the child.


== Made Himself Poor ==
== Made Himself Poor ==


It has become popular to believe Jesus was poor. It certainly makes the poor feel better. Some how being poor is suppose to make you humble. ''Would it destroy some vast eternal plan if he were a wealthy man?'' Or would it give us a deeper insight into exactly where he was trying to take us.
[[File:richp.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Do these men who were poor but made themselves rich claiming to preach the [[Jesus]] who "though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor"?<Ref>[[2 Corinthians 8]]:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.</Ref> Are they doing what the [[early Church]] did? Where is their [[Daily ministration]]? Are they teaching what the [[Christian conflict]] was or what the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] was and how it made the word of God to none effect? Are they tickling the ears of the [[Modern Christians]] who have become [[workers of iniquity]]? "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own [[Divers lusts|lusts]] shall they heap to themselves teachers, having [[itching ears]];" [[2 Timothy 4]]:3]]
 
It has become popular to believe Jesus was poor. It certainly makes the poor feel better. Some how being poor is suppose to make you humble. ''Would it destroy some vast eternal plan if he were a wealthy man?'' If we knew [[Was_Jesus_rich|Jesus was rich]] but ''"made himself poor"''<Ref>[[2 Corinthians 8]]:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.</Ref> according to the purpose of God would it give us a deeper insight into exactly where Jesus was trying to take us and the ministers of [[His Church]].


What if we take this following statement literally?...
What if we take this following statement literally?...
   
   
* 2 Corinthians 8:9 ''For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.''
* [[2 Corinthians 8]]:9 ''For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.''


That is a pretty direct statement that he was rich but decided to give up his wealthy estate. People are ready to discount this as a metaphor that means he was rich in heaven but came down here to be poor.   
That is a pretty direct statement that he was rich but decided to give up his wealthy estate. People are ready to discount this as a metaphor that means he was rich in heaven but came down here to be poor.   
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Then there is:
Then there is:


* Luke 1:53 ''He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.''
* [[Luke 1]]:53 ''He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.''


Does this mean he lived rich—or like a rich man—but gave up his wealth as it appears to be said in 2 Corinthians?
Does this mean he lived rich - or like a rich man - but gave up his wealth as it appears to be said in 2 Corinthians?


How many ministers want to hear that they need to give up their wealth?
How many ministers want to hear that they need to give up their wealth?


Jesus was clearly telling that to his disciples who are seeking to be ministers.  
Jesus was clearly telling that to his disciples who were seeking to be ministers.  
 
* [[Luke 14]]:33 ''So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.''
 
The word "hath" there means ''possessions, goods, wealth, property''.<Ref> [[5224]] ~ὑπάρχοντα~ huparchonta \@hoop-ar’-khon-tah\@ neuter plural of present participle active of 5225 as noun; ; v participle AV-goods 7, that (one) has 4, things which (one) possesses 2, substance 1; 14 1) possessions, goods, wealth, property</Ref> Jesus was adamant about this giving up of property as an inheritance for his ministers.
 
This was repeated over and over for those who wanted to be of greater service and we see men like Joses who became Barnabas<Ref>[[Acts 4]]:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus,</Ref> doing likewise and Ananias failing to do so and dropping dead.<Ref>[[Acts 5]]:1 ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,</Ref>
 
This was the same thing that [[Moses]] required of the [[Levites]] but modern ministers do not want to hear that either. The [[Levites]] actually supplied a system of [[Welfare|social welfare]] by way of their [[Altars]] which provided a [[Daily ministration]] through the [[Freewill offerings]] which were called [[Corban]] as a part of their exercise of [[Pure Religion]]. But the [[Levites]] had no personal estate, they belonged to God.<Ref>[[Numbers 3]]:12  And I, behold, I have taken the [[Levites]] from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;
: [[Numbers 3]]:45  Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the children of Israel, and the cattle of the Levites instead of their cattle; and the Levites shall be mine: I am the LORD.
: [[Numbers 8]]:14  Thus shalt thou separate the [[Levites]] from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine.</Ref>


* Luke 14:33 ''So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.''
== Why poor preachers? ==


The word "hath" there means ''possessions, goods, wealth, property''. Jesus was adamant about this giving up of property as an inheritance for his ministers.


This was repeated over and over for those who wanted to be of greater service and we see men like Joses who became Barnabas doing likewise and Ananias failing to do so.
[[image:Jesusrichboom.jpg|250px|right|thumb|[[2 Timothy 4]]:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, [[Congregations of Rebuke|rebuke]], exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own [[Divers lusts|lusts]] shall they heap to themselves teachers, having [[itching ears]]; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto [[3454|fables]]."]]


This was the same thing that Moses required of the Levites but  modern ministers do not want to hear it. Why?
* Why did Jesus give up His wealth?
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* Why did he require his disciples to [[Vow of poverty|give up their personal estates]]?
Is it because they are living the good life tickling the ears of the people who think they are following Christ but are also under a strong delusion.
* Why had God through [[Moses]] require the Levites to do the same?
* Was it because the [[early Church]] had a job to do that the [[modern Church]] is failing to do?
* Why have these [[modern Christians]] look to the [[Benefactors|benefaction]] of the [[Fathers]] of the earth?
* Is it because these are living the good life tickling the ears of the people who think they are following Christ but are also under a [[strong delusion]]?


Christs warns the wealthy that it is not easy getting into the kingdom and wealthy ministers seem to imagine they are immune to this directive of Christ.
Christ warns the wealthy that it is not easy for them to get into the kingdom and wealthy ministers seem to imagine they are immune to this directive of Christ.


Even when Jesus said ''Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head'' (Matthew 8:20) does not contradict the idea that he was rich but gave that up.  
Even when Jesus said ''Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head'' (Matthew 8:20) does not contradict the idea that he was rich but gave that wealth up.  


I also wonder if his reference to foxes is not related to to Luke 13:32:  
I have wondered if his reference to foxes is not related to to Luke 13:32:  
* ''And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected.''
* ''And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected.''


That fox, Herod Antipas, had his den, his throne but the son of man came as a servant and gave all to serve all and would soon be hailed as the highest son of David and the rightful heir of his throne.
That fox, [[Herod Antipas]], had his den, his throne but the son of man came as a servant and gave all to serve all and would soon be hailed as the ''highest son of David'' and the rightful heir of his throne.
 
But again, Jesus would choose to stay in the Garden of Gethsemane rather than in some million-dollar mansion.
 
It is no sin to be wealthy but it may be an opportunity to sin. But a true minister of Christ should not.<Ref> [[Luke 14]]:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.</Ref> He made many other statements about giving up your personal wealth or estate<Ref>[[Mark 8]]:33  But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
: Luke 6:40  The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
: Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
: Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people [unto him] with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
: Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
: Matthew 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
: Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
: Luke 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:27    And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28  For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29  Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30  Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31  Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32  Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33  So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
</Ref> under his personal ''philosophical carpet''.
 
Wealth is power and too much wealth corrupts. It is sometimes best to give as much of it away as possible or at least as practical.


But again Jesus would choose to stay in the Garden of Gethsemane than in some 10 million dollar mansion.
* "I know not why any one but a schoolboy in his declamation should whine over the Commonwealth of Rome, which grew great only by the misery of the rest of mankind. The Romans, like others, as soon as they grew rich, grew corrupt; and in their corruption sold the lives and freedoms of themselves, and of one another." ― [[Samuel Johnson]]


It is no sin to be wealthy but it may be an opportunity to sin.
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Wealth is power and to much wealth corrupts. It is some times best to give as much of it away as possible or at least as practical.


* “I know not why any one but a schoolboy in his declamation should whine over the Commonwealth of Rome, which grew great only by the misery of the rest of mankind. The Romans, like others, as soon as they grew rich, grew corrupt; and in their corruption sold the lives and freedoms of themselves, and of one another.”
― Samuel Johnson


== Doing the Christ thing ==
== Doing the Christ thing ==
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Who is with Christ and wishes to follow his instructions?
Who is with Christ and wishes to follow his instructions?
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* John 8:31 ''Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;''
* John 8:31 ''Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;''


So who is doing what Jesus said to do?<br>
So, who is doing what Jesus said to do?<br>
And who is telling you that it is not important to do what he said as long as you believe he is God?
And who is telling you that it is not important to do what he said as long as you believe He is God?


Who supported Jesus' ministry?
Who supported Jesus' ministry?


Everybody had to help support and when they organized into congregations of ten—as we see throughout Christianity for centuries—what was given was called tithe because it came from ten elders.
Everybody had to help support and when they organized into congregations of [[Tens|ten]]—as we see throughout Christianity for centuries—what was given was called [[Tithingman|tithe]] because it came from ten elders.


