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== Atheist == | == Atheist == | ||
When people say they are atheists do they mean they do not believe in any god or only certain ideas about the gods people often claim or profess. [[Atheism]] is defined as "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". To really understand atheism, the terms "God or gods" should be clearly understood. | |||
'' | : "''The more the [[early Christians]] reflected on the life and message of their rabbi-messiah, and the more they tried to live [[the way]] of the gospel, the harder they [[Christian conflict|collided with the state]] and its hopes and dreams, militaries and markets. In fact, Christians in those first few hundred years were called [[atheist]]s because they no longer believed in the Roman gospel; they no longer had any [[faith]] in the state as savior of the [[world]].''" <ref>[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310687519/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0310687519&linkCode=as2&tag=eatonessentia-20 Jesus for President Pack: Politics for Ordinary Radicals]; Shane Claiborne; Section III: When the Empire Got Baptized; p141.</ref> | ||
The [[early Church]] were accused by [[Rome]] of [[atheism]].<Ref>“[[Justin the Martyr|Justin]], when refuting the charge of atheism writes, “We reverence and [[worship]] the [[Father]], and the Son, and the host of other good messengers (or angels), and the Prophetic Spirit,” And, “You call us [[atheist]]is: the charge is not true, for we not only believe in one God, who was sent by God.”” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia By James Orr</Ref> There are [[gods]] many but who are those [[gods]]? | The [[early Church]] were accused and charged by [[Rome]] and its courts of [[atheism]].<Ref>“[[Justin the Martyr|Justin]], when refuting the charge of atheism writes, “We reverence and [[worship]] the [[Father]], and the Son, and the host of other good messengers (or angels), and the Prophetic Spirit,” And, “You call us [[atheist]]is: the charge is not true, for we not only believe in one God, who was sent by God.”” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia By James Orr</Ref> Partly because they said ''there was another King one Jesus'',<Ref name-"another">[[Acts 17]]:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of [[Caesar]], saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.</Ref> who they called the [[Son of God]] which one of the official titles of [[Caesar]] along with [[Apotheos]], the ''appointer of gods''. There are [[gods]] many but who are those [[gods]]? | ||
What and how were they [[worship]]ped? | What and how were they [[worship]]ped? | ||
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Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. [[Religion]] is simply society's social [[welfare]] safety net. [[Religion]] is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that [[Pure Religion|PURE religion]] is taking care of the needy without centralized government... | Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. [[Religion]] is simply society's social [[welfare]] safety net. [[Religion]] is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that [[Pure Religion|PURE religion]] is taking care of the needy without centralized government... | ||
"''[[Pure Religion|Pure religion]] and undefiled before God and the [[Father]] is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the [[world]].''" [ | "''[[Pure Religion|Pure religion]] and undefiled before God and the [[Father]] is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the [[world]].''" [https://bible.cc/james/1-27.htm [[James 1]]:27] | ||
That word "[[world]]" is translated from the word "[[kosmos]]" which simply means ''"an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."'' [ | That word "[[world]]" is translated from the word "[[kosmos]]" which simply means ''"an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."'' [https://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php My kingdom is not of this world]... | ||
True Christians and true atheists are seen by their [[fruit]]s... they have no need of centralized governments because they already have decentralized systems in place. | True Christians and true atheists are seen by their [[fruit]]s... they have no need of centralized governments because they already have decentralized systems in place. | ||
Both groups would do well to study the [ | Both groups would do well to study the [https://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/Essenes2.php Essenes] to understand what the term "Christian" really meant 2000 years ago. | ||
