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Mr. MB on Facebook wrote concerning our articles on Corban: : "I disproved your "corban" teaching using actual Jewish records (showing that Corban is not, nor has it ever been a welfare program - it was funds used exclusively for temple upkeep and public city construction - but NEVER for private welfare)."

Mr. MB did not disproved the meaning of "corban" teaching at all. He quoted the Talmud. Everyone who knows Christ and the Bible knows that many of the Jews had it wrong. Many Jewish scholars did not have eyes to see the message of Christ back then and the same is true today for Christians and Jews.

The idea that Corban was not a part of social welfare of Judea and certainly Israel is blatantly false.

"For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land." Deuteronomy 15:11

Some imagine that it was a temple tax only but from the beginning Israel was a network of Altars that provided for the needs of the people in some form of social welfare. That is what Religion meant and Mose said to love thy neighbor as thyself. Your neighbor was a part of the social network of Israel because he contributed to it regularly with Freewill offerings which was his sacrifice on living Altars composed of Levites who owned all things in common.

They had the reins of control over the sacrifices of the people and could eat of the sacrifices of the people but they had no personal estate but held land in common with what might be called a Legal title with all other recognized Levites. There inheritance was not a private estate because they belonged to God. Their inheritance was the Kingdom of God in service to the people and the tabernacle or tents of the congregations.

Even the Talmud which is often full of the apostasies of Judaism gone astray mentions this in the Mishna.

"The treasury Flavius Josephus describes as Corbonas is known from Jewish sources as Qorban, and Jewish law permitted the use of money from this treasures for social welfare and public works (Mishna Šeqalim 4.2)." ^[1]

" "Sanctified moneys or contributions for the poor are not dealt with for profit." ^[2]

Many Christian scholars do not agree on what Christ meant and said about many things. Faith is a gift. Understanding the gospel is a gift. It is clear that Mr. MB does not have eyes to see nor ears to see the true gospel.

http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/corban.php

How did the Corban of the Pharisees make the word of God to none effect?

It was no longer by a Freewill offering or Charity to the National Networking minister of your choice according to the Perfect law of liberty. The right to choose what to give and how much to give and to whom to give was no longer yours but belonged to the Benefactors who exercise authority one over the other and the Fathers of the earth who you make agreements with so you can get benefits and rewards at the expense of your neighbor.

Judea like modern Christianity was in apostasy just like you Mr. MB. Like many Modern Christians they want to think it is okay to covet their neighbor's goods and force them to contribute as long as it is done through the governments they elect, those Benefactors of force.

Modern Christians do not want to live by charity but by forcing their neighbor to contribute to their benefit. That has always been coveting and Moses and Jesus, and John and Paul preached against that but Modern Christians cannot see it.

Mr. MB made a reference to Corban was "NEVER for private welfare". The Corban of the Pharisees was Public welfare.

For the record, which is easily viewed, we preach that people should live by faith, hope and charity. They should take care of the needy of their society by Freewill offerings in Pure Religion like James said. We preach what Jesus said when he told us in Luke 22:25 that we were not to be like the governments of the world that call themselves Benefactors but exercise authority one over the other. That is what Jesus clearly said and John and all the apostles said and did.

We have never ever preached against the governments of the World. We know they are needed to keep the wicked and greedy covetous people in line and of course the "false accuser" who do not have Christ in them nor eyes to see nor ears to hear His simple message of real love. Not the impotent fruitless love many feel in modern churches and the Pharisees practiced.

This is the major point of John the Baptist who called for people to confess and repent and to start to take care of one another's needs through charity when they received his Baptism. But if they depended upon the temple and the forced offerings of the people in Herod's social welfare scheme they did less for their own parents and sometimes little to nothing.

Even the blind man's parents feared being cast out of that social welfare system if they proclaimed Jesus was the Christ, the anointed king of Judea.^[3]

This was the major Christian conflict between the two Welfare types.

200 years ago almost all social welfare was provided by churches. Today, most people go to governments of the world to obtain the benefits they desire from free education to health care. The modern social security systems of the world depend on the sacrifices of the people to provide for their "needy and elderly, including their own parents. Israel and many nations had such systems. Judea called it Corban and Rome called it Qorban and Muslims call it Korban.

They are all systems that require the sacrifice of the people. The difference between a godly or free nation and the ones that make the word of God to none effect is that in a free nation that sacrifice is by Freewill offerings or what Jesus called love and Paul called charity.

We at His Church teach that if you owe the tax pay the tax just like Jesus, Peter and Paul said but we also teach that if you need help or assistance you should obtain it by the freewill offerings of your neighbor through congregations bound by love, not by force. You should not apply or pray to those Benefactors who exercise authority one over the other, nor the Fathers of the earth like false Christians do.