We know prominent people also supported his ministry which was caring for the needy through a network of ministers.
We know prominent people also supported his ministry which was caring for the needy through a network of ministers.
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This of course needs to become our answer.
This of course needs to become our answer.


Often our own motivation is clouded because while we may seek the truth we may not have found it entirely. We may need to see some of our selfish motivations.
Often our own motivation is clouded because while we may seek the truth, we may not have found it entirely. We may need to see some of our selfish motivations.


One reason I pursued this topic is to challenge us to think beyond what we were taught, to see how our own image of the truth can be affected by what we accept early in our personal learning process.
One reason I pursued this topic is to challenge us to think beyond what we were taught, to see how our own image of the truth can be affected by what we accept early in our personal learning process.
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And it would be easy to accept the idea he was rich and gave up his wealth for a life of service.
And it would be easy to accept the idea he was rich and gave up his wealth for a life of service.


The only real problem would be the fact that Mary supposedly sacrificed turtledoves and pigeons in Luke 2:24
The only real problem would be the fact that Mary supposedly sacrificed turtledoves and pigeons in Luke 2:24<Ref>[[Luke 2]]:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.</Ref> These are supposed to be the offerings for people who cannot afford a lamb or cannot bring one.
<Ref>Luke 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.</Ref> These are supposed to be the offerings for people who cannot afford a lamb or cannot bring one.


But since we know there was a large religious group at the time which had many ideas and teaching that paralleled what Jesus taught and they did not participate in the animal sacrifice of the Pharisees though they read the same Torah then we should ask ourselves did the original text mean that Mary brought turtledoves and pigeons to be slaughtered?
But since we know there was a large religious group at the time which had many ideas and teaching that paralleled what Jesus taught and they did not participate in the animal sacrifice of the Pharisees though they read the same Torah then we should ask ourselves did the original text mean that Mary brought turtledoves and pigeons to be slaughtered?
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Have we been deceived and misguided by ministers who crept in and taught us damnable heresies?
Have we been deceived and misguided by ministers who crept in and taught us damnable heresies?


And when someone comes and tells us the truth we immediately imagine him to be a lunatic and a fool?
And when someone comes and tells us the truth, do we immediately imagine him to be a lunatic and a fool?


To realize that faith in God and His ways means to care for one another by charity and not coveting your neighbors goods for your personal benefit or gain. And then their are the ministers who have become rich preaching a do nothing Gospel of false belief that has brought the whole world back into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog4eve.php bondage of Egypt] where it is worse than it was then.
To realize that faith in God and His ways means to care for one another by charity and not coveting your neighbors' goods for your personal benefit or gain. And then there are the ministers who have become rich preaching a do-nothing Gospel of false belief that has brought the whole world back into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog4eve.php bondage of Egypt] where it is worse than it was then.


* Mark 12:33 "And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
* Mark 12:33 "And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the [[soul]], and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."


== Turtledoves and Estates ==
== Turtledoves and Estates ==


Is a turtledove a bird or a turtle or is it part of your personal estate?
Is a turtledove a bird or a turtle or is it part of your personal estate?
* Luke 2:24 ''And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.''
* [[Luke 2]]:24 ''And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.''
   
   
Some believe that the offering of birds reveals that they must have been poor.
Some believe that the offering of birds reveals that they must have been poor.


Many believe that John the Baptist was an Essene and Jesus was to come after him as his successor.
Many believe that [[Baptism|John the Baptist]] was an [[Essenes|Essene]] and Jesus was to come after him as his successor.


For centuries, both ancient writers and modern scholars read reports about the Essenes from writers such as Josephus, Philo, Pliny, Porphyry, and Jerome — the “classical sources” on the Essenes.   
For centuries, both ancient writers and modern scholars read reports about the Essenes from writers such as Josephus, Philo, Pliny, Porphyry, and Jerome — the “classical sources” on the Essenes.   


Philo suggests that they were a pacifist group while others carried swords and even trained but were counted as being willing to take a personal blow without retaliation.  He also describes the group in a way that suggests Pythagoreanism because pf their rejection of taking oaths, and the keeping of slaves.  
Philo suggests that they were a pacifist group while others carried swords and even trained but were counted as being willing to take a personal blow without retaliation.  He also describes the group in a way that suggests Pythagoreanism because of their rejection of taking oaths, and the keeping of slaves.  


Philo claims that the Essenes abstained from ''animal sacrifices'' altogether.  
Philo claims that the [[Essenes]] abstained from ''animal sacrifices'' altogether.  


Josephus agrees with Philo on most of these points. Josephus reports that, because of their unique views, they were excluded from the temple courts and their system of Corban [sacrifice]. For this reason they had their own system of ''sacrifice'' based on charity as we see John and Jesus preaching and preaching against the Pharisee's system of Corban that made the word of God to non effect.
Josephus agrees with Philo on most of these points. Josephus reports that, because of their unique views, they were excluded from the temple courts and their system of Corban [sacrifice]. For this reason they had their own system of ''sacrifice'' based on charity as we see John and Jesus preaching and preaching against the Pharisee's system of Corban that made the word of God to non effect.


We see the teachings of we call the Essenes in the gospel yet the modern Church barely addresses them and modern preachers though they sometimes start poor they often make themselves rich. Why shouldn't they? Almost everything else they do is contrary to what Christ said.
We see the teachings of those we call the Essenes in the gospel yet the modern Church barely addresses them and modern preachers, though they sometimes start poor, often make themselves rich. Why shouldn't they? Almost everything else they do is contrary to what Christ said.


So if they rejected animal sacrifice because they believed that the pharisees had mistranslated the Torah and distorted the message of Moses, something Jesus also projected about them, then maybe Mary and Joseph did not follow their interpretation of Leviticus 12:6 ''And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:''
So if the [[Essenes]] rejected animal sacrifice because they believed that the Pharisees had mistranslated the Torah and distorted the message of Moses, something Jesus also projected about them, then maybe Mary and Joseph did not follow their interpretation of Leviticus 12:6 ''And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:''


== Young Pigeons ==
== Young Pigeons ==


Remember that the letters of words in Hebrew mean something and they are put together to define the word itself. Many words in Hebrew have more than one meaning. They often have an abstract meaning and a physical counter part. We talk about this in the pamphlet [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/sacrifice.php Adventures of Artifice in Languageland]
Remember that the letters of words in Hebrew mean something and they are put together to define the word itself. Many words in Hebrew have more than one meaning. They often have an abstract meaning and a physical counterpart. We talk about this in the pamphlet [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/sacrifice.php Adventures of Artifice in Languageland]
The sophistry of words has deceived man and led him from God.
The [[Sophistry|sophistry]] of words has deceived man and led him from God.
Sacrifice was meant to bring us closer to Him again.
Sacrifice was meant to bring us closer to Him again.
Where has the sophistry of our sacrifice led us?
Where has the [[Sophistry|sophistry]] of our sacrifice led us?




The first mention of "young Pigeons" in the Bible is Genesis 15:9  
The first mention of "young Pigeons" in the [[Bible]] is Genesis 15:9  
* "And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon."
* "And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon."


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* "And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD [be] of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons." Leviticus 1:14  
* "And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD [be] of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons." Leviticus 1:14  


What we see as ''young'' is the Hebrew word ''ben''<Ref>01121 ןב ben from 01129 meaning to build; n m; It is commonly translated son or children over 4000 times meaning a "son, grandson, child, member of a group". It could mean a young animal or even "a member of a guild, order, class"</Ref>
What we see as ''young'' is the Hebrew word ''ben''.<Ref>01121 ןב ben from 01129 meaning to build; n m; It is commonly translated son or children over 4000 times meaning a "son, grandson, child, member of a group". It could mean a young animal or even "a member of a guild, order, class"</Ref>
There are other words used to describe a young animal like na‘ar. <Ref>05288 רענ na‘ar from 05287; n m;  AV-young man 76, servant 54, child 44, lad 33, young 15, children 7, youth 6, babe 1, boys 1, young 1; 238 1) a boy, lad, servant, youth, retainer 1a) boy, lad, youth 1b) servant, retainer</Ref> and  baqar <ref> 01241 רקב baqar (from  01239 רקב baqar to seek, enquire, consider;) n m; AV-ox 78, herd 44,  beeves 7, young 18, young + 01121 17, bullock 6, bullock + 01121 2, calf + 01121 2, heifer 2, kine 2, bulls 1, cattle 1,cow’s 1, great 1; 182 1) cattle, herd, oxen, ox</Ref>
There are other words used to describe a young animal like na‘ar. <Ref>05288 רענ na‘ar from 05287; n m;  AV-young man 76, servant 54, child 44, lad 33, young 15, children 7, youth 6, babe 1, boys 1, young 1; 238 1) a boy, lad, servant, youth, retainer 1a) boy, lad, youth 1b) servant, retainer</Ref> and  baqar.<ref> 01241 רקב baqar (from  01239 רקב baqar to seek, enquire, consider;) n m; AV-ox 78, herd 44,  beeves 7, young 18, young + 01121 17, bullock 6, bullock + 01121 2, calf + 01121 2, heifer 2, kine 2, bulls 1, cattle 1,cow’s 1, great 1; 182 1) cattle, herd, oxen, ox</Ref>
   
