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If the Flavians wrote the Bible why would Jesus criticize the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] and [[Herod]] which was identical to the [[Imperial Cult of Rome|Qorban]] of [[Rome]]? | If the Flavians wrote the Bible why would Jesus criticize the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] and [[Herod]] which was identical to the [[Imperial Cult of Rome|Qorban]] of [[Rome]]? | ||
=== Richard Carrier === | |||
Did Richard Carrier prove that [[Jesus existed|Jesus did not exist]] or that the image of Jesus and the role as Christ is distorted by the modern Church? | |||
Jesus said their would be false Christs.<Ref name="falsechrist">{{falsechrist}}</Ref> What Richard Carrier is actually proving is that he does not understand history, the purpose of [[religion]]s beyond the mythical parables used to carry the true meaning. | |||
What is true [[worship]]? | |||
What is the purpose of [[temples]] and [[altars]]? | |||
What does [[superstition]] have to do with people that do not have the ears to [[hear]] nor [[eyes]] to see the true message of the [[kingdom of God]] and the intended nature of [[Mankind|mankind]]? | |||
Dr Maurice Casey's ''"Is John’s Gospel True"'', Joseph Hoffmann's ''“Controversy, Mythicism and the Historical Jesus”'', Bart Erhman’s publications or comments by theologian Robert Price all go deeply in their own ideologies but none seem to grasp the actual message of the gospel about living by [[faith]], [[hope]], and [[charity]] while caring for the needy of society as opposed to the [[force]], [[fear]], and [[fealty]] practiced by the governments of the [[world]] who [[exercise authority]]<Ref name="exauth">{{exauth}}</Ref> and the different outcome that occurs when the [[masses]] follow [[the way]] of Christ as a doer<Ref name="doethv">{{doethv}}</Ref> of what he said and the the other which is the way of [[bondage]], the [[cities of blood]]. | |||
The [[appetite]] of those [[masses]]<Ref name="massesnf">{{massesnf}}</Ref> for the [[benefits]] and [[dainties]] of [[rulers]] at the expense of others is certainly a [[covetous practices]] that is a [[snare|snare and a trap]], the antithesis of the teaching of [[John the Baptist]], [[Proverbs]] and all the [[Prophets]], including [[Moses]] and the [[Ten Statements]] attributed to God by him. | |||
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The [[Christian conflict]] was because they would not sign up, usually requiring and oath, for their [[free bread]] offered at the [[tablse]] of the Roman [[welfare state]]. That persecution which began with [[Claudius]] and [[Marcus Aurelius]] continued with and the trial of the [[Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs]] who would not sign up for their [[welfare]] system. | The [[Christian conflict]] was because they would not sign up, usually requiring and oath, for their [[free bread]] offered at the [[tablse]] of the Roman [[welfare state]]. That persecution which began with [[Claudius]] and [[Marcus Aurelius]] continued with and the trial of the [[Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs]] who would not sign up for their [[welfare]] system. | ||
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There was an annual burning of [[incense]] at the [[temples]] of [[Rome]] where the faithful confirmed their [[allegiance]] and acceptance of [[Caesar]] as the [[Son of God]]. | There was an annual burning of [[incense]] at the [[temples]] of [[Rome]] where the faithful confirmed their [[allegiance]] and acceptance of [[Caesar]] as the [[Son of God]]. | ||
But both [[Caesar]] and [[Jesus]] were called [[Savior]] and the [[Son of God]]. It was the difference in their methods. It was the | But both [[Caesar]] and [[Jesus]] were called [[Savior]] and the [[Son of God]]. It was the difference in their means and methods which differentiated their Godhood. One called the people to [[repent]], to think differently, to seek righteousness of the creator, while setting up a [[network]] of [[fervent charity]] to provide a [[social safety net]]<Ref>Mark 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] [[Corban]], that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.</Ref> for His people so they would have the courage and character to attend to the [[weightier matters]] of Law.<Ref>Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the [[weightier matters|weightier [matters]]] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.</Ref>. | ||
The other [[Son of God]] was the [[emperor]] of [[world]] of [[Rome]] who was also the [[Principas Civitas]] and [[Apotheos]] of that same [[world|world order]] bribed the people woth "treats and gratuities"<Ref>"That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities. But this mischief crept secretly and gradually in, and did not openly make it's appearance in Rome for a considerable time." [[Plutarch]]'s ''Life of Coriolanus'' (c. 100 AD.)</Ref> and [[conscience|searing the conscience of the people]] with their "[[appetite]] for [[benefits]] and the habit of receiving them by way of a rule of [[force]] and violence. The people, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others" [[degenerate]]d the [[masses]] of the empire. | |||
One operated by [[faith]], [[hope]], and [[charity]] setting the captive free and the other operated by ''[[force]]'', [[fear]] , and [[fealty]] making the people more [[merchandise]] than [[citizen]]s. | |||
The [[Flavian Myth|Piso/Flavian Myth]] is a product the [[false religion]] of the [[Modern Church]] who no longer practice [[Pure Religion]] which has allowed the [[conscience]] of the people to be seared by the [[covetous practices]] of [[Legal charity]] through the [[welfare state]]s of the [[world]]. | |||
The same [[persecution]] and denial will come when the true [[gospel of the Kingdom]] of God and His [[righteousness]] is preached again to the [[world]]. It will be the [[Modern Christians]] who will be at the core of a [[Christian conflict]] with the modern [[New Deal|New World Order]] of [[Rome]] which will come into conflict with [[Sound Doctrine]] which is the [[Doctrines of Jesus]]. | |||
== Other gods == | == Other gods == | ||
Latest revision as of 14:10, 11 August 2024
Piso and the Flavian Myth
Caesar's Messiah is a 2006 book of speculative non-fiction by Joseph Atwill, which argues that the New Testament Gospels were written as wartime propaganda by scholars connected to the Roman imperial court of the Flavian emperors: Vespasian, Titus and Domitian.