{{#ev:youtube|P0A_iF1B3k0|300|right|A belief in a personal version of [[Religion]] or a [[denomination]] is often a vain belief in your emotional opinion about God. | {{#ev:youtube|P0A_iF1B3k0|300|right|God got it right but gave man a choice to eat of the [[tree of life]] or the [[tree of knowledge]]. The latter will bear the fruit of confusion in the mind of those who do not love the light of truth. A belief in a ''personal version'' of [[Religion]] or a [[Denominations|denomination]] is often a [[vain]] belief in your emotional opinion about God. If your belief in an opinion or [[Graven images|image of God]] is not accurate then it is not the God of creation that you believe in but probably one of the [[gods|gods many]] mentioned in the [[Bible]]. Your actions and deeds are a part of what you confess to be true. You will show evidence of the truth or falseness of your [[faith]]. Faith in ''your opinion about God'' is not necessarily the original meaning of [[Religion]]. The Religions represented in the video all look to ''men who [[exercise authority]]<Ref>[[Matthew 20]]:25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great [[exercise authority]] upon them. | ||
: [[Mark 10]]:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones [[exercise authority]] upon them. | : [[Mark 10]]:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones [[exercise authority]] upon them. | ||
: [[Luke 22]]:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that [[exercise authority]] upon them are called [[benefactors]].</Ref> one over the other but call themselves [[Benefactors]]'' ignore [[the way]] and [[ | : [[Luke 22]]:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that [[exercise authority]] upon them are called [[benefactors]].</Ref> one over the other but call themselves [[Benefactors]]''. They ignore [[the way]] and [[Word of God|the words]] of Christ. They are all engaged in the modern systems of [[Corban]] and eat the dainties of rulers through [[covet]]ous systems of [[social security]] through the [[welfare state]]s of the [[world]] which ''make the [[Corban|words of God]] to none effect'' because they are the [[covetous practices]] that makes them all [[workers of iniquity]]. }} | ||
== Modern Atheists == | == Modern Atheists == | ||
Atheists can be very religious people if you define religion as "what you think about a supreme being" which some dictionaries suggest. However at the same time even if you use the old definition found in Bouviers' Law Dictionary <Ref>“Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men”</Ref>. Piety was defined as the duty to your [[Father]] and Mother and through them to others within your [[community]]. | |||
Atheists | |||
In other words [[Religion]] used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took [[care]] of its needy, with its social [[Welfare|welfare]], within their society, and the [[Gods|gods]] of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.<Ref>[[Judges 10]]:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.</Ref> | In other words [[Religion]] used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took [[care]] of its needy, with its social [[Welfare|welfare]], within their society, and the [[Gods|gods]] of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.<Ref>[[Judges 10]]:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.</Ref> | ||
The truth is the [[early Christians]] were often [[Christian conflict|persecuted]] by the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]] for being [[Atheist|atheists]] because they had a God they could not see. After all, what do you think the Romans and Greeks were doing in their [[Temples]]? | |||
Because these man-made gods were [[Benefactors]] who exercised authority one over the other, their systems of sacrifice or [[Corban]] were not [[Freewill offerings]] but | The modern [[atheist]] does have a religious belief in gods and supreme beings of the [[world]] who they pray to for their [[salvation]] and [[protection]] at the [[temples]] of his [[public religion]]. His or her religion is the god and gods of government who takes [[care]] of the needy by [[force]], [[fear]] and [[fealty]]. They demand his [[employ|service]] and [[allegiance]]. He is willing to live at the expense of his or her neighbor through [[covetous practices]] and institutes the rule of violence. The gods of government are the ''[[Gods|gods many]]'' Paul spoke of in [[1 Corinthians 8]]:5 "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)" | ||
These are the same [[Gods|gods]] with which we were not to make covenants, according to [[Exodus 23]]:32 "Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods." The Bible they do not understand, written by the revelation of the God of the Bible gave them the secret of the [[perfect law of liberty]] under that God of the [[Law of Nature]]. | |||
=== Religion of socialism === | |||
[[Image:Religion-latin.jpg|320px|right|thumb| There are [[Welfare types|two types]] of [[religion]] in the [[world]] today. There is [[public religion]] or [[civil religion]] that compel the offerings of the people and demands [[Employ|their service]], a portion if their labor, like in the [[bondage of Egypt]] and then their is [[Pure Religion]] that is unspotted by the [[force]], [[fear]], and [[fealty]] of the [[world]] which provides a [[daily ministration]] through [[faith]], [[hope]], and [[charity]].<Br>The former binds the people in [[captivity]] sealed with [[the bands]] of endless debt and [[bondage]], while the latter sets the [[captive]] free but binds the people only with the [[social bonds]] of that mutual [[fervent charity]] and [[love]] for one another.]] | |||