   
Another word translated ''young'' is ''bachuwr''.<Ref> 0970 רוחב bachuwr \@baw-khoor’\@ or  רחב bachur \@baw-khoor’\@ participle passive of 0977; n m;  AV-young man 42, the chosen 1, young 1, not translated 1; 45 1) youth, young man</Ref>
Another word translated ''young'' is ''bachuwr''.<Ref> 0970 רוחב bachuwr \@baw-khoor’\@ or  רחב bachur \@baw-khoor’\@ participle passive of 0977; n m;  AV-young man 42, the chosen 1, young 1, not translated 1; 45 1) youth, young man</Ref>


What we see as ''pigeon'' here is ''yownah''.<Ref> 03123 ^הנוי^ yownah  probably from the same as 03196; n f; AV-dove 21, pigeon 10, variant + 01686 1; 32 1) dove, pigeon</Ref>  
What we see as ''pigeon'' here is ''yownah''.<Ref> 03123 ^הנוי^ yownah  probably from the same as 03196; n f; AV-dove 21, pigeon 10, variant + 01686 1; 32 1) dove, pigeon</Ref>  
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All the other places you see the word ''footstool'' in the Old Testament it is translated from different words that mean ''stamp'' or ''put under your feet''.
All the other places you see the word ''footstool'' in the Old Testament it is translated from different words that mean ''stamp'' or ''put under your feet''.


What does this all mean?  
'''What does this all mean?'''


It means that just as words are ''symbols of ideas'' so are the word descriptions of events like sacrificing sheep or lambs. They are ways of expressing an intent to follow a precept described in a pictorial metaphor.  
It means that just as words are ''symbols of ideas'' so are the word descriptions of events like sacrificing sheep or lambs. They are ways of expressing an intent to follow a precept described in a pictorial metaphor.  
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Once we realize that the purpose of [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php religion] is to ''fulfill our duty to God and our fellow man'' and that the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/5mosesaltar.php altars of stone] back in the days of Abraham and Moses were also to be ''living stones'' then we can begin to understand that God never wanted men to slay and burn up sheep, turtles, turtledoves or young pigeons but wanted us to give freely to care for one another in faith, hope and charity according to the perfect law of liberty.
Once we realize that the purpose of [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php religion] is to ''fulfill our duty to God and our fellow man'' and that the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/5mosesaltar.php altars of stone] back in the days of Abraham and Moses were also to be ''living stones'' then we can begin to understand that God never wanted men to slay and burn up sheep, turtles, turtledoves or young pigeons but wanted us to give freely to care for one another in faith, hope and charity according to the perfect law of liberty.


And if we sin against these precepts we should make amends through sacrifice to others by giving up something of value for the good of the community we have wronged. There was no call for mindless blood rituals of killing birds and mammals because you did wrong. These damnable heresies crept onto the ancient church just as there has been many false teachings creeping into modern Christendom. And it was done through sophistry.
And if we sin against these precepts, we should make amends through sacrifice to others by giving up something of value for the good of the community we have wronged. There was no call for mindless blood rituals of killing birds and mammals because you did wrong. These damnable heresies crept onto the ancient church just as there have been many false teachings creeping into modern Christendom. And it was done through sophistry.


To love one another, willingly sacrificing for the good of your neighbor rather than taking from them is the Gospel of the kingdom at hand that sets you free. This is the simplicity of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/TKC/TKCa1-1IsRighteousness.php Gospel of the kingdom of God] and the righteousness we are to seek.
To love one another, willingly sacrificing for the good of your neighbor rather than taking from them is the Gospel of the kingdom at hand that sets you free. This is the simplicity of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/TKC/TKCa1-1IsRighteousness.php Gospel of the kingdom of God] and the righteousness we are to seek.
Coveting your neighbors goods through men who exercise authority makes you [[Merchandise|merchandise]],<Ref>2 Peter 2:1-3 " But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Coveting your neighbors' goods through men who exercise authority makes you [[Merchandise|merchandise]],<Ref>2 Peter 2:1-3 " But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make [[Merchandise|merchandise]] of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." </Ref> entangles you in bondage<Ref>2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. </Ref> and curses your children<Ref>2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: </Ref> with debt<Ref>Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. </Ref>.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make [[Merchandise|merchandise]] of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." </Ref> entangles you in bondage<Ref>2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. </Ref> and curses your children<Ref>2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable [[soul]]s: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: </Ref> with debt<Ref>[[Romans 13]]:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. </Ref>.


== Sacrifice ==
== Sacrifice ==
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Were they doing something quite different?
Were they doing something quite different?


Were they sacrificing a turtle dove at all or is that a quirk of mistranslating the original Hebrew?
Were they sacrificing a turtledove at all or is that a quirk of mistranslating the original Hebrew?


Were Mary and Joseph members of an Essene religious order? Not likely. But John certainly could have been.  
Were Mary and Joseph members of an Essene religious order? Not likely. But John certainly could have been.  


What do those ministers of an Essene order who took on the duties of the Levites do?  
What do those ministers of an Essene order who took on the duties of the [[Levites]] do?  


They serve the people and the people. People as elders of their Essene congregations, like Mary and Joseph, could have been very well off and simply made a sacrifice ''"according to their estate."'' The other meaning for the word turtledove (TavVavReish) in the old testament when given the Strong's number 08448 is translated "according to the estate" in 1 Chronicles 17:17 ''"And [yet] this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast [also] spoken of thy servant’s house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me '''according to the estate''' of a man of high degree, O LORD God."''
They serve the people. People as elders of their Essene congregations, like Mary and Joseph, could have been very well off and simply made a sacrifice ''"according to their estate."'' The other meaning for the word turtledove (TavVavReish) in the old testament when given the Strong's number 08448 is translated "according to the estate" in 1 Chronicles 17:17. ''"And [yet] this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast [also] spoken of thy servant’s house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me '''according to the estate''' of a man of high degree, O LORD God."''


== Altars of Blood ==
== Altars of Blood ==


Take the word often translated dove, or in the Hebrew, "hnwy yownah," which is numbered 03123 in Strong's Concordance, and probably is from "Nyy yayin" meaning wine.
Take the word often translated dove, or in the Hebrew, "הנוי yownah," which is numbered [[03123 ]]in Strong's Concordance, and probably is from "ןיי yayin" meaning wine.


The word turtledove is "Reish Vav Tav" (towr),  numbered 08449. It is said to probably be from "Reish Vav Tav towr" or "rt tor" but numbered 08447 defined "circlet, plait, turn...  succession, order” and is translated "turn, row, border." The word numbered 08447 is said to be from a primitive root numbered 08446 "Reish Vav Tav tuwr" defined "to seek, search out, spy out, explore."
The word turtledove is "Reish Vav Tav" (towr), numbered [[08449]]. It is said to probably be from "Reish Vav Tav towr" or "rt tor" but numbered 08447 defined "circlet, plait, turn...  succession, order” and is translated "turn, row, border." The word numbered 08447 is said to be from a primitive root numbered [[08446]] "Reish Vav Tav tuwr" defined "to seek, search out, spy out, explore."


The Hebrew word that is translated "turtledove" nine times is simply translated as "turtle" five times. The same three-letter word in 1 Chronicles 17:17, when given the Strong's number 08448, is translated "according to the estate." 
The Hebrew word that is translated "turtledove" nine times is simply translated as "turtle" five times. The same three-letter word in 1 Chronicles 17:17, when given the Strong's number 08448, is translated "according to the estate." 


We have to be in an almost hypnotic state to imagine that God wanted people to kill turtledoves and burn them up every time we sinned. Once we accept an idea, it is often difficult to change our thinking. The more bizarre, fantastic, or absurd an idea, the tighter its hold on our minds.
We have to be in an almost hypnotic state to imagine that God wanted people to kill turtledoves and burn them up every time we sinned. Once we accept an idea, it is often difficult to change our thinking. The more bizarre, fantastic, or absurd an idea, the tighter its hold on our minds.


