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Caesar is a title of imperial character given to the Emperors of Rome who first held a ten year term of office as Commander in Chief of the military, army and navy.

It derives from the cognomen of Julius Caesar, the Roman dictator. The change from being a familial name to a title adopted by the Roman Emperors can be dated to about AD 68/69, the so-called "Year of the Four Emperors".

For political and personal reasons Octavian chose to emphasize his relationship with Caesar by styling himself simply "Imperator Caesar" (whereto the Roman Senate added the honorific Augustus, "Majestic" or "Venerable," in 27 BC), without any of the other elements of his full name. His successor as emperor, his stepson Tiberius, also bore the name as a matter of course; born Tiberius Claudius Nero, he was adopted by Caesar Augustus on June 26, 4 AD, as "Tiberius Julius Caesar." The precedent was set: the Emperor designated his successor by adopting him and giving him the name "Caesar."

The fourth Emperor, Claudius, was the first to assume the name "Caesar" upon accession, without having been adopted by the previous emperor; however, he was at least a member by blood of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, being the maternal great-nephew of Augustus on his mother's side, the nephew of Tiberius, and the uncle of Caligula. Claudius in turn adopted his stepson and grand-nephew Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, giving him the name "Caesar" in the traditional way; his stepson would rule as the Emperor Nero.

Although the etymology of the name of Julius Caesar is not known with certainty, many scholars believe that it was simply a use of the Latin expression caesar meaning hairy.

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The message below is incorrect in its interpretation of events and the way tribute works. It is not a "careful and thoughtful reading of this scripture " but wishful thinking.

Some people thing that Jesus' comments about tribute paid to Caesar means Jesus is justifying all taxes while others think he was cleverly saying we should not pay taxes. Neither are true. Jesus was saying if you owe Caesar pay him what you owe him but also give to God what he is owed too.

Why do you owe taxes and is taxation theft or is taxation justice?

First, the reason the silver denarii had Caesars image on it was because those coins actually belonged to Caesar who only loaned them into circulation through the creation of government projects and would be recollected through taxes or tribute with interest or fees for the "use" of his roads and harbors or coliseums etc..

Secondly, the use of Caesars image was a violation of the Pharisees private interpretation of idolatry.

But there was another tribute tax which was used to fund the Corban of the pharisees and Rome. Rome gave free bread and other welfare in Judea. If you were registered in the Corban scheme of Herod and the Pharisees you owed another tax. This was the Corban that made the word of God o none effect and caused the people to do no more ought for their parents.

This was a social security welfare system.

Rome provided free bread and circuses and the protection of its Pax Romana and, in return, faithful allegiance. A reciprocating tithing or tax was due the Soter of Rome.

All Jews of Judea did not hate Rome. Many loved and desired their protection, generosity, and social security; besides, they were good for business. There were rebels, as always. There was corruption, as always. The Caesars were the protector of their peace, the benefactors of their welfare. He was one of the fathers of the earth that people look to to provide for them.

The Emperor (Emperator, emperatoris m. commander in chief. Collins L.E. Dict. ‘62.), the commander-in-chief of the multinational military force that kept the peace throughout the world. Caesar was a god of His world and the table he set before the people which they did freely eat despite God's warnings.

“When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat....

Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee. The morsel [which] thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.” (Proverbs 23:1,2,3... 6, 8)

“The annual Temple-tribute was allowed to be transported to Jerusalem, and the alienation of these funds by the civil magistrates treated as sacrilege. As the Jews objected to bear arms, or march, on the Sabbath, they were freed from military service. On similar grounds, they were not obliged to appear in courts of law on their holy days. Augustus even ordered that, when the public distribution of corn or of money among the citizens fell on a Sabbath, the Jews were to receive their share on the following day. In a similar spirit the Roman authorities confirmed a decree by which the founder of Antioch, Seleucus I. (Nicator, [d Ob.280 B.C.]) had granted the Jews the right of citizenship in all the cities of Asia Minor and Syria which he had built, and the privilege of receiving, instead of the oil that was distributed, which their religion forbade them to use, [e Ab. Sar ii. 6] an equivalent in money. [Jos.Ant. Xii. 3. 1]. These rights were maintained by Vespasian and Titus even after the last Jewish war, not with standing the earnest remonstrances of these cities. No wonder, that at the death of Caesar the Jews of Rome gathered for many nights, waking strange feelings of awe in the city, as they chanted in mournful melodies their Psalms around the pyre on which the body of their benefactor had been burnt, and raised their pathetic dirges." Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah Chapt. V