Since it has always been the obligation and duty of man to take care of the needy there must be a manner in which that is done in any godly society. That is what Religion used to mean. And Pure Religion is taking care of the needy unspotted by the World.

The apostles were appointed a government and the Church is defined still today as one form of government. We at His Church seek to live in the World but not of it. We know there is another way to provide for one another which the Modern Church has strayed from.

Christ preached a kingdom and appointed it to His little flock and they provided for the people in charity.

Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

This private Religion of Christianity was at the root of the Christian conflict because real Christians would not covet their neighbor's goods or any thing that was their neighbors.

http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Covetous_Practices

Even when Mr. MB said "your interpretation of "exousia" is completely in error, that exousia does NOT mean "liberty," but "authority"..." he gave his black heart and prejudice away.

The word exousia is translated "liberty" in the Bible and also "right" because it means the "right to choose". In Plato's notes, the "Greek words for freedom (are) eleutheros (liberal/Free), exousia (Freedom/Power to do something), ..." In Bryn Mawr's Classical Review, the word exousia is said to express “the new concept of freedom, in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria." Even the Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms states that exousia means "right". Aristotle actually exemplifies exousia's use in the statement, "The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes..." There are quotes saying the same thing concerning both classical and Koine Greek but Mr Black does not want to see the truth.

We are endowed by our Creator with the right to choose but when you make contracts and agreements with Benefactors who exercise authority you give up your right to choose. That is a major theme of the Old and New Testaments from the Ten Commandments to the choice of Saul as king In 1 Samuel 8 where God said the people have already rejected me.

Modern Christians like Mr MB actually reject God everyday. That is why they are forever studying but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.

2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They give the power to choose for them to the Saul's and Nimrods of the World in order to feel safe and get benefits and then complain about the fact that they take and take and take. Terms of the Times
From the book The Higher Liberty, Sec. 4
http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/termsofthetimes.php

Someone else commented that "Romans 13 is talking about christian leaders....." But Christ was king of a government that operated by freewill offerings just like early Israel not like the temple tax imposed by men like Herod and the Pharisees.

Christ said he would take the kingdom away from the Pharisees who were not bearing fruit and give it to His "little flock", which he did. When he appointed that kingdom to what we call the Church they were not to provide for the needy by force like the gentile governments but by charity and love.

Again 200 years ago the Church did that but now most Christians get 90% of their welfare from public education to healthcare or even care for their parents from those Benefactors who exercise authority. So how can they say they are following Christ?

They are not and their churches are designed to make them feel good about disobeying Christ and coveting their neighbors goods through those other governments. Yes most of these Modern Christian ministers do not exercise authority but then they do not provide a Daily ministration by faith, hope and charity and the "Perfect law of liberty" like the early Church.

He went on to say "I wouldn't mind overthrowing the Gov't ..... by Grace (Changing Hearts).....we could do it if we appoint Christian into office. Unfortunately it seems when they get into office or on these news talk shows they lose all remembrance of scripture. "

Christians did not try to elect new Roman governors because they were the ones who were "... saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus." Acts 17:7

Thousands of Jews accepted Christ as king at Pentecost and began taking care of one another using the charity of Pure Religion.

In every country the officers people would elect would be those men who would exercise authority one over the other. These leaders would become corrupted by that power given them, just like Saul.

What we need is real Christians practicing Pure Religion but He was right, that would take a change of heart called repentance.

http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/religion.php

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↑ http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate05.html Pontius Pilate article by Jona Lendering
↑ So said R. Ishmael. R. Aqiba, however, says:
↑ John 9:22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

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[1] ttp://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate05.html Pontius Pilate article by Jona Lendering

[2] So said R. Ishmael. R. Aqiba, however, says:

[3] John 9:22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

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 Mr. MB did not disproved the meaning of "corban" teaching at all. He quoted the Talmud. Everyone who knows Christ and the Bible knows that many of the Jews had it wrong. Many Jewish scholars did not have eyes to see the message of Christ back then and the same is true today for Christians and Jews.
+The idea that Corban was not a part of social welfare of Judea and certainly Israel is blatantly false.
 "For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land." Deuteronomy 15:11
+Some imagine that it was a temple tax only but from the beginning Israel was a network of [[Altars]] that provided for the needs of the people in some form of social welfare. That is what [[Religion]] meant and Mose said to love thy neighbor as thyself. Your neighbor was a part of the social network of Israel because he contributed to it regularly with [[Freewill offerings]] which was his sacrifice on living [[Altars]] composed of Levites who owned all things in common.
-The idea that Corban was not a part of social welfare of Judea and certainly Israel is blatantly false.
+They had the [[reins]] of control over the sacrifices of the people and could eat of the sacrifices of the people but they had no personal estate but held land in common with what might be called a [[Legal title]] with all other recognized Levites. There inheritance was not a private estate because they belonged to God. Their inheritance was the [[Kingdom of God]] in service to the people and the tabernacle or tents of the congregations.
+Even the Talmud which is often full of the apostasies of Judaism gone astray mentions this in the Mishna.
-"The treasury Flavius Josephus describes as Corbonas is known from Jewish sources as Qorban, and Jewish law permitted the use of money from this treasures for social welfare and public works (Mishna Šeqalim 4.2)." <Ref>http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate05.html ''Pontius Pilate'' article by Jona Lendering</Ref>
+: "The treasury Flavius Josephus describes as Corbonas is known from Jewish sources as Qorban, and Jewish law permitted the use of money from this treasures for social welfare and public works (Mishna Šeqalim 4.2)." <Ref>http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate05.html ''Pontius Pilate'' article by Jona Lendering</Ref>
-"Sanctified moneys or contributions for the poor are not dealt with for profit." <Ref>So said R. Ishmael. R. Aqiba, however, says: </Ref>
+" "Sanctified moneys or contributions for the poor are not dealt with for profit." <Ref>So said R. Ishmael. R. Aqiba, however, says: </Ref>
 Many Christian scholars do not agree on what Christ meant and said about many things. Faith is a gift. Understanding the gospel is a gift. It is clear that Mr. MB does not have eyes to see nor ears to see the true gospel.
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 http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/corban.php
+How did the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] make the word of God to none effect?
-Judea like modern Christianity was in apostasy just like you Michael. Mr. MB, like many [[Modern Christians]], wants to think it is okay to covet your neighbor's goods as long as you do it through the governments you elect, your [[Benefactors]] of force.
+It was no longer by a [[Freewill offerings|Freewill offering]] or [[Charity]] to the National [[Network]]ing minister of your choice according to the [[Perfect law of liberty]]. The right to choose what to give and how much to give and to whom to give was no longer yours but belonged to the [[Benefactors]] who exercise authority one over the other and the [[Fathers]] of the earth who you make agreements with so you can get benefits and rewards at the expense of your neighbor.
+Judea like modern Christianity was in apostasy just like you Mr. MB. Like many [[Modern Christians]] they  want to think it is okay to covet their neighbor's goods and force them to contribute as long as it is done through the governments they elect, those  [[Benefactors]] of force.
 [[Modern Christians]] do not want to live by charity but by forcing their neighbor to contribute to their benefit. That has always been coveting and Moses and Jesus, and John and Paul preached against that but [[Modern Christians]] cannot see it.
@@ Line 29: / Line 38: @@
 For the record, which is easily viewed, we preach that people should live by faith, hope and charity. They should take care of the needy of their society by [[Freewill offerings]] in [[Pure Religion]] like James said. We preach what Jesus said when he told us in Luke 22:25 that we were not to be like the governments of the world that call themselves [[Benefactors]] but exercise authority one over the other. That is what Jesus clearly said and John and all the apostles said and did.
-We have never ever preached against the governments of the [[World]]. We know they are needed to keep the wicked and greedy covetous people in line and of course the "false accuser" who do not have Christ in them nor eyes to see nor ears to hear His simple message of real love. Not the impedent fruitless love you feel in modern churches.
+We have never ever preached against the governments of the [[World]]. We know they are needed to keep the wicked and greedy covetous people in line and of course the "false accuser" who do not have Christ in them nor eyes to see nor ears to hear His simple message of real love. Not the impotent fruitless love many feel in modern churches and the Pharisees practiced.
+This is the major point of John the Baptist who called for people to confess and repent and to start to take care of one another's needs through charity when they received his [[Baptism]]. But if they depended upon the temple and the forced offerings of the people in Herod's social welfare scheme they did less for their own parents and sometimes little to nothing.
+Even the blind man's parents feared being cast out of that social welfare system if they proclaimed Jesus was the Christ, the anointed king of Judea.<Ref>John 9:22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.</Ref>
+This was the major [[Christian conflict]] between the two  [[Welfare types]].
 years ago almost all social welfare was provided by churches. Today, most people go to governments of the world to obtain the benefits they desire from free education to health care. The modern social security systems of the world depend on the sacrifices of the people to provide for their "needy and elderly, including their own parents. Israel and many nations had such systems. Judea called it [[Corban]] and Rome called it Qorban and Muslims call it Korban.

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