This is why the world is in subjection, often defending that bondage with their very lives. One of the great tools of creating this state of confusion is the use of doctrines built around mysteries that are irrational, or are beyond natural comprehension or common sense.
This is why the [[world]] is in subjection, often defending that [[bondage]] with their very lives. One of the great tools of creating this state of confusion is the use of doctrines built around mysteries that are irrational, or are beyond natural comprehension or common sense.


If God never wanted us to kill animals in bloody mutilations, then Christ did not initiate the end of that animal blood sacrifice with His own innocent blood. Can Jewish and Christian scholars be so wrong? The prevarication about animal sacrifice is more pervasive today than it was at the time of Christ. That delusion blocks our understanding of Christ's message to us.
If God never wanted us to kill animals in bloody mutilations, then Christ did not initiate the end of that animal blood sacrifice with His own innocent blood. Can Jewish and Christian scholars be so wrong? The prevarication about animal sacrifice is more pervasive today than it was at the time of Christ. That delusion blocks our understanding of Christ's message to us because of [[Sophistry]].


== Doves in a Cage ==
== Doves in a Cage ==


Writings of the time show an attitude toward dove killing as false interpretation of the Torah and not at all what God really intended.
Writings of the time show an attitude toward dove killing as false interpretation of the [[Torah]] and not at all what God really intended.


'''THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE'''
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A.K.A. The Gospel of the Perfect Life
== Rich Robes and Rags ==
 
Translated from the original Aramaic and edited by the Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley
 
Lection XLI <Br>
Iesus Setteth Free The Caged Birds
 
 
1. AND as Jesus was going to Jericho there met him a man with a cage full of birds which he had caught and some young doves. And he saw how they were in misery having lost their liberty, and moreover being tormented with hunger and thirst.
 
2. And he said unto the man, What doest thou with these? And the man answered, I go to make my living by selling these birds which I have taken.
 
3. And Jesus said, What thinkest thou, if another, stronger than thou or with greater craft, were to catch thee and bind thee, or thy wife, or thy children, and cast thee into a prison, in order to sell thee into captivity for his own profit, and to make a living?
 
4. Are not these thy fellow creatures, only weaker than thou? And doth not the same God our Father-Mother care for them as for thee? Let these thy little brethren and sisters go forth into freedom and see that thou do this thing no more, but provide honestly for thy living.
 
5. And the man marvelled at these words and at his authority, and he let the birds go free. So when the birds came forth they flew unto Jesus and stood on his shoulder and sang unto him.
6. And the man inquired further of his doctrine, and he went his way, and learnt the craft of making baskets, and by this craft he earned his bread, and afterwards he brake his cages and his traps, and became a disciple of Jesus.
 
 
== Robs and Rags ==
According to John 19:23-24  
According to John 19:23-24  
* "Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did."
* "Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did."


Where did the rob come from?  There are lots of legends about it but very little biblical evidence...
Where did the robe come from?  There are lots of legends about it but very little biblical evidence...


There was a rob put on Jesus and we have different pictures of what that robe was a d what it looked like depending on the movie you see.
There was a robe put on Jesus and we have different pictures of what that robe was and what it looked like depending on the movie you see.
   
   
In Luke 23:8 we see "And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long [season], because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him."
In Luke 23:8 we see "And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long [season], because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him."


Herod was trying to get Jesus' favor and appears to have put a fine rob on him that may have been of great value.
Herod was trying to get Jesus' favor and appears to have put a fine robe on him that may have been of great value.


* Luke 23:11 "And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked [him], and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate."
* Luke 23:11 "And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked [him], and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate."
   
   
Is this the gorgeous rob they cast lots for???
Is this the ''gorgeous robe'' they cast lots for???


== Joseph the widower ==
== Joseph the widower ==


The Eastern Orthodox Church holds that Joseph was a widower and was merely betrothed to Mary, but never married her. They name Joseph's first wife as Salome. There was a Salome but they are identified several ways and could be more than one. Although there is some Biblical support to this position.
The Eastern Orthodox Church holds that Joseph was a widower and was merely betrothed to Mary, but never married her with a ceremony. They identify Joseph's first wife as Salome. There was a Salome but they are identified several ways and could be more than one individual with that name. Although there is some Biblical support to this position.
 
They go on to believe that the references to Jesus' "brothers" are to children of Joseph and Salome. This is also derived from the writings of Jerome. All this controversy is not essential to what Jesus came to do and tell us.


They go on to believe that the references to Jesus' "brothers" are to children of Joseph and Salome. This is also  derived from the writings of Jerome.
One of the purposes of the [[Church]] is to feed the flock as [[Benefactors]] who do not exercise authority and to attend to the {{Template:Weightier matters}}
 
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Many scholars suggest that the family of Jesus was actually wealthy. Both Joseph and Mary were descendants from the Royal House of David and a wealthy family. Joseph of Arimathea Jesus' Great uncle on his mother's side was the Minister of Mines of the Roman Empire and one of the richest men in the Empire. If his family was wealthy, where did we get the idea that he was poor and who has continued to passionately promote that idea and why? https://fee.org/articles/was-jesus-a-friend-to-big-business/ Was he a friend of big business]?

Rich Relations

Jesus appears to have known some very wealthy people. The wedding at Cana does not appear to be a poor family's wedding and there is evidence Jesus knew many other rich as well as influential people.



Joseph of Arimathea

Who was Joseph of Arimathea?[1]

Joseph of Arimathæa[2] was identified as having taken charge of the body of Jesus in order to give Him decent burial.

Besides being a disciple of Jesus[3] and providing a tomb for the body of Jesus[4] Joseph is mentioned in all four gospels not only as a righteous man but also as a member of the Council (Sanhedrin) and a secret supporter of Jesus.

According to the Talmud, Joseph of Arimathea "[5] was the younger brother of Joachim the father of Mary and therefore Jesus' Great uncle.[6]

Joseph of Arimathea, son of Matthat (Mathat) ben Levi of Arimathea, was also the "Nobilis Decurio" (Minister of Mines) of the Roman Empire, among other titles, as stated by Jerome and earlier sources. This would have meant he was charged with overseeing the mining operations of the Roman Empire which were extensive and profitable.

Romans recognized talent and Joseph was talented, learning by 16 what many men might take a lifetime to master. His parentage, positions, and holdings would have been one of the richest men in the known world. The Patriarch of Constantinople wrote that Joseph was one of the Seventy Apostles appointed in Luke 10. So he was a member of the original Sanhedrin appointed by Jesus as the king and high priest for all who followed His way.

Joseph of Arimathea was also the "Nobilis Decurio" (Minister of Mines) of the Roman Empire, among other titles, as stated by Jerome and earlier sources. This would have meant he was charged with overseeing the mining operations of the Roman Empire and would have been one of the richest men in the known world.

Joseph as one of the richest men in the Roman Empire, he supported Jesus as the Christ. He was bold in his support of Jesus. [7] And he believed the kingdom at hand message.[8]

That kingdom of God was expected by the Essenes who were familiar with the prophet Menahem the Essene.


Nicodemus

While Joseph of Arimathea appears in all the Gospels Nicodemus only appears in John.[9]

Some say Simon the Leper and Simon the Pharisee was identical to the Talmudical Nicodemus ben Gorion who was reported to have miraculous powers and two daughters Mary[10] and Martha[11]. This is also said to be the same Nicodemus in John and had access to very expensive oil which would have almost been a kings ransom in value at a hundred Roman pounds.

Simon the Leper does not appear in John or Luke although their is a Simon who is also a pharisee in Luke.

We know there is an event of a woman at the feet of Jesus anointing him at the house of Mary[10] and Martha,[11] and Lazarus[12].

There is no mention of the head of the house as Simon in John. So the gospel of John seems to make no mention of either Simon the Leper and Simon the Pharisee but is the only Gospel that mentions this Nicodemus.

Are all these people the same?

Early Nicodemus

"Nicodemus" was not a normal Jewish name and its popularity varied over time. There had been a man years before who called himself Nicodemus but was one of the ambassadors sent by Aristobulus to request help from Pompey to oppose Hyrcanus and brought Rome to Judea.[13] With the coming of Rome there was the coming of the ideas of Rome at that time. Rome at that time was already degenerating from a free Republic into an indirect democracy and eventually the Imperial Cult of Rome.