If you have the government number that allows you to eat at their table and have taken any benefits with that number from employment to the care of your parents or public education then you are probably under tribute obligation and owe the tax. Desiring any benefits at the expense of your neighbor are covetous practices that curse children with debt and entangle them in the elements of the world. Most people owe tribute to Caesar because their parents have cursed them with those covetous practices of applying for benefits at the expense of their neighbor.

“And their ownership was based upon the truth that if you have not your own rations you must feed out of your Tribe’s hands: with all that that implies. ” Rudyard Kipling A Book of Words, XXIV “Independence”.

Once one generation goes the way of the Nimrod and create the Yoke of bondage it will pass from generation to generation like it did in Egypt.

The only way back is to go the way of John the Baptist and Jesus the Christ and set the table of the Lord, which is the Corban of righteousness.

Are you building a Living Network with a daily ministration through Pure Religion and the Perfect law of liberty?

“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force, like fire,

it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

When government collects taxes by force simply because your neighbors want more benefits, more free bread, more medical assistance, more gratuities, does everyone not take part in the violence?

“And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.” (Exodus. 23: 8)

Until people stop being slothful in the ways of God they will remain in bondage to the Fathers of the world.

Proverbs 12:24 "The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

The warnings are explicit throughout the Bible:

"Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods." Exodus 23:32

But People and their parents have.

No one would owe Tribute if people had been caring for the welfare Link titleof one another through daily tithe in a network of love and charity.

They have become a surety for debt because of their covetous actions and sloth and that of their parents. The debt all governments have created is a snare and a trap and you cannot make that go away with wishful thinking.

You cannot just set yourself free.

You must Repent and seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.

Use this Network to find and Join a congregation of record (CORE)and set the table of the Lord with your freewill offerings in hope by faith and charity.

Teach your Minister to be good servants in the Kingdom.

Seek to do the will of Christ and the Father in heaven.

“…Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, .... Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” (Mtt 6:9,13)

Don't pretend or play church, Be the Church, Be the Kingdom.

In the meantime be friends with the unrighteous Mammon.

Pay you Tale of bricks but glean in the field for your benefits.

Gregory

Re: [HHC TransTasman] Who's Who

Hi Mark, it has been a while.

I guess there are a few things to be said.

With regard to rendering to Caesar I think you have not understood the passage.

That passage starts with the Pharisee's and Herodian's coming to trap Jesus. These two groups were enemies who came together to attempt to destroy what they perceived as a mutual threat to their power - Jesus. Herod was King but his rule was only at the behest of the Roman occupiers. I like to think of the Herodian's as being the Vichy government of their day. (The Vichy government was the French government during WW2 that collaborated with the German army of occupation. They were seen as traitors by most frenchmen).

To be effective their trap needed two jaws, the Pharisee's were one and the Herodian's were the other.

Clearly then if Jesus said DO NOT pay tribute (and note here the correct translation is tribute and not tax, and further that tribute has connotations of rendering honour and servitude) to Caesar the Herodian's would run like dogs to report this to their Roman masters and Jesus would be arrested.

So one arm of the trap is explained.

It must be equally clear that if Jesus said DO pay tribute to Caesar that this would somehow land him in trouble with the Jews. How? Simply that every Jew listening to Jesus ministry would walk away if He instructed them to pay tribute to Caesar because they all knew the law. What law? You shall honour no other God but Me. (Remember Caesar proclaimed himself a god). The Pharisee's and all the Jews knew they should not be paying tribute to Caesar. If this was not so then the second jaw of the trap is of no effect and there is no trap. You see if Jews believed it was acceptable in God's sight to pay tribute to Caesar then where is their point of contention?