The Joseph Atwill's Piso/Flavian theory falls apart as soon as you find out what the character and mission of men like Moses and Jesus really were. They agreed with each other but the Pharisees did not agree with Jesus because they did not know Moses or what he actually was teaching the people.
Through false interpretation of the ancient manuscripts their meaning have become a lost to many people who image they know the truth so much so that people like Atwill are at a decided disadvantage to say nothing of their critics. If you begin with confusion more layers of confusion can easily add insult to injury.
What are they missing
Most of the early Church were actually Jews. Like the Church in the wilderness they were actually performing services for the people cast out of the Corban of Judea which Jesus had strongly objected to.
John the Baptist opposed Herod the Great's system of temple welfare which depended on forced offerings rather than the freewill offerings promoted by Moses.
If the Flavians wrote the Bible why would Jesus criticize the Corban of the Pharisees and Herod which was identical to the Qorban of Rome?
Richard Carrier
Did Richard Carrier prove that Jesus did not exist or that the image of Jesus and the role as Christ is distorted by the modern Church?
Jesus said their would be false Christs.[1] What Richard Carrier is actually proving is that he does not understand history, the purpose of religions beyond the mythical parables used to carry the true meaning.
What is true worship?
What is the purpose of temples and altars?
What does superstition have to do with people that do not have the ears to hear nor eyes to see the true message of the kingdom of God and the intended nature of mankind?
Dr Maurice Casey's "Is John’s Gospel True", Joseph Hoffmann's “Controversy, Mythicism and the Historical Jesus”, Bart Erhman’s publications or comments by theologian Robert Price all go deeply in their own ideologies but none seem to grasp the actual message of the gospel about living by faith, hope, and charity while caring for the needy of society as opposed to the force, fear, and fealty practiced by the governments of the world who exercise authority[2] and the different outcome that occurs when the masses follow the way of Christ as a doer[3] of what he said and the the other which is the way of bondage, the cities of blood.
The appetite of those masses[4] for the benefits and dainties of rulers at the expense of others is certainly a covetous practices that is a snare and a trap, the antithesis of the teaching of John the Baptist, Proverbs and all the Prophets, including Moses and the Ten Statements attributed to God by him.
No man father
Jesus also warned the people to call no man father. Yet, everyone at that time called the Roman emperors Father. One of His titles was Patronus, which is Our Father, and all the Senators of Rome were all called the conscripti patribecause they were the Conscripted fathers of Rome who saw to the funding of the Imperial Cult of Rome which provided the free bread of the Roman welfare state.
No idolatry
To take of that system was considered idolatry by Paul because it was a covetous system of Legal charity which is idolatry.[5] The problem was the tables provided by their temples were systems of legal charity where their dainties were the wages of unrighteousness because they were provided by men who exercise authority one of the other[2] which was covetous practices which made men merchandiseaccording to Peter.
No oaths
Why would Flavius write that Jesus was commanding his people to "Swear not"?[6] And not apply to rulers of authority for benefits[2] when those systems of legal charity gave Caesar more and more power of the people.
Or why would they write that James said "But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5:12
These prohibitions against oaths and swearing would not be a part of the Flavian policies since an "Oath of Fidelity" was required by Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian, the entire judicial system and their gods many.
The Conflict
If people had been taught the truth about the Gospel of the Kingdom and the reason for the Christian conflict Atwill's suggestion that rebellious and violent Christians were persecuted would be seen as patently false.
The Christian conflict was because they would not sign up, usually requiring and oath, for their free bread offered at the tablse of the Roman welfare state. That persecution which began with Claudius and Marcus Aurelius continued with and the trial of the Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs who would not sign up for their welfare system.
Sons of God
There was an annual burning of incense at the temples of Rome where the faithful confirmed their allegiance and acceptance of Caesar as the Son of God.
