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Some will add to this that there was a resurrection of the dead both spiritually and physically.<Ref>[[Matthew 27]]:53 "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."</Ref>
Some will add to this that there needed to be a resurrection of the dead. Of course, there was a resurrection of the dead both spiritually and physically.<Ref>[[Matthew 27]]:53 "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."</Ref>
 
Those who became followers of Christ and did what he commanded were literally the new Jews or citizens of Judea. The ministers of His Kingdom ''worked daily in the temple rightly dividing the bread from house to house''. Those who rejected Jesus as the King called themselves Jews but they were not.<Ref>Revelation 2:9  I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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"[[Bishop]]s, presbyters([[Elder]]) and [[deacon]]s occupy in the [[church]] the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the [[Levites]] in the temple." Jerome, Ep. 146. Both the [[Levites]] and the [[early Church]] appointed by Christ were "[[Ekklesia|called out]]" to be a [[peculiar people]] who were to serve those who would [[repent]] and seek [[The Way|the ways]] of God.
 
When Jesus told his disciples "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple." the word hath meant their ''property''.<Ref> 5224 ~ὑπάρχοντα~ huparchonta \@hoop-ar’-khon-tah\@ neuter plural of present participle active of 5225 as noun; ; v participle AV-goods 7, that (one) has 4, things which (one) possesses 2, substance 1; 14 1) possessions, goods, wealth, property</Ref> [[Luke 14]]:33 
: '''Both the [[early Church]] ministers [[appoint]]ed by the Christ and the [[Levites]]''' owned property but they held it in common<Ref>Acts 2:44  And all that believed were together, and had [[all things common]];
Acts 4:32  And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.</Ref> as join heirs<Ref>Romans 8:17 "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together."</Ref> because the ordained ministers of the Church or "[[Ekklesia|called out]]" and the "[[Ekklesia|called out]]" of Moses were to belong to God and serve the people who depended on charity rather than force to provide the [[Welfare|welfare]] or [[Pure Religion]] of God.
:  The [[Church legally defined|Legal definition of the Church]] was also a group of people called out to serve with ''"corporate elements"''. They were the corpus of Christ, appointed by Him, for His purposes, and in one accord. That body of ministers ''holding all things in common'' were called out and gathered to serve the society in [[Free Assemblies]].
 


Rome steadily declined in a well populated Europe and Asia. There were may attempts to raise up new [[Nimrod]]s and [[Babylon]]... But many people lived in Peace with no real threat of world domination. After a thousand years, the adversary was unchained. Now the whole world is back in [[bondage]], numbered and serve governments that abort children by the millions to the chagrin of modern Moleck.
Rome steadily declined in a well populated Europe and Asia. There were may attempts to raise up new [[Nimrod]]s and [[Babylon]]... But many people lived in Peace with no real threat of world domination. After a thousand years, the adversary was unchained. Now the whole world is back in [[bondage]], numbered and serve governments that abort children by the millions to the chagrin of modern Moleck.

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Who is the real Jesus?

Know Jesus?

Who is the real Jesus?

Did He die for your sins?

We are told in the Gospel of John[1] that God sent His son that we might be saved.

Jesus told us many things that we might be saved.[2]

The word "MIGHT"[3] suggests that Jesus did what he came to do but some might not be saved simply because they say they love Jesus as their Lord.[4]

People who are not doers of the word may not be believers in the real Jesus.

Jesus makes it clear that "many" will think they love Him but have been deceived into believing in a false image of Jesus. These self deceived people will be told that they should get away from Him because he never knew them except as workers of iniquity.

How do we know that we are not one of those "many"?[5]

People might be deceived because of unrighteous practices and lack of love for the truth.[6]

He also told us that if we did not forgive then His Father would not forgive us.[7]

So it is not automatic that we are forgiven nor saved.

Jesus also told us to seek the Righteousness of God and that many would think they came in His name but would be told to get away from Him because they were in fact Workers of Iniquity and not Doers of the Word. Like the Pharisees before them they will be under the delusion that they have their eyes on Jesus but in truth they do not even know him. We know this because they are not bearing Fruit worthy of those who truly repent.

The modern Christian is often not doing what Christ told us to be doing. They are doing the very things that Christ condemned the Pharisees for doing.

  • He said their Corban made the word of God to none effect.
  • He told them to call no man father upon the earth.
  • He told them to attend to the Weightier matters.

Yet, most Modern Christians cannot even tell you what Corban is nor how it causes the word of God to be of no effect.