Nakedimon

"The Talmud mentions a Nakedimon, so called from a miracle performed by him, who was the son of Gorion, and whose real name was Bonai.[14] It also gives the name Bonai as one of the disciples of Jesus. He was one of the three richest Jews when Titus besieged Jerusalem, but his family was reduced to the most abject poverty. So far the Talmud. The inference is that this change of fortune is connected with his becoming a Christian and with the persecution which followed, and he is himself identified with the Nicodemus of the Gospel. We can only say this may be so. The reader who cares for more on the subject will find full references in Lampe, and the extracts from the Talmud translated in Lightfoot. Others may be content to accept this latter writer’s conclusion. “It is not worth while to take great pains in a question which is very involved, if we may not also call it useless.”" Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

Traditions and the Talmud suggests that Nicodemus and his family, including a Mary and a Martha were arrested because of their involvement with a false Messiah. They were exiled to Gaul a few years after the crucifixion but Nicodemus had to remain because of his wealth. While the Pharisees wanted to murder him and confiscated his wealth the Romans seemed to show him favor.

Nick name

Why would the Gospel of John not mention Simon the Leper nor Simon the Pharisee but be the only one of the Gospels that mentions Nicodemus?

Is there a clue in the name?

There could be several reasons someone would be given such a name such as Nicodemus or Nicodemos.[15] It is said according to the Holman Bible Dictionary that Nicodemus means "innocent of blood"[16] while others translate it from the Greek components as “victory of the people.”

The author of the Gospel may have called this member of the Sanhedrin "innocent of blood" because he was innocent of the blood of Christ.

With a Greek origin the name Nikodemos, may be translated into “victory of the people.” But the name Nicolaitan can mean "conquered people" or "victory over the people" like the term "Balaam".

If we consider the Doctrine of Jesus which sets the captive free and is in opposition to the doctrines of men and their tables of welfare which are a snare and a trap entangling the people as merchandise in the cities of blood and the bondage of Egypt then the meaning of "innocent of blood" makes more sense. Those engaged in covetous practices are not innocent of blood which is why they become merchandise becoming entangled again in the yoke of bondage.

He is also mentioned by Josephus in The Jewish War. 2.17.10. and others[17]

Not only did he know Joseph of Arimathea but according to the "histories of the twelve tribes of Israel it is written" Mary's mother Anna and father Ioacim, were "exceeding rich" as stated in the Gospel of James Chapter 1.[18]

Occupation wood or stone

Furthermore, the Greek word tektón used for the occupation of Joseph, the father of Jesus, more likely should be translated as an architect or at the very least a skilled craftsman like an engineer rather than a mere carpenter or worker with wood or stone masonry.[19]

So, are we to believe that Mary's uncle could never push any work Joseph's way?

Was the word tektón more than a craftsman in wood or stone?

Joseph appears to be a Master stone mason, who worked in Egypt and Caesarea, etc. Joseph appears to have had older sons by a previous marriage. He was not poor. Jesus may have worked with him at times but appears to have spent time with his uncle traveling. He was the rightful king of Judea and Parthia by birth.


Some suggest that tektón was used in place of the Aramaic term naggara (or the Hebrew naggar נגר).

According to Geza Vermes suggested in 1983 the term naggar used in the Talmud can mean a "very learned man". This could indicate that Joseph was considered "wise and literate" in the Torah and in his craft.[20]

  • "The term (tektón) translated into English as 'carpenter' represents the much wider sense of the ancient Greek, ho tekton, which is a rendition of the Semitic word naggar.5 As pointed out by the Semitic scholar Dr. Geza Vermes, this descriptive word [naggar] could perhaps be applied to a trade craftsman, but could equally well define a scholar."[21]

Some assuming Joseph was a poor carpenter and Jesus as the oldest son would have to learn that trade but their is no evidence that Jesus was the oldest son. Joseph is believed to have other sons by a previous marriage as stated also in the Gospel of James. We know there are brethren mentioned in the gospel but their age is not clear for they could be the result of Joseph's and Mary's union as husband and wife.

A great deal of what we think the Bible is saying is the result of preconceived view put into or placed upon the text or teachings about the text that are not really the result of the text but rather private interpretation of scholar which come in all shapes and sizes.

Born Poor

Everyone knew that a king was to be born. Herod knew it, the Magi, angels, and shepherds knew it. At Jesus’ triumphant entry into Jerusalem, thousands of people hailed him as the highest son of David, the Messiah, the King, the Anointed, the Christ. Jesus said that it was for this cause that he came into the world and even the Procurator of Rome admitted that this was the King, and officially proclaimed it so on the epigraph nailed to the cross. The only ones who do not understand His appointed government is the Modern Christians.

Jesus was born to be King but that was a dangerous job considering all the different factions seeking power. His birth was in Bethlehem where there was no room at the inn. Poor people would not even go to the Inn. So, they were in a place where there was livestock that was underground or somewhere sheltered.

Only rich people would own a cave or barn for their animals and they would have lived right in with their animals in those days. Large homes would often keep animals on the first floor but not the poor.

The poor would be lucky to have something as nice as a lean-to like people see under Christmas trees.

The Greek word phatn[22] is defined as a " a crib, a manger" and appear four times[23] in the Bible and only in Luke but it is not always translated manger but also crib.

Plato used the term in relationship to the soul and the creation of the human body.

  • "The part of the soul that has appetites for food and drink (τὸ... σίτων τε καὶ ποτῶν ἐπιθυµητικὸν τῆς ψυχῆς) and whatever else it feels a need for, given the body’s nature, they settled in the area between the midriff (φρήν) and the boundary toward the navel (πρὸς τὸν ὀµφαλόν). In the whole of this region, they constructed something like a trough (φάτνη) for the body’s nourishment." 9 Plato, Timaeus. 69c-d, 70a
  • "Philo even invoked Plato’s imagery of the belly as ‘a manger’ (φάτνη) from which ‘the irrational animal’ (ἄλογος θρέµµα) of desire eats." [24] Platonic and Stoic Passions in Philo of Alexandria Loren Kerns, George Fox University.

The fact is the term phatn can refer to any kind of container. The word for manger did not have to mean it was for feeding animals but was something built like a chest, box, cradle or crib in which to lay the child.

Made Himself Poor

Do these men who were poor but made themselves rich claiming to preach the Jesus who "though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor"?[25] Are they doing what the early Church did? Where is their Daily ministration? Are they teaching what the Christian conflict was or what the Corban of the Pharisees was and how it made the word of God to none effect? Are they tickling the ears of the Modern Christians who have become workers of iniquity? "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:3

It has become popular to believe Jesus was poor. It certainly makes the poor feel better. Some how being poor is suppose to make you humble. Would it destroy some vast eternal plan if he were a wealthy man? If we knew Jesus was rich but "made himself poor"[26] according to the purpose of God would it give us a deeper insight into exactly where Jesus was trying to take us and the ministers of His Church.

What if we take this following statement literally?...

  • 2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

That is a pretty direct statement that he was rich but decided to give up his wealthy estate. People are ready to discount this as a metaphor that means he was rich in heaven but came down here to be poor.

Then there is:

  • Luke 1:53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

Does this mean he lived rich - or like a rich man - but gave up his wealth as it appears to be said in 2 Corinthians?

How many ministers want to hear that they need to give up their wealth?

Jesus was clearly telling that to his disciples who were seeking to be ministers.

  • Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

The word "hath" there means possessions, goods, wealth, property.[27] Jesus was adamant about this giving up of property as an inheritance for his ministers.

This was repeated over and over for those who wanted to be of greater service and we see men like Joses who became Barnabas[28] doing likewise and Ananias failing to do so and dropping dead.[29]

This was the same thing that Moses required of the Levites but modern ministers do not want to hear that either. The Levites actually supplied a system of social welfare by way of their Altars which provided a Daily ministration through the Freewill offerings which were called Corban as a part of their exercise of Pure Religion. But the Levites had no personal estate, they belonged to God.[30]

Why poor preachers?

2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Christ warns the wealthy that it is not easy for them to get into the kingdom and wealthy ministers seem to imagine they are immune to this directive of Christ.

Even when Jesus said Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head (Matthew 8:20) does not contradict the idea that he was rich but gave that wealth up.

I have wondered if his reference to foxes is not related to to Luke 13:32:

  • And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected.

That fox, Herod Antipas, had his den, his throne but the son of man came as a servant and gave all to serve all and would soon be hailed as the highest son of David and the rightful heir of his throne.

But again, Jesus would choose to stay in the Garden of Gethsemane rather than in some million-dollar mansion.

It is no sin to be wealthy but it may be an opportunity to sin. But a true minister of Christ should not.[31] He made many other statements about giving up your personal wealth or estate[32] under his personal philosophical carpet.