So Jesus answered in a riddle. He called for a denarii - a coin made of silver. Then asked whose superscript was on the coin. The answer - Caesar's. So render to God what is God's and render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Before explaining the riddle lets jump to the end of the passage.

Scripture says the Pharisee's and the Herodian's were AMAZED at His answer. Further both groups realised they had no complaint to bring against Him.

So did Jesus really say "pay them both"? Is that AMAZING? I personally find it less than amazing. In fact its underwhelming and a little perfunctory. It's probably the lame answer I would have given in that situation.

The truth is everyone expected Jesus to say DO NOT pay Caesar. And indeed that is exactly what He did say. But He said it in code.

So what is the riddle? Jesus told you what belongs to Caesar, an inscription. A nothing. An image. A scratch. Therefore render him nothing.

But as to the substance of the coin, that was silver, and that belongs to God. "All the gold and all the silver are Mine declares the Lord". Its not a perfect quote from scripture but the sentiment is correct. Look it up.

And THAT is why they were AMAZED. Jesus told them to give Caesar the nothing he deserved but he did it in such a way that when His words were reported they would not be able to be construed such as to allow the Romans to bring a charge against Him.

Think it through. What trap is there if the correct answer is "pay them both"? What amazement is there in such an answer? A careful and thoughtful reading of this scripture reveals the truth, just as it reveals the superficial study given this passage by all those who have stood at a pulpit and preached this passage is instructing you to "pay both".

Second I would like to stay on the list. :)

