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Was Christianity political?
Was Christianity political?<Ref>Was Jesus political 2012 podcast http://www.hisholychurch.net/audio/2012-02-11WasJesuspolitical.mp3</Ref>


What is the definition of [[politics]] and how would that relate to the [[early Church]]?
What is the definition of [[politics]] and how would that relate to the [[early Church]]?
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There are two ways to govern. To govern others is to "control, influence, or regulate a person or persons, their actions, or the course of events", or can to govern may mean to govern oneself that is to "conduct oneself, especially with regard to controlling one's emotions and actions".
There are two ways to govern. To govern others is to "control, influence, or regulate a person or persons, their actions, or the course of events", or can to govern may mean to govern oneself that is to "conduct oneself, especially with regard to controlling one's emotions and actions".


What we call ''engaged in politics'' or a ''politician'' may be engaged in the process or hope to achieve power over the ''governance'' of the people but also some people seek power over their own life. Someone seeking ''the power of choice'' over his own life or what we call [[liberty]], is engaged in politics even though he may not vote or run for office. He may merely be doing what he can to govern his own life in or toward a free society and gathering with others who are also engaged in the ''activities associated with the governance''.  
What we call ''engaged in politics'' or even a ''politician'' who may or may not be engaged in the process or hope to achieve power over the ''governance'' of the people way take two forms. One is the restoration of freedom to the individual or the reduction of that freedom through the centralization of the power of ''civil affairs'' in the hands of a few. 
 
Some people seek power over their own life and not over the lives of their neighbors. Someone seeking ''the power of choice'' over his own life or what we call [[liberty]], is still engaged in politics even though he may not vote for power or [[benefits]] or run for office. He may merely be doing what he can to govern his own life desiring to move in or toward a free society. If he engages with other people this movement will include [[tens|gathering with others]] who are also engaged in the ''activities associated with the governance'' but according to the [[perfect law of liberty]].  


: [[Acts 23]]:1  And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived <4176> in all good conscience before God until this day.
: [[Acts 23]]:1  And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived <4176> in all good conscience before God until this day.
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: Ephesians 6:8  Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
: Ephesians 6:8  Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
: Colossians 3:11  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. </Ref> by which you act and live that determines if you are seeking the [[kingdom of God]] or not. [[The Way]] you think and see the word will be different and your choice will change and you will be changed by your choices.
: Colossians 3:11  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. </Ref> by which you act and live that determines if you are seeking the [[kingdom of God]] or not. [[The Way]] you think and see the word will be different and your choice will change and you will be changed by your choices.
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[[Modern Christians]] often do not fully understand the true meaning of [[religion]] at the time of Christ they may seduce them into an unhealthy entanglement with the politics of the [[world]] rather than the politics of the [[Kingdom of God]] and His [[righteousness]].<Br>
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The term Greek ''politeia''<Ref name="politeia">{{4174}}</Ref> which we see translated ''commonwealth'' in Ephesians means "the administration of civil affairs". The same term is translated ''[[freedom]]'' in [[Acts 22]]:28<Ref>Acts 22:28 "And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom <4174>. And Paul said, But I was [free] born.</Ref> To grasp the significance of this term ''politeia'' as both "the administration of civil affairs" and "freedom" you may want to seek to understand why some say Paul was a [[Roman citizen]].
The term Greek ''politeia''<Ref name="politeia">{{4174}}</Ref> which we see translated ''commonwealth'' in Ephesians means "the administration of civil affairs". The same term is translated ''[[freedom]]'' in [[Acts 22]]:28<Ref>Acts 22:28 "And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom <4174>. And Paul said, But I was [free] born.</Ref> To grasp the significance of this term ''politeia'' as both "the administration of civil affairs" and "freedom" you may want to seek to understand why some say Paul was a [[Roman citizen]].

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If the term 'political' was relating to the public affairs of "a large aggregate of 'people' united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a place and the word 'nation' comes from the Latin nat- ‘born,’ ... and Christians are suppose to be born again as a peculiar people or nation to whom Jesus appointed a kingdom then  Jesus was political.
The politics of our soul determines the values of what we consider to be factual and true. The answers and outcomes of our thinking is more dependent upon the spirit of pride, passion or patience which may ascribe personally prejudiced values to facts unequally.
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Was Christianity political?[1]

What is the definition of politics and how would that relate to the early Church?

One definition of Politics is:

1. The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.
2. Political science.
3. The activities or affairs engaged in by a government, politician, or political party. Yahoo

But also Politics is defined:

  • The activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power. Google

Governance refers to "all processes of governing, whether undertaken by a government, market or network, whether over a family, tribe, formal or informal organization or territory and whether through laws, norms, power or language." Wikipedia

There are two ways to govern. To govern others is to "control, influence, or regulate a person or persons, their actions, or the course of events", or can to govern may mean to govern oneself that is to "conduct oneself, especially with regard to controlling one's emotions and actions".

What we call engaged in politics or even a politician who may or may not be engaged in the process or hope to achieve power over the governance of the people way take two forms. One is the restoration of freedom to the individual or the reduction of that freedom through the centralization of the power of civil affairs in the hands of a few.

Some people seek power over their own life and not over the lives of their neighbors. Someone seeking the power of choice over his own life or what we call liberty, is still engaged in politics even though he may not vote for power or benefits or run for office. He may merely be doing what he can to govern his own life desiring to move in or toward a free society. If he engages with other people this movement will include gathering with others who are also engaged in the activities associated with the governance but according to the perfect law of liberty.

Acts 23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived <4176> in all good conscience before God until this day.