Wealth is power and too much wealth corrupts. It is sometimes best to give as much of it away as possible or at least as practical.

  • "I know not why any one but a schoolboy in his declamation should whine over the Commonwealth of Rome, which grew great only by the misery of the rest of mankind. The Romans, like others, as soon as they grew rich, grew corrupt; and in their corruption sold the lives and freedoms of themselves, and of one another." ― Samuel Johnson

Heir Priest and King

The word "Christ" meant anointed and therefore the Kings of Israel who were anointed. To Call Jesus the Christ was to call him Messiah and King. The Pharisees and Herod had instituted a system of Corban through the power of the priesthood and the civil law in order to exercise authority[33] of the king over the people to provide welfare, benefits, and dainties.

Such systems of legal charity were a snare and a trap according to Proverbs, David, and Paul. They would entangle the people in the elements of the world, returng them to the bondage of Egypt.

Jesus began his ministry at the Baptism by John the Baptist who was already preaching the kingdom of God and His righteousness was at hand. He was to replace John but even John did not know he was to be the Messiah[34], priest and King[35]. Eventually he spoke of the Baptism of the Spirit and of fire.

Rabbinical Baptism had long been a custom in Jewish history to ritually accept a change in status.

In Matthew 3:4 John's "raiment of camel's hair" was likely made of Bactrian camel's hair which was common in Parthia, the hereditary enemy of Rome. And "a leathern girdle about his loins" also suggests Parthian priest[36] wearing a "Hemyan" belt. [37]
Also the idea of "his meat was locusts and wild honey" is not about eating bugs but Carob.[38]

Soba was said to be the daughter of Matthan and mother of Elisabeth, who was the mother of John the Baptist. This also made Joseph "Mary’s first cousin, once removed, as they shared the same grandfather, Matthan" See (Matthew 1:15)

This made them both descended from both Judean and Parthian royalty and priesthood. See Jesus

Because Zacharias was murdered his office as priest passed to John his son who became John the Baptist. With a murder in the temple and the Sanhedrin in disarray, with the proper bloodline and the blessings of the Megistanes we can assume that the office of high priest in Judea and in Parthia passed to John the Baptist. If the reference in Matthew 3:4 concerning John's "raiment of camel's hair" was made of Bactrian camel's hair which was common in Parthiaand the "leathern girdle about his loins" was the famous traditional "Hemyan" belt[37] we may safely assume he became a Parthian priest while hiding in Asia safe from assassination by Jews or Romans.

The wise men of Matthew 2 seems to be the Megistanes[39] who saw Jesus as the descendent of Phares, King David, and Matthan the technical heir to the Parthian throne.

When John the Baptist was executed then Jesus automatically became his successor as the one who was to come after him.[40] This would make Jesus as the Christ both High Priest and King and as the righteous king of peace and the Son of God.[35]


Doing the Christ thing

Who is with Christ and wishes to follow his instructions?

Who has the faith of Christ?

  • John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;

So, who is doing what Jesus said to do?
And who is telling you that it is not important to do what he said as long as you believe He is God?

Who supported Jesus' ministry?

Everybody had to help support and when they organized into congregations of ten—as we see throughout Christianity for centuries—what was given was called tithe because it came from ten elders.

We know prominent people also supported his ministry which was caring for the needy through a network of ministers.

  • Luke 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

So why would we not think Jesus was not rich as a member of his family?

Do we follow Christ because like Peter the Father revealed it to us to follow Him through the holy spirit?

This of course needs to become our answer.

Often our own motivation is clouded because while we may seek the truth, we may not have found it entirely. We may need to see some of our selfish motivations.

One reason I pursued this topic is to challenge us to think beyond what we were taught, to see how our own image of the truth can be affected by what we accept early in our personal learning process.

Had we been taught from childhood that Jesus came from a rich family who gave up his wealth to serve the people as a minister and taught a way of sacrifice and love we would readily accept that He required all his disciples who sought to be his appointed ministers to give up their personal estates and become the public servants of a network of believers who lived by charity instead of force. We would all be familiar with 2 Corinthians 8:9:

  • "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich."

And it would be easy to accept the idea he was rich and gave up his wealth for a life of service.

The only real problem would be the fact that Mary supposedly sacrificed turtledoves and pigeons in Luke 2:24[41] These are supposed to be the offerings for people who cannot afford a lamb or cannot bring one.

But since we know there was a large religious group at the time which had many ideas and teaching that paralleled what Jesus taught and they did not participate in the animal sacrifice of the Pharisees though they read the same Torah then we should ask ourselves did the original text mean that Mary brought turtledoves and pigeons to be slaughtered?

Have we been deceived and misguided by ministers who crept in and taught us damnable heresies?

And when someone comes and tells us the truth, do we immediately imagine him to be a lunatic and a fool?

To realize that faith in God and His ways means to care for one another by charity and not coveting your neighbors' goods for your personal benefit or gain. And then there are the ministers who have become rich preaching a do-nothing Gospel of false belief that has brought the whole world back into the bondage of Egypt where it is worse than it was then.

  • Mark 12:33 "And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Turtledoves and Estates

Is a turtledove a bird or a turtle or is it part of your personal estate?

  • Luke 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Some believe that the offering of birds reveals that they must have been poor.

Many believe that John the Baptist was an Essene and Jesus was to come after him as his successor.

For centuries, both ancient writers and modern scholars read reports about the Essenes from writers such as Josephus, Philo, Pliny, Porphyry, and Jerome — the “classical sources” on the Essenes.

Philo suggests that they were a pacifist group while others carried swords and even trained but were counted as being willing to take a personal blow without retaliation. He also describes the group in a way that suggests Pythagoreanism because of their rejection of taking oaths, and the keeping of slaves.

Philo claims that the Essenes abstained from animal sacrifices altogether.

Josephus agrees with Philo on most of these points. Josephus reports that, because of their unique views, they were excluded from the temple courts and their system of Corban [sacrifice]. For this reason they had their own system of sacrifice based on charity as we see John and Jesus preaching and preaching against the Pharisee's system of Corban that made the word of God to non effect.

We see the teachings of those we call the Essenes in the gospel yet the modern Church barely addresses them and modern preachers, though they sometimes start poor, often make themselves rich. Why shouldn't they? Almost everything else they do is contrary to what Christ said.

So if the Essenes rejected animal sacrifice because they believed that the Pharisees had mistranslated the Torah and distorted the message of Moses, something Jesus also projected about them, then maybe Mary and Joseph did not follow their interpretation of Leviticus 12:6 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:

Young Pigeons

Remember that the letters of words in Hebrew mean something and they are put together to define the word itself. Many words in Hebrew have more than one meaning. They often have an abstract meaning and a physical counterpart. We talk about this in the pamphlet Adventures of Artifice in Languageland The sophistry of words has deceived man and led him from God. Sacrifice was meant to bring us closer to Him again. Where has the sophistry of our sacrifice led us?


The first mention of "young Pigeons" in the Bible is Genesis 15:9

  • "And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon."

The words "young pigeon" is translated from 01469 לזוג gowzal from לזג gozal meaning "to tear away, seize, plunder, tear off, pull off..." It only appears twice in the bible. Here and in Deuteronomy 32:11[42] and is translated young pigeon or just young and is said to mean a nestling, young (of birds).

In Leviticus we see two words translated young pigeons.

  • "And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD [be] of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons." Leviticus 1:14

What we see as young is the Hebrew word ben.[43] There are other words used to describe a young animal like na‘ar. [44] and baqar.[45]

Another word translated young is bachuwr.[46]

What we see as pigeon here is yownah.[47] From yayin meaning wine.[48]

We see these words all mentioned in Leviticus 12:6

The word lamb is kebes.[49]

  • "And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:"

The Hebrew letters for a lamb are ShemBeitKuf.

The same letters ShemBeitKuf are used to produce other words like kabash[50] meaning to subdue, and kebesh[51] translated footstool in 2 Chronicles 9:18

  • "And [there were] six steps to the throne, with a footstool of gold, [which were] fastened to the throne, and stays on each side of the sitting place, and two lions standing by the stays:"

All the other places you see the word footstool in the Old Testament it is translated from different words that mean stamp or put under your feet.

What does this all mean?

It means that just as words are symbols of ideas so are the word descriptions of events like sacrificing sheep or lambs. They are ways of expressing an intent to follow a precept described in a pictorial metaphor.