They cannot tell you who the Fathers of the earth were or are.

Neither do they know nor can tell you of Christ's checklist as to what the Weightier matters were and are.

Many of our Modern Christians not only do not have their eyes on the real Jesus, they actually do not want to even hear what He said nor keep His commandments even though He said that is the way to Eternal life.

These Modern Christians often pray to the Fathers of the earth and seek the benefits of the Benefactors who exercise authority one over the other. This is directly contrary to the Doctrines of Jesus.

What they are doing is keeping their eyes on a constructed Jesus built in their minds by false teachers. This of course is Idolatry.

To see if people really have fruits worthy of Repentance we may ask:

People followed Abraham, Moses, John the Baptist and Jesus. The altars of clay and stone was a way to create the social bonds of free people. The levites led the Israelites. And the early Church followed Christ and His Way, which was The Way, and advocated a Daily ministration that was dependent on Pure Religion through Fervent charity only. This was the Corban of Christ which was not like the system of Corban of the Pharisees nor of Rome or the systems of FDR and LBJ.
The church lost "the way" when it abandoned the practice of "pure Religion" while claiming to be the Church established by Christ. The people developed an appetite for the "wages of unrighteousness" from "public religion" in the days of Constantine. Those new Christians that often failed to fully repent degenerated the moral character of society with the masses of "instant christians".
That new religion of the emperor introduced a new faith with his apostate church replacing the doctrine of Jesus with the "doctrines of men", the Holy Spirit with emotion, the truth with the speaking of "great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage."[8]
They had a form of godliness but denied the power thereof.

Where is your religion

  • Do you only gather for the comfort it gives you, or do you gather to benefit others?
  • Christ came to serve, not be served. Do you desire to be served, or are you coming in His name and according to His character to serve others?

If we desire His Grace but we only love those who love us, then there is no Grace because it is clear we do not really believe in Him.

If we do not Repent of our Covetous Practices and are not diligently gathering together in Free Assemblies of Love for all to provide for one another in Charity according to the Perfect law of liberty then we have nothing according to Paul. According to Luke 6:32 if we only love those who love us there is no "Grace". Christ also said if you do not Forgive neither will the Father forgive you.[9]

It is not enough to hate the deeds of the workers of iniquity, but we must return to Thy first love and thy first work. To break the yoke, we need to return to the ways of righteousness spoken of in Isaiah 58 which are the ways of Christ and the early Church. And His yoke is light for it is carried by our love of one another.

Abraham, Moses, John the Baptist and Christ all created Networks of charity to care for the true needy of society without force which is how they were able to help set people free. Do you gather with His Church to attend to the Weightier matters as Christ said?

  • Are you gathering in a Network of righteousness?
  • Do you come to love others or just be loved?

Early Christians found themselves in conflict with these systems of social welfare because they made the word of God to none effect. Christians had repented of their covetous nature when they received the Baptism of Christ. They heard and became Doers of the word not hearers only.

Remember Proverbs 12:24, "The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the Slothful shall be under Tribute."

We know that liberty under God is not for the covetous who are Biting one another but it is also not for the slothful. If we are not congregating together in free assemblies bound together in a broad network by faith, hope, and charity alone according to the perfect law of liberty then we are not truly seeking the Kingdom of God nor His righteousness.

Are the Modern Christians being like the Pharisees before them and failing to attend to those same Weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith which include caring for the needs of our neighbors and the widows and orphans of our society through Pure Religion in matters of health, education, and welfare. We are NOT to provide for the needy of society through the Covetous Practices and the men who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other like the socialists do.

The Way of Christ was like neither the way of the world of Rome nor the governments of the gentiles who depend on those fathers of the earth through force, fear and fealty who deliver the people back in bondage again like they were in Egypt. Christ's ministers and true Christians do not depend upon systems of social welfare that force the contributions of the people like the corban of the Pharisees which made the word of God to none effect. Many people have been deceived to go the way of Balaam and the Nicolaitan and out of The Way of Christ and have become workers of iniquity.

The Christian conflict with Rome in the first century Church appointed by Christ was because they would not apply to the fathers of the earth for their free bread but instead relied upon a voluntary network providing a daily ministration to the needy of society through Faith, Hope, and Charity by way of freewill offerings of the people, for the people, and by the people through the perfect law of liberty in Free Assemblies according to the ancient pattern of Tuns or Tens as He commanded.

The modern Christians are in need of repentance.

"Follow me!" —Jesus the Christ.