Whether you are free or bond it is the spirit[2] by which you act and live that determines if you are seeking the kingdom of God or not. The Way you think and see the word will be different and your choice will change and you will be changed by your choices.



Modern Christians often do not fully understand the true meaning of religion at the time of Christ they may seduce them into an unhealthy entanglement with the politics of the world rather than the politics of the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.
Download most recent Recording mentioning the politics of the Kingdom



The term Greek politeia[3] which we see translated commonwealth in Ephesians means "the administration of civil affairs". The same term is translated freedom in Acts 22:28[4] To grasp the significance of this term politeia as both "the administration of civil affairs" and "freedom" you may want to seek to understand why some say Paul was a Roman citizen.

If political was relating to the government or the public affairs of a country or nation and a nation is "a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory and the word comes from the Middle English, via Old French from Latin natio(n-), from nat- ‘born,’ from the verb nasci ... and Christians are suppose to be born again as a peculiar people or nation then was Jesus political?

Paul tells us that in Philippians 1:27:

"Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;"

The word "conversation" is politeuomai [5] which means "to be a citizen" which means "to administer civil affairs" of that city of light.

We are told in Philippians 3:20:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"

The word conversation here is again politeuma[6] which is also defined "the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth".

The late Middle English: from Old French politique ‘political,’ via Latin from Greek politikos, from politēs ‘citizen,’ from polis ‘city.’ But Jesus was a polis also as we see in:

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matthew 5:14

The term city was the Greek word Polis.[7]

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth <4174> of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" Ephesians 2:12

Christ preached a kingdom, a government, where men were not bound by oaths and contracts but by coming together in one accord through the law of love for one another.

This is why we see in Ephesians 2:19, 22:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

The term "fellowcitizens" means "possessing the same citizenship with others".[8]

Christ and the Apostles were very involved in the politics of the kingdom of God which can set the captive free when the people repent of their covetous practices and unforgiveness. As they seek that kingdom at hand they will be learning to love one another as Christ loved us while attending to the Weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith which include caring for the needs of our neighbors and the widows and orphans of our society through Pure Religion in matters of health, education, and welfare. We are NOT to provide for the needy of society through the Covetous Practices and the men who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other like the socialists do.

The Way of Christ was like neither the way of the world of Rome nor the governments of the gentiles who depend on those fathers of the earth through force, fear and fealty who deliver the people back in bondage again like they were in Egypt. Christ's ministers and true Christians do not depend upon systems of social welfare that force the contributions of the people like the corban of the Pharisees which made the word of God to none effect. Many people have been deceived to go the way of Balaam and the Nicolaitan and out of The Way of Christ and have become workers of iniquity.

The Christian conflict with Rome in the first century Church appointed by Christ was because they would not apply to the fathers of the earth for their free bread but instead relied upon a voluntary network providing a daily ministration to the needy of society through Faith, Hope, and Charity by way of freewill offerings of the people, for the people, and by the people through the perfect law of liberty in Free Assemblies according to the ancient pattern of Tuns or Tens as He commanded.

The modern Christians are in need of repentance.


"Follow me!" —Jesus the Christ.


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The politics of the mind is the politics of the soul.

Is the pursuit of the church a, government institution appointed by Christ, suppose to bring us to repentance?

The politics of the mind:

  1. Was Jesus political 2012 podcast http://www.hisholychurch.net/audio/2012-02-11WasJesuspolitical.mp3
  2. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    Ephesians 6:8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
    Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
  3. 4174 ~πολιτεία~ politeia \@pol-ee-ti’-ah\@ from 4177 ("polity"); TDNT-6:516,906; {See TDNT 649} n f AV-freedom 1, commonwealth 1; 2
    1) the administration of civil affairs
    2) a state or commonwealth
    3) citizenship, the rights of a citizen
  4. Acts 22:28 "And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom <4174>. And Paul said, But I was [free] born.
  5. 4176 ~πολιτεύομαι~ politeuomai \@pol-it-yoo’-om-ahee\@ middle voice of a derivative of 4177 polites "the inhabitant of any city or country" from the word polis; v AV-live 1, let (one’s) conversation be 1; 2
    1) to be a citizen
    2) to administer civil affairs, manage the state
    3) to make or create a citizen 3a) to be a citizen 3b) to behave as a citizen 3b1) to avail one’s self of or recognise the laws 3b2) to conduct one’s self as pledged to some law of life"
  6. 4175 ~πολίτευμα~ politeuma \@pol-it’-yoo-mah\@ from 4176; n n AV-conversation 1; 1
    1) the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth
    2) the constitution of a commonwealth, form of government and the laws by which it is administered
    3) a state, commonwealth 3a) the commonwealth of citizens
  7. 4172 ~πόλις~ polis \@pol’-is\@ probably from the same as polemos 4171 meaning war, or perhaps from polus 4183 meaning many, much, large; n f AV-city 164; 164
    1) a city
    1a) one’s native city, the city in which one lives
    1b) the heavenly Jerusalem
    1b1) the abode of the blessed in heaven
    1b2) of the visible capital in the heavenly kingdom, to come down to earth after the renovation of the world by fire
    1c) the inhabitants of a city
  8. 4847 ~συμπολίτης~ sumpolites \@soom-pol-ee’-tace\@ from 4862 and 4177; ; n m AV-fellowcitizens 1; 1
    1) possessing the same citizenship with others, a fellow citizen
    1a) of Gentiles as received into communion of the saints
    1b) of the people consecrated to God
  9. Matthew 20:25-26 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    Mark 10:42-43 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
    Luke 22:25-26 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.