Most modern [[Atheist]]s are often [[Socialist|socialist]] today. | |||
: “[[Socialism]] is the [[Religion|religion]] people get when they lose their [[Pure Religion|religion]]”<Ref>Richard John Neuhaus, 1936 – 2009, prominent American clergyman. </Ref> | |||
Those who depend on the [[Gods|gods]] of government to collect the [[sacrifices]] of the [[masses]] on [[altars]] of [[civil religion]] and redistribute those offerings through the [[tables]] and [[temples]] of the [[Welfare state]] always become [[Human resources|merchandise]] and eventually through their [[covetous practices]] will [[curse children]] with endless [[debt]]. This is what Jesus called the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]], which made the [[word of God]], the [[Logos]], [[Right Reason]] to none effect, because it is not reasonable that you sell you neighbor into bondage and expect to remain free. | |||
Often the ruler chose or at least oversaw the appointment of these ''[[exercise authority|authoritarian ministers]]'' of society and were given titles like [[Apotheos]] or even [[Father]], or even the [[Son of God]]. | |||
Because these man-made gods were [[Benefactors]] ''who exercised authority one over the other'', their systems of [[sacrifice]] or [[Corban]] were not [[Freewill offerings]] but [[force]]d or what was called [[tribute]]. This is why the God of heaven said through [[Moses]] and [[Christ]], we are to [[Love|love your neighbor as yourself]] through [[fervent charity]] and not [[bite]] one another through the [[covetous practices|covetous practice]] of compelled offerings ''made the word of God to none effect'' and eventually [[degenerate]] the people into [[perfect savages]] whose leaders become perverse [[tyrants]]. | |||
This is why many [[socialist]]s do not want any moral criteria to getting [[benefits]] from their [[benefactors]]. They want entitlements no matter if they are moral or not. In fact, one of the great attractions to being an atheist is that there is little or no moral accountability. | This is why many [[socialist]]s do not want any moral criteria to getting [[benefits]] from their [[benefactors]]. They want entitlements no matter if they are moral or not. In fact, one of the great attractions to being an atheist is that there is little or no moral accountability. | ||
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Atheist
When people say they are atheists do they mean they do not believe in any god or only certain ideas about the gods people often claim or profess. Atheism is defined as "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". To really understand atheism, the terms "God or gods" should be clearly understood.
- "The more the early Christians reflected on the life and message of their rabbi-messiah, and the more they tried to live the way of the gospel, the harder they collided with the state and its hopes and dreams, militaries and markets. In fact, Christians in those first few hundred years were called atheists because they no longer believed in the Roman gospel; they no longer had any faith in the state as savior of the world." [1]
The early Church were accused and charged by Rome and its courts of atheism.[2] Partly because they said there was another King one Jesus,[3] who they called the Son of God which one of the official titles of Caesar along with Apotheos, the appointer of gods. There are gods many but who are those gods?
What and how were they worshipped?
Have we made covenants with strange gods and do we now bow down and serve them?
After all what do you think the Romans and Greeks were doing in their Temples where the business of their governments took place?
So, what we have today are false Christians and false atheists fighting with each other while both groups obliviously worship/serve/honor/obey/elect the "gods many" in their governments of coercion through the socialist welfare state where it is deemed good to covet your neighbors' goods through the exercising authority of men who call themselves benefactors and judges of what is good and evil for you.
True Christians and true atheists happily co-exist while striving for a government based on respecting each other's liberty. They are generally called Libertarians or labelled Anarchists today. On the other hand, the "worship" of current false Christians and false atheists is based upon coveting their neighbor's goods. They elect "gods many" to force their neighbors to pay for their child's education (public school), to finance their retirement (social security), to keep records of birth, marriage, land ownership, etc. So if your neighbor refuses this form of worship and does not pay for your wantonness, your "gods many" will take away their property and imprison them on your behalf.