Once we realize that the purpose of religion is to fulfill our duty to God and our fellow man and that the altars of stone back in the days of Abraham and Moses were also to be living stones then we can begin to understand that God never wanted men to slay and burn up sheep, turtles, turtledoves or young pigeons but wanted us to give freely to care for one another in faith, hope and charity according to the perfect law of liberty.

And if we sin against these precepts, we should make amends through sacrifice to others by giving up something of value for the good of the community we have wronged. There was no call for mindless blood rituals of killing birds and mammals because you did wrong. These damnable heresies crept onto the ancient church just as there have been many false teachings creeping into modern Christendom. And it was done through sophistry.

To love one another, willingly sacrificing for the good of your neighbor rather than taking from them is the Gospel of the kingdom at hand that sets you free. This is the simplicity of the Gospel of the kingdom of God and the righteousness we are to seek. Coveting your neighbors' goods through men who exercise authority makes you merchandise,[52] entangles you in bondage[53] and curses your children[54] with debt[55].

Sacrifice

Were they doing something quite different?

Were they sacrificing a turtledove at all or is that a quirk of mistranslating the original Hebrew?

Were Mary and Joseph members of an Essene religious order? Not likely. But John certainly could have been.

What do those ministers of an Essene order who took on the duties of the Levites do?

They serve the people. People as elders of their Essene congregations, like Mary and Joseph, could have been very well off and simply made a sacrifice "according to their estate." The other meaning for the word turtledove (TavVavReish) in the old testament when given the Strong's number 08448 is translated "according to the estate" in 1 Chronicles 17:17. "And [yet] this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast [also] spoken of thy servant’s house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me according to the estate of a man of high degree, O LORD God."

Altars of Blood

Take the word often translated dove, or in the Hebrew, "הנוי yownah," which is numbered 03123 in Strong's Concordance, and probably is from "ןיי yayin" meaning wine.

The word turtledove is "Reish Vav Tav" (towr), numbered 08449. It is said to probably be from "Reish Vav Tav towr" or "rt tor" but numbered 08447 defined "circlet, plait, turn...  succession, order” and is translated "turn, row, border." The word numbered 08447 is said to be from a primitive root numbered 08446 "Reish Vav Tav tuwr" defined "to seek, search out, spy out, explore."

The Hebrew word that is translated "turtledove" nine times is simply translated as "turtle" five times. The same three-letter word in 1 Chronicles 17:17, when given the Strong's number 08448, is translated "according to the estate." 

We have to be in an almost hypnotic state to imagine that God wanted people to kill turtledoves and burn them up every time we sinned. Once we accept an idea, it is often difficult to change our thinking. The more bizarre, fantastic, or absurd an idea, the tighter its hold on our minds.

This is why the world is in subjection, often defending that bondage with their very lives. One of the great tools of creating this state of confusion is the use of doctrines built around mysteries that are irrational, or are beyond natural comprehension or common sense.

If God never wanted us to kill animals in bloody mutilations, then Christ did not initiate the end of that animal blood sacrifice with His own innocent blood. Can Jewish and Christian scholars be so wrong? The prevarication about animal sacrifice is more pervasive today than it was at the time of Christ. That delusion blocks our understanding of Christ's message to us because of Sophistry.

Doves in a Cage

Writings of the time show an attitude toward dove killing as false interpretation of the Torah and not at all what God really intended.

THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE

A.K.A. The Gospel of the Perfect Life

Translated from the original Aramaic and edited by the Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley[56]

Lection XLI
Iesus Setteth Free The Caged Birds


1. AND as Jesus was going to Jericho there met him a man with a cage full of birds which he had caught and some young doves. And he saw how they were in misery having lost their liberty, and moreover being tormented with hunger and thirst.

2. And he said unto the man, What doest thou with these? And the man answered, I go to make my living by selling these birds which I have taken.

3. And Jesus said, What thinkest thou, if another, stronger than thou or with greater craft, were to catch thee and bind thee, or thy wife, or thy children, and cast thee into a prison, in order to sell thee into captivity for his own profit, and to make a living?

4. Are not these thy fellow creatures, only weaker than thou? And doth not the same God our Father-Mother care for them as for thee? Let these thy little brethren and sisters go forth into freedom and see that thou do this thing no more, but provide honestly for thy living.

5. And the man marvelled at these words and at his authority, and he let the birds go free. So when the birds came forth they flew unto Jesus and stood on his shoulder and sang unto him.

6. And the man inquired further of his doctrine, and he went his way, and learnt the craft of making baskets, and by this craft he earned his bread, and afterwards he brake his cages and his traps, and became a disciple of Jesus.

Rich Robes and Rags

According to John 19:23-24

  • "Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did."

Where did the robe come from? There are lots of legends about it but very little biblical evidence...

There was a robe put on Jesus and we have different pictures of what that robe was and what it looked like depending on the movie you see.

In Luke 23:8 we see "And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long [season], because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him."

Herod was trying to get Jesus' favor and appears to have put a fine robe on him that may have been of great value.

  • Luke 23:11 "And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked [him], and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate."

Is this the gorgeous robe they cast lots for???

Joseph the widower

The Eastern Orthodox Church holds that Joseph was a widower and was merely betrothed to Mary, but never married her with a ceremony. They identify Joseph's first wife as Salome. There was a Salome but they are identified several ways and could be more than one individual with that name. Although there is some Biblical support to this position.

They go on to believe that the references to Jesus' "brothers" are to children of Joseph and Salome. This is also derived from the writings of Jerome. All this controversy is not essential to what Jesus came to do and tell us.

One of the purposes of the Church is to feed the flock as Benefactors who do not exercise authority and to attend to the Weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith which include caring for the needs of our neighbors and the widows and orphans of our society through Pure Religion in matters of health, education, and welfare. We are NOT to provide for the needy of society through the Covetous Practices and the men who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other like the socialists do.

The Way of Christ was like neither the way of the world of Rome nor the governments of the gentiles who depend on those fathers of the earth through force, fear and fealty who deliver the people back in bondage again like they were in Egypt. Christ's ministers and true Christians do not depend upon systems of social welfare that force the contributions of the people like the corban of the Pharisees which made the word of God to none effect. Many people have been deceived to go the way of Balaam and the Nicolaitan and out of The Way of Christ and have become workers of iniquity.

The Christian conflict with Rome in the first century Church appointed by Christ was because they would not apply to the fathers of the earth for their free bread but instead relied upon a voluntary network providing a daily ministration to the needy of society through Faith, Hope, and Charity by way of freewill offerings of the people, for the people, and by the people through the perfect law of liberty in Free Assemblies according to the ancient pattern of Tuns or Tens as He commanded.

The modern Christians are in need of repentance.


"Follow me!" —Jesus the Christ.