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Family Challenge

There are a few quotes in Mark 3:30-35 that some interpret as a rift between Jesus and his family.

According to the Talmud, Joseph of Arimathea[11] was the younger brother of Joachim the father of Mary and therefore Jesus' Great uncle.[12] Joseph was one of His disciples.[13] And as one of the richest men in the Roman Empire, he supported the ministry of Christ. He was bold in his support of Jesus. [14] And he believed the kingdom at hand message.[15]

Jesus' cousin was John the Baptist. There is no sign of rejection of Jesus by John in the Bible although he did not know he was the Messiah until he was already in prison. [16]

James was his brother and never gave any sign of rejecting Jesus. He served in Jerusalem, suffering death at the hands of the murderous Pharisees. He was doing his job as minister of the Kingdom of God on earth.

Joses, Simon, and Jude who were also his brothers "according to the flesh"[17] accepted Jesus and worked diligently for the early Church in those days providing guidance through a daily ministration rightly dividing bread from house to house[18] while others who did not follow The Way continued to eat of the Corban of the Pharisees and the free bread of Rome.

Jesus' mother never "rejected" him, but she feared his going to Jerusalem.

The problem with these interpretations of Mark is because people do not understand what the Church was doing and how it was organized. The Church was an appointed Kingdom of God or government of God on earth. It was not like other governments of the world who exercised authority one over the other.

It was a voluntary government that functioned by way of the perfect law of liberty through the exercise of real faith, together with the hope of salvation through the charity living in the hearts and minds of other Christians in a broad community network of fellowship.

There were many requirements laid on those who would become his student ministers or disciples. These same restrictions had been laid upon the Levites centuries before, although many did not understand those requirements because of the teachings and sophistry of the Pharisees. His disciples could not own property in their own name, and they would have to give up what they already owned. Like the Levites who could not be a part of the walled camp and were called out as the Church in the Wilderness, if Jesus' disciples — who were called out of the world — were not willing to leave their family, they could not be one of His disciples.[19]

Of course, Jesus was not talking about abandoning our responsibilities to our young children or aging parents, but he encouraged prioritizing the commitment to be ministers of His Church. The commitment to be the ministers of His appointed kingdom included the responsibility of a daily ministration for believers who shared his Eucharist and communion in the network of the early Church all over the Roman Empire.

Christians did not eat at the table of kings or the Imperial Cult of Rome. They did not apply for the Corban of the Pharisees nor of Rome nor of any government that exercises authority one over the other like Modern Christians do. Early Christians knew that what those governments offered as welfare was actually a snare. To covet their benefits would entangle them again in the yoke of bondage and the elements of the world.

King of the Jews

Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah?

There are at least four common reasons that Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah besides the obvious reason which the Pharisees displayed.

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

The temple was never to be built of dead stone. It was meant to be in you, in your heart and in your mind, in the midst of you.[20]The temple was to be built of "living stones".

2. Gather all Jews back to Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

It was to usher in a gathering of the faithful Jews to Israel which is simply the "place where God prevails". The apostles were faithful Jews ad most of the people who were willing to get the Baptism Of Jesus at Pentecost were also Jews. Many of the people who were a part of the lost tribes of Israel also followers of Jesus as the Christ/Messiah. The "seed" would be all the descendants of faith of Abraham who had eyes to see and ears to hear. They will have the character of Christ written in their hearts by God and willing to do those things taught by Jesus and Moses.[21] There was an in gathering in a network of Tens which was commanded by Christ that reached beyond the Roman Empire.

3. An era of peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. This Nation appointed by the Messiah would be one of peace. (Isaiah 2:4)[22]

Early Christians were a nation of people dedicated to peace. They not only did not covet their neighbor's goods like the Corban of the Pharisees and Rome but they did not raise up arms against those who opposed them. And those who actively persecuted them continued to decline and fall while Christian communities thrived. Eventually, a false Christianity would rise up, persecute Jews and Christians, make war, return to covetous practices and become entangled in the elements of the world and a yoke of bondage.

The knowledge of God and The Way reached all over the world by that network but many reject that knowledge because they do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear.

4. "God will be King over all the world... His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). While the Jews that opposed Jesus as the Messiah claimed they had no King but Caesar, the Jews who accepted Christ said there is another King, one Jesus.[23] Tyrants fell and Christians prospered. If people would repent the power of the world would again diminish and liberty under God would prevail in the world again.