In the modern society of covetous practices they have chosen the wages of unrighteousness[4] over the perfect law of liberty which allows the people to bite one another with their appetite for the dainties of rulers and then they wonder why the masses have been devoured.[5]
Those who are called Christians today would have been called Pharisees 2000 years ago and would crucify Jesus now just like they did then. (What! This Jesus character is suggesting his followers run a nation based on freewill offerings with ministers—government officials—who have no authority! That's not patriotic. Crucify him!)
Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. Religion is simply society's social welfare safety net. Religion is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that PURE religion is taking care of the needy without centralized government...
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27
That word "world" is translated from the word "kosmos" which simply means "an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government." My kingdom is not of this world...
True Christians and true atheists are seen by their fruits... they have no need of centralized governments because they already have decentralized systems in place.
Both groups would do well to study the Essenes to understand what the term "Christian" really meant 2000 years ago.
Modern Atheists
Atheists can be very religious people if you define religion as "what you think about a supreme being" which some dictionaries suggest. However at the same time even if you use the old definition found in Bouviers' Law Dictionary [7]. Piety was defined as the duty to your Father and Mother and through them to others within your community.
In other words Religion used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took care of its needy, with its social welfare, within their society, and the gods of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.[8]
The truth is the early Christians were often persecuted by the Imperial Cult of Rome for being atheists because they had a God they could not see. After all, what do you think the Romans and Greeks were doing in their Temples?
The modern atheist does have a religious belief in gods and supreme beings of the world who they pray to for their salvation and protection at the temples of his public religion. His or her religion is the god and gods of government who takes care of the needy by force, fear and fealty. They demand his service and allegiance. He is willing to live at the expense of his or her neighbor through covetous practices and institutes the rule of violence. The gods of government are the gods many Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 8:5 "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)"
These are the same gods with which we were not to make covenants, according to Exodus 23:32 "Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods." The Bible they do not understand, written by the revelation of the God of the Bible gave them the secret of the perfect law of liberty under that God of the Law of Nature.
Religion of socialism
The former binds the people in captivity sealed with the bands of endless debt and bondage, while the latter sets the captive free but binds the people only with the social bonds of that mutual fervent charity and love for one another.
Most modern Atheists are often socialist today.
Those who depend on the gods of government to collect the sacrifices of the masses on altars of civil religion and redistribute those offerings through the tables and temples of the Welfare state always become merchandise and eventually through their covetous practices will curse children with endless debt. This is what Jesus called the Corban of the Pharisees, which made the word of God, the Logos, Right Reason to none effect, because it is not reasonable that you sell you neighbor into bondage and expect to remain free.
Often the ruler chose or at least oversaw the appointment of these authoritarian ministers of society and were given titles like Apotheos or even Father, or even the Son of God.
Because these man-made gods were Benefactors who exercised authority one over the other, their systems of sacrifice or Corban were not Freewill offerings but forced or what was called tribute. This is why the God of heaven said through Moses and Christ, we are to love your neighbor as yourself through fervent charity and not bite one another through the covetous practice of compelled offerings made the word of God to none effect and eventually degenerate the people into perfect savages whose leaders become perverse tyrants.
This is why many socialists do not want any moral criteria to getting benefits from their benefactors. They want entitlements no matter if they are moral or not. In fact, one of the great attractions to being an atheist is that there is little or no moral accountability.
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- ↑ Jesus for President Pack: Politics for Ordinary Radicals; Shane Claiborne; Section III: When the Empire Got Baptized; p141.
- ↑ “Justin, when refuting the charge of atheism writes, “We reverence and worship the Father, and the Son, and the host of other good messengers (or angels), and the Prophetic Spirit,” And, “You call us atheistis: the charge is not true, for we not only believe in one God, who was sent by God.”” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia By James Orr
- ↑ Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.
- ↑ 2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
- ↑ Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
- Micah 3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
- Habakkuk 2:7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?
- Jeremiah 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which [will] not [be] charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.
- Amos 9:3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:
- ↑ Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
- Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
- Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
- ↑ “Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men”
- ↑ Judges 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
- ↑ Richard John Neuhaus, 1936 – 2009, prominent American clergyman.
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