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Footnotes

  1. 707 Ἀριμαθαία Arimathaia [ar-ee-math-ah’-ee-ah] of Hebrew origin 07414 הרמתים‎; n pr loc; AV-Arimathaea 4; 4
    • Arimathaea  = "heights"
    1) the name of several cities in Palestine The one mentioned in Matthew 27:57; Mark 15:43; Luke 23:51; John 19:38 appears to have been the same as the birthplace of Samuel in Mount Ephraim.
  2. Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
    Mark 15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
    Luke 23:51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) [he was] of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
    John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave [him] leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
  3. Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
  4. Matthew 27:57 "When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:"
  5. Joseph of Arimathea, "The Tin Man" (5?BC-80+AD) "de Marmore (Marmorica in Egypt)
    Son of Matthat, Son of Levi ben Melchi and Esthra / Estha
    Husband of Anna bar Simon, of Arimathea and Alyuba bar Eléazar
    Uncle of Mary as the younger brother of Joachim the father of Mary
    Brother of Saint Joachim; Heli ben Matat and Bianca.
    Half brother of JoAnna of Arimathea, Heli ben Matat and Gjora
    Great Uncle to Jesus and to His Brothers and Sisters
    • Brother Joachim/Jacob and Anna/Hannah (Bianca/Anna (Enygeus) The parents of Mary.
    AKA: "Joachin", "Joachim", "Joakhim", "Yoachim", "Yoyakim", "Heli (Prince Alexander III “Helios”) ben Matthan"
  6. George F. Jowett, "The Drama of the Lost Disciples", (p.18). The "Harlein Manuscripts" (38-59f, 1936) appears to support these claims.
  7. Mark 15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
    John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
  8. Luke 23:51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the Kingdom of God.
  9. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
    John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
    John 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
    John 7:50 Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)
    John 19:39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].
  10. 10.0 10.1 3137 Μαρία Maria [mar-ee’-ah] or Μαριάμ Mariam [mar-ee-am’] of Hebrew origin 04813 מִרְיָם‎; n pr f; AV-Mary the mother of Jesus 19, Mary Magdalene 13, Mary the sister of Martha 11, Mary the mother of James 9, Mary the mother of John Mark 1, Mary of Rome 1; 54
    • Mary or Miriam  = "their rebellion"
    1) Mary the mother of Jesus
    2) Mary Magdalene, a women from Magdala
    3) Mary, the sister of Lazarus and Martha
    4) Mary of Cleophas the mother of James the less
    5) Mary the mother of John Mark, a sister of Barnabas
    6) Mary, a Roman Christian who is greeted by Paul in #Ro 16:6
  11. 11.0 11.1 3136 Μάρθα Martha [mar’-thah] probably of Chaldean origin (meaning mistress) מָרְתָא‎; n pr f; AV-Martha 13; 13
    • Martha  = "she was rebellious"
    1) was the sister of Lazarus and Mary of Bethany
  12. 2976 Λάζαρος Lazaros [lad’-zar-os] probably of Hebrew origin 0499 אֶלעָזָר‎; n pr m; AV-Lazarus 11, Lazarus (the poor man) 4; 15
    • Lazarus  = "whom God helps" (a form of the Hebrew name Eleazar)
    1) an inhabitant of Bethany, beloved by Christ and raised from the dead by him
    2) a very poor and wretched person to whom Jesus referred to in #Luke 16:20-25
  13. Josephus (Ant. of the Jews, XIV, iii, 2)
  14. "The Nicodemus of the Talmud was also called Bunai, must have survived the destruction of Jerusalem, and was known under this latter name as a disciple of Jesus." Meyer's NT Commentary
    • "Nicodemus" He is mentioned only by S. John. It is impossible to say whether he is identical with the Nicodemus of the Talmud, also called Bunai, who survived the destruction of Jerusalem." Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
  15. 3530 Νικόδημος Nikodemos [nik-od’-ay-mos] from 3534 nikos victory or to utterly vanquish and 1218 demos people; n pr m; AV-Nicodemus 5; 5
    1) a member of the Sanhedrin who took the part of Jesus
    as a personal name it may mean "innocent of blood".
  16. Holman Bible Dictionary, published by Broadman & Holman, 1991. All rights reserved. Used by permission of Broadman & Holman.
  17. Lamentations Rabbah, i. 5; Ecclesiastes Rabbah, vii. 11;
    Babylonian Talmud,
    Talmud - Mas. Ta'anith 19b pdf; Ktubot 65a-b, 66b, 67a; Gittin 56a (cf. Josephus, Jewish War, v. 1, § 4)
    "NAKDIMON BEN GURYON". Encyclopedia Judaica.
    Avot of Rabbi Natan, vi. 3.
  18. Chapter I. 1. In the histories of the twelve tribes of Israel it is written that there was one Ioacim, exceeding rich: and he offered his gifts twofold, saying: That which is of my superfluity shall be for the whole people, and that which is for my forgiveness shall be for the Lord, for a propitiation unto me.
  19. Markus Bockmuehl (8 November 2001). The Cambridge Companion to Jesus. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-79678-1. Retrieved 17 November 2012.
  20. Jesus the Jew: a historian's reading of the Gospels by Jeza Vermes 1983 ISBN 0961614846 page 21 Jesus the Jew: a historian's reading of the Gospels - Pages 21-22
  21. A.N. Wilson." Jesus". Random House UK. Page 29:
  22. 5336 ~φάτνη~ phatne \@fat’-nay\@ from pateomai (to eat); n f AV-manger 3, stall 1; 4
    1) a crib, a manger
  23. Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger <5336>; because there was no room for them in the inn.
    Luke 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger <5336>.
    Luke 2:16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger <5336>.
    Luke 13:15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall <5336>, and lead him away to watering?
  24. Philo, Spec. 1.148-50. 47 Ibid., 1.148; Plato, Tim. 70e. Note that Plato in this passage described the appetitive animal as ‘wild’ (ὡς θρέµµα ἄγριον) rather than ‘irrational’ (ἄλογος) as in Philo’s case.
  25. 2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
  26. 2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
  27. 5224 ~ὑπάρχοντα~ huparchonta \@hoop-ar’-khon-tah\@ neuter plural of present participle active of 5225 as noun; ; v participle AV-goods 7, that (one) has 4, things which (one) possesses 2, substance 1; 14 1) possessions, goods, wealth, property
  28. Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus,
  29. Acts 5:1 ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
  30. Numbers 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;
    Numbers 3:45 Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the children of Israel, and the cattle of the Levites instead of their cattle; and the Levites shall be mine: I am the LORD.
    Numbers 8:14 Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine.
  31. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
  32. Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
    Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
    Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people [unto him] with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
    Matthew 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
    Luke 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
  33. Not exercise authority
    Matthew 20:25 "But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you:..."
    Mark 10:42 "But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you:..."
    Luke 22:25 "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye [shall] not [be] so:..."
  34. Luke 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
  35. 35.0 35.1 Priest and king
    Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
    Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;... 17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.... 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
    Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
  36. The Parthian Empire stretched from central Asia to Mesopotamia, and from the Caucasus to the Persian Gulf, and kept Roman expansionism in check for roughly 400 Years.
  37. 37.0 37.1 "Geo Widengren distinguishes between the Parthian kamar, a sword or tunic belt, and the hemyān, or sacred girdle worn by priests (Widengren, p. 254)." “BELTS,” Encyclopaedia Iranica, IV/2, pp. 130-136.
  38. The eastern Mediterranean region has a tree, cultivated from the pea family (Fabaceae), called Carob (Ceratonia siliqua) produces an edible pod identified as a "locust" bean or "St. John's bread". So carob was not a bug and the honey may be what was called "date honey".
  39. King of the Megistanes
    Matthew 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great <3173> joy.
    Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great <3173> light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
    Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great <3173> in the kingdom of heaven.
    Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great <3173> King.
  40. Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
  41. Luke 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
  42. Deuteronomy 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young <01469>, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
  43. 01121 ןב ben from 01129 meaning to build; n m; It is commonly translated son or children over 4000 times meaning a "son, grandson, child, member of a group". It could mean a young animal or even "a member of a guild, order, class"
  44. 05288 רענ na‘ar from 05287; n m; AV-young man 76, servant 54, child 44, lad 33, young 15, children 7, youth 6, babe 1, boys 1, young 1; 238 1) a boy, lad, servant, youth, retainer 1a) boy, lad, youth 1b) servant, retainer
  45. 01241 רקב baqar (from 01239 רקב baqar to seek, enquire, consider;) n m; AV-ox 78, herd 44, beeves 7, young 18, young + 01121 17, bullock 6, bullock + 01121 2, calf + 01121 2, heifer 2, kine 2, bulls 1, cattle 1,cow’s 1, great 1; 182 1) cattle, herd, oxen, ox
  46. 0970 רוחב bachuwr \@baw-khoor’\@ or רחב bachur \@baw-khoor’\@ participle passive of 0977; n m; AV-young man 42, the chosen 1, young 1, not translated 1; 45 1) youth, young man
  47. 03123 ^הנוי^ yownah probably from the same as 03196; n f; AV-dove 21, pigeon 10, variant + 01686 1; 32 1) dove, pigeon
  48. 03196 ^ןיי^ yayin from an unused root meaning to effervesce, Greek 3631 ~οινος~; n m; AV-wine 137, vine 1, banqueting 1, winebibbers + 05433 1; 140 1) wine
  49. 03532 ^שׂבכ^ kebes \@keh-bes’\@ from an unused root meaning to dominate; n m; AV-lamb 105, sheep 2; 107 1) lamb, sheep, young ram
  50. 03533 שׁבכ kabash a primitive root; v; AV-subdue 8, bring into subjection 3, bring into bondage 2, keep under 1, force 1; 15 1) to subject, subdue, force, keep under, bring into bondage, dominate, tread down
  51. 03534 ^שׁבכ^ kebesh from 03533; n m; -footstool 1; 1 1) footstool
  52. 2 Peter 2:1-3 " But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."
  53. 2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
  54. 2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
  55. Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
  56. The explanatory preface referred to an ancient source manuscript "preserved in the Monasteries of Thibet" which has never been produced or proven to exist. In subsequent editions, released during the early 1900s, the anonymous Editors revised their claim by stating that the text was "communicated" by departed mystics "in dreams and visions of the night". "It appears that Ouseley created The Gospel of the Holy Twelve in support of animal welfare and vegetarianism." Richard Alan Young, "Is God a Vegetarian?"
  57. Matthew 20:25-26 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    Mark 10:42-43 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
    Luke 22:25-26 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.


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