Some will add to this that there needed to be a resurrection of the dead. Of course, there was a resurrection of the dead both spiritually and physically.[24]

Those who became followers of Christ and did what he commanded were literally the new Jews or citizens of Judea. The ministers of His Kingdom worked daily in the temple rightly dividing the bread from house to house. Those who rejected Jesus as the King called themselves Jews but they were not.[25]

"Bishops, presbyters(Elder) and deacons occupy in the church the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the Levites in the temple." Jerome, Ep. 146. Both the Levites and the early Church appointed by Christ were "called out" to be a peculiar people who were to serve those who would repent and seek the ways of God.

When Jesus told his disciples "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple." the word hath meant their property.[26] Luke 14:33

Both the early Church ministers appointed by the Christ and the Levites owned property but they held it in common[27] as join heirs[28] because the ordained ministers of the Church or "called out" and the "called out" of Moses were to belong to God and serve the people who depended on charity rather than force to provide the welfare or Pure Religion of God.
The Legal definition of the Church was also a group of people called out to serve with "corporate elements". They were the corpus of Christ, appointed by Him, for His purposes, and in one accord. That body of ministers holding all things in common were called out and gathered to serve the society in Free Assemblies.


Rome steadily declined in a well populated Europe and Asia. There were may attempts to raise up new Nimrods and Babylon... But many people lived in Peace with no real threat of world domination. After a thousand years, the adversary was unchained. Now the whole world is back in bondage, numbered and serve governments that abort children by the millions to the chagrin of modern Moleck.

Most Modern Christians and Jews violate the Ten Commandments regularly as a matter of policy both their covetous practices and systems of Corban. This and their lack of Pure Religion is why they have returned to the bondage of Egypt. They have coveted the wages of unrighteousness provided by the gods of the world who the covenant with to get benefits at the expense of their neighbor.

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Was Jesus rich?

Many scholars suggest that the family of Jesus was very wealthy. Both Joseph and Mary were descendants from the Royal House ...Cana does not appear to be a poor family's wedding, and there is evidence Jesus knew many rich, as well as influential people.
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Doctrines of Jesus

Doctrines of Jesus Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Genealogy of Jesus

... is supposed to exist in the gospels respecting the genealogy of Jesus.}} ...d down to them by the Desposyni, a group of people who were descendants of Jesus' blood relatives.
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Why did Jesus Say

Why did Jesus say the Corban of the Pharisees was making the word of God to none effect? Why did Jesus say Call no man on earth Father? Matthew 23:9 And call...
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Was Jesus a socialist?

Believe about Jesus

  1. ↑ John 3:17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
  2. ↑ John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
  3. ↑ Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
    1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
  4. ↑ Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
    Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
    Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
  5. ↑ Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
  6. ↑ 2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  7. ↑ Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
    Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
    Matthew 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
    Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
    Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
  8. ↑ 5622 ὠφέλεια opheleia [o-fel’-i-ah] from a derivative of the base of 5624 profitable; n f; AV-profit 1, advantage 1; 2
    1) usefulness, advantage, profit
  9. ↑ Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
    Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
  10. ↑ Matthew 20:25-26 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    Mark 10:42-43 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
    Luke 22:25-26 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
  11. ↑ Son of Matthat Son of Levi ben Melchi and Esthra / Estha
    Husband of Anna bar Simon, of Arimathea and Alyuba bar Eléazar
    Father of <private> bet Joseph
    Brother of Saint Joachim and Bianca
    Half brother of JoAnna of Arimathea; Heli ben Matat and Gjora
  12. ↑ George F. Jowett, "The Drama of the Lost Disciples", (p.18). The "Harlein Manuscripts" (38-59f, 1936) appears to support these claims.
  13. ↑ Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
  14. ↑ Mark 15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
    John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
  15. ↑ Luke 23:51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the Kingdom of God.
  16. ↑ Luke 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
  17. ↑  Eusebius of Caesarea, Historia Ecclesiae, 1:7:11-14
  18. ↑ Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
  19. ↑ Luke 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
  20. ↑ Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
  21. ↑ Isaiah 43:5 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
    8 ¶ Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. 9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
  22. ↑ Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
  23. ↑ Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.
  24. ↑ Matthew 27:53 "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
  25. ↑ Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
  26. ↑ 5224 ~ὑπάρχοντα~ huparchonta \@hoop-ar’-khon-tah\@ neuter plural of present participle active of 5225 as noun; ; v participle AV-goods 7, that (one) has 4, things which (one) possesses 2, substance 1; 14 1) possessions, goods, wealth, property
  27. ↑ Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
  28. ↑ Romans 8:17 "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together."
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