But both Caesar and Jesus were called Savior and the Son of God. It was the difference in their means and methods which differentiated their Godhood. One called the people to repent, to think differently, to seek righteousness of the creator, while setting up a network of fervent charity to provide a social safety net[7] for His people so they would have the courage and character to attend to the weightier matters of Law.[8].
The other Son of God was the emperor of world of Rome who was also the Principas Civitas and Apotheos of that same world order bribed the people woth "treats and gratuities"[9] and searing the conscience of the people with their "appetite for benefits and the habit of receiving them by way of a rule of force and violence. The people, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others" degenerated the masses of the empire.
One operated by faith, hope, and charity setting the captive free and the other operated by force, fear , and fealty making the people more merchandise than citizens.
The Piso/Flavian Myth is a product the false religion of the Modern Church who no longer practice Pure Religion which has allowed the conscience of the people to be seared by the covetous practices of Legal charity through the welfare states of the world.
The same persecution and denial will come when the true gospel of the Kingdom of God and His righteousness is preached again to the world. It will be the Modern Christians who will be at the core of a Christian conflict with the modern New World Order of Rome which will come into conflict with Sound Doctrine which is the Doctrines of Jesus.
Other gods
During the Second Persecution, under Domitian, A.D. 81, persecutions among the Christians would bring death by order of their magistrates who commonly were addressed as gods required a "test oath" to prove innocents. Modern Christians do not know why they called these men gods. Likewise, modern Christians don't understand who their actual gods are today.
While those emperors took oaths themselves to be High-priests of their nation But Jesus was proclaimed high-priest and King. He was king because he was the highest son of David but high-priest because of his older cousin John the Baptist who declared that Jesus was to come after him.
It is only a lack of understanding of Jesus and The Way that allows anyone to accept Atwill's premise of a Flavian authorship. If Modern Christians would fully repent and seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness with their whole heart, mind and soul they could not be seduced by the falsehoods and misdirection of Atwill and others.
Parallels
Joseph Atwill also claims that there are dozens of parallels between the Gospels and the history of Titus and his military. This requires a huge stretch of imagination. They prove nothing but the desperate hope of selling more books.
Atwill and his followers mix facts and ignore others. They fail to explain the well-documented activities of early Christians who were well known Historical characters and what they were doing. They mislead people about the persecutions of Christians and seem ignorant of the court issue that got peaceful people executed by the tens of thousands.
The makers of the film Zeitgeist try to make comparisons with many other characters of ancient history to prove Jesus was a fictional character but the sources and information they present as fact are more often incorrect or entirely fictional.
Many people are quick to jump on board their thesis for a variety of reasons but the whole truth reveals they are confused and dependent upon speculation and leaps of logic.
“Sometimes the best way to learn a lesson isn't just hearing the words, but putting it into practice by experimenting with it and finding its truth for yourself instead of taking someone else’s word for it.” ― A.J. Darkholme, Rise of the Morningstar
They are right that pagan ideas crept into what began posing as Christianity after Flavius Salerus Constantinus's First Council of Nicaea that attracted only a small number of Bishops who convened in Nicaea in Bithynia.
The people advocating that the Flavians created Christianity are mixing the creation of the Church of Flavius Salerus Constantinus with real Christians.
A thousand years later during centuries of inquisitions the Church created by Constantinus would murder millions of real Christians who were a living Church practicing Pure Religion.
Rome had become a Welfare State. That had not only made the Caesar's gods but made the people subject to the Imperial Cult of Rome in much the same way as the modern image of Rome.
Early Christians were practicing Private welfare instead of Public religion. It was the Public religion which involves the Covetous Practices that made men Merchandise and curses their children with debt.
"Fortunately for serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized." Benjamin Haydon
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)
- ↑ False Christs
- Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."
- Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
- Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
- Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect."
- 1 Corinthians 15: 15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
- 2 Corinthians 11: 13. For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
- Galatians 2:4 "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 5. To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you."
- 2 Peter 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
- 2 Peter 2:2 "And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."
- 2 Peter 3: 16. "Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Not exercise authority
- Matthew 20:25 "But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you:..."
- Mark 10:42 "But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you:..."
- Luke 22:25 "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye [shall] not [be] so:..."
- ↑ Doers and not doers
- Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:"
- Matthew 25:11 "Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us." See Foolish virgins and Workers of iniquity.
- Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."
- Luke 13:25 "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:" See Workers of iniquity.
- John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." See Born again.
- John 9:31 "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."
- ↑ "The masses continue with an appetite for benefits and the habit of receiving them by way of a rule of force and violence. The people, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others... institute the rule of violence; and now uniting their forces massacre, banish, and plunder, until they degenerate again into perfect savages and find once more a master and monarch." Polybius 150 years before Christ.
- ↑ Covetousness is idolatry
- Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"
- Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
- 1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
- For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.
- ↑ Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
- ↑ Mark 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
- ↑ Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
- ↑ "That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities. But this mischief crept secretly and gradually in, and did not openly make it's appearance in Rome for a considerable time." Plutarch's Life of Coriolanus (c. 100 AD.)