Regards, Tony

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+== Caesar a title ==
 Caesar is a title of imperial character given to the Emperors of Rome who first held a ten year term of office as ''Commander in Chief'' of the military, army and navy.
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 The fourth Emperor, Claudius, was the first to assume the name "Caesar" upon accession, without having been adopted by the previous emperor; however, he was at least a member by blood of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, being the maternal great-nephew of Augustus on his mother's side, the nephew of Tiberius, and the uncle of Caligula. Claudius in turn adopted his stepson and grand-nephew Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, giving him the name "Caesar" in the traditional way; his stepson would rule as the Emperor Nero.
-Although the etymology of the name of Julius Caesar is not known with certainty, many scholars believe that it was simply a use of the Latin expression caesar meaning hairy.
+Although the etymology of the name of Julius Caesar is not known with certainty, many scholars believe that it was simply a use of the Latin expression ''caesar'' meaning hairy.
+== letter on tax ==
+In response to the letter bellow:
+The message below is incorrect in its interpretation of events and the way tribute works. It is not a "careful and thoughtful reading of this scripture " but wishful thinking.
+Some people thing that  Jesus' comments about tribute paid to Caesar means Jesus is justifying all taxes while others think he was cleverly saying we should not pay taxes. Neither are true. Jesus was saying if you owe Caesar pay him what you owe him but also give to God what he is owed too.
+Why do you owe taxes and is [[taxation]] theft or is '''[[taxation]]''' justice?
+First, the reason the silver denarii had Caesars image on it was because those coins actually belonged to [[Caesar]] who only loaned them into circulation through the creation of government projects and would be recollected  through taxes or [[tribute]] with interest or fees for the "use" of his roads and harbors or coliseums etc..
+Secondly, the use of Caesars image was a violation of the [[Pharisees]] private interpretation of idolatry.
+But there was another tribute tax which was used to fund the [[Corban]] of the pharisees and [[Rome]]. Rome gave free bread and other welfare in Judea. If you were registered in the Corban scheme of [[Herod]] and the Pharisees you owed another tax. This was the '''[[Corban]]''' that made the word of God o none effect and caused the people to do no more ought for their parents.
+This was a [[social security]] welfare system.
+[[Rome]] provided free bread and circuses and the protection of its Pax Romana and, in return, faithful allegiance. A reciprocating tithing or tax was due the Soter of Rome.
+All Jews of Judea did not hate [[Rome]]. Many loved and desired their protection, generosity, and social security; besides, they were good for business. There were rebels, as always. There was corruption, as always. The Caesars were the protector of their peace, the [[benefactors]] of their [[welfare]]. He was one of the ''[[fathers]] of the earth'' that people look to to provide for them.
+The Emperor ([[Emperator]], emperatoris m. commander in chief. Collins L.E. Dict. ‘62.), the commander-in-chief of the multinational military force that kept the peace throughout the [[world]]. [[Caesar]] was a [[Gods|god]] of His [[world]] and the table he set before the people which they did freely eat despite God's warnings.
+*    “When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:  And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat....
+Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an '''[[Divers lusts|evil eye]]''', neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee. The morsel [which] thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.” ([[Proverbs 23]]:1,2,3... 6, 8)
+* “The annual Temple-tribute was allowed to be transported to Jerusalem, and the alienation of these funds by the civil magistrates treated as sacrilege. As the Jews objected to bear arms, or march, on the Sabbath, they were freed from military service. On similar grounds, they were not obliged to appear in courts of law on their holy days. Augustus even ordered that, when the public distribution of corn or of money among the citizens fell on a Sabbath, the Jews were to receive their share on the following day. In a similar spirit the Roman authorities confirmed a decree by which the founder of Antioch, Seleucus I. (Nicator, [d Ob.280 B.C.]) had granted the Jews the right of citizenship in all the cities of Asia Minor and Syria which he had built, and the privilege of receiving, instead of the oil that was distributed, which their religion forbade them to use, [e Ab. Sar ii. 6] an equivalent in money. [Jos.Ant. Xii. 3. 1]. These rights were maintained by Vespasian and Titus even after the last Jewish war, not with standing the earnest remonstrances of these cities. No wonder, that at the death of Caesar the Jews of Rome gathered for many nights, waking strange feelings of awe in the city, as they chanted in mournful melodies their Psalms around the pyre on which the body of their benefactor had been burnt, and raised their pathetic dirges." Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah Chapt. V
+'''If you have the government number that allows you to eat at their table and have taken any [[benefits]] with that number from [[employ]]ment to the [[care]] of your parents or [[public education]] then you are probably under [[tribute]] obligation and owe the tax.''' Desiring any '''[[benefits]]''' at the expense of your neighbor are '''[[covetous practices]]''' that '''[[curse children]]''' with debt and entangle them in the '''[[elements]]''' of the [[world]]. Most people owe tribute to Caesar because their parents have cursed them with those [[covetous practices]] of applying for [[benefits]] at the expense of their neighbor.
+*        “And their ownership was based upon the truth that if you have not your own rations you must feed out of your Tribe’s hands: with all that that implies. ” Rudyard Kipling A Book of Words, XXIV “Independence”.
+Once one generation goes the way of the [[Nimrod]] and create the [[Yoke]] of bondage it will pass from generation to generation like it did in [[Egypt]].
+The only way back is to go the way of [[John the Baptist]] and [[Jesus]] the [[Christ]] and set the table of the Lord, which is the [[Corban]] of [[righteousness]].
+Are you building a [[Living Network]] with a [[daily ministration]] through [[Pure Religion]] and the [[Perfect law of liberty]]?
+*    “Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force, like fire,
+:    it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
+When government collects taxes by force simply because your neighbors want more benefits, more free bread, more medical assistance, more gratuities, does everyone not take part in the violence?
+*    “And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.” (Exodus. 23: 8)
+Until people stop being [[slothful]] in the ways of God they will remain in [[bondage]] to the [[Fathers]] of the [[world]].
+[[Proverbs 12]]:24 "The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the [[slothful]] shall be under [[tribute]].
+The warnings are explicit throughout the Bible:
+*  "Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their [[gods]]." [[Exodus 23]]:32
+But People and their parents have.
+No one would owe [[Tribute]] if people had been caring for the [[welfare]] [[Link title]]of one another through daily [[tithe]] in a [[network]] of [[love]]  and [[charity]].
+They have become a [[surety]] for debt because of their [[Covetous practices|covetous actions]] and [[sloth]] and that of their parents. The debt all governments have created is a [[Snare|snare and a trap]] and you cannot make that go away with ''wishful thinking''.
+You cannot just set yourself free.
+You must [[Repent]] and [[seek]] the [[Kingdom of God]] and His [[righteousness]].
+Use this [[Network]] to find and Join a congregation of record ([[CORE]])and set the table of the Lord with your [[freewill offerings]] in hope by [[faith]] and [[charity]].
+Teach your Minister to be good servants in the Kingdom.
+Seek to do the will of Christ and the Father in heaven.
+*    “…Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, .... Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” (Mtt 6:9,13)
+Don't pretend or play church, Be the [[Church]], Be the Kingdom.
+In the meantime be friends with the unrighteous [[Mammon]].
+Pay you Tale of bricks but glean in the field for your benefits.
+Gregory
+----
+Re: [HHC TransTasman] Who's Who
+Hi Mark, it has been a while.
+I guess there are a few things to be said.
+With regard to rendering to Caesar I think you have not understood the passage.
+That passage starts with the Pharisee's and Herodian's coming to trap Jesus. These two groups were enemies who came together to attempt to destroy what they perceived as a mutual threat to their power - Jesus. Herod was King but his rule was only at the behest of the Roman occupiers. I like to think of the Herodian's as being the Vichy government of their day. (The Vichy government was the French government during WW2 that collaborated with the German army of occupation. They were seen as traitors by most frenchmen).
+To be effective their trap needed two jaws, the Pharisee's were one and the Herodian's were the other.
+Clearly then if Jesus said DO NOT pay tribute (and note here the correct translation is tribute and not tax, and further that tribute has connotations of rendering honour and servitude) to Caesar the Herodian's would run like dogs to report this to their Roman masters and Jesus would be arrested.
+So one arm of the trap is explained.
+It must be equally clear that if Jesus said DO pay tribute to Caesar that this would somehow land him in trouble with the Jews. How? Simply that every Jew listening to Jesus ministry would walk away if He instructed them to pay tribute to Caesar because they all knew the law. What law? You shall honour no other God but Me. (Remember Caesar proclaimed himself a god). The Pharisee's and all the Jews knew they should not be paying tribute to Caesar. If this was not so then the second jaw of the trap is of no effect and there is no trap. You see if Jews believed it was acceptable in God's sight to pay tribute to Caesar then where is their point of contention?
+So Jesus answered in a riddle. He called for a denarii - a coin made of silver. Then asked whose superscript was on the coin. The answer - Caesar's. So render to God what is God's and render to Caesar what is Caesar's.
+Before explaining the riddle lets jump to the end of the passage.
+Scripture says the Pharisee's and the Herodian's were AMAZED at His answer. Further both groups realised they had no complaint to bring against Him.
+So did Jesus really say "pay them both"? Is that AMAZING? I personally find it less than amazing. In fact its underwhelming and a little perfunctory. It's probably the lame answer I would have given in that situation.
+The truth is everyone expected Jesus to say DO NOT pay Caesar. And indeed that is exactly what He did say. But He said it in code.
+So what is the riddle? Jesus told you what belongs to Caesar, an inscription. A nothing. An image. A scratch. Therefore render him nothing.
+But as to the substance of the coin, that was silver, and that belongs to God. "All the gold and all the silver are Mine declares the Lord". Its not a perfect quote from scripture but the sentiment is correct. Look it up.
+And THAT is why they were AMAZED. Jesus told them to give Caesar the nothing he deserved but he did it in such a way that when His words were reported they would not be able to be construed such as to allow the Romans to bring a charge against Him.
+Think it through. What trap is there if the correct answer is "pay them both"? What amazement is there in such an answer? A careful and thoughtful reading of this scripture reveals the truth, just as it reveals the superficial study given this passage by all those who have stood at a pulpit and preached this passage is instructing you to "pay both".
+Second I would like to stay on the list. :)
+Regards,
+Tony
+{{Template:Fathers}}
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