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: Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.</Ref>
: Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.</Ref>
   
   
In [[Isaiah 58]] we are told about a diet of true fasting that brings light where there was darkness.
In [[Isaiah 58]] we are told about a diet of true fasting that brings light where there was darkness.


To find that light requires us to [[cry out]] in humility so that we delight to know [[the way]] of [[righteousness]].<Ref>
To find that light requires us to [[cry out]] in humility so that we delight to know [[the way]] of [[righteousness]].<Ref>

Revision as of 16:54, 7 June 2023


Milk and meat are metaphors in both the Old and New Testaments.

A diet of milk only may keep people from comprehending the true doctrine of God.

The doctrines of God are right reason like the Doctrine of Jesus bacause they consist of "precept upon precept".[1]

The word "precept" is from tsav[2] which often is said to usually mean ::command, ordinance and is from tsawvh[3] meaning command or order, even charge, enjoin, or appoint. It can have the natural sense of the cause and effect of the Law of Nature.

Nature's God is the divine creator who expresses the right reason behind that creation to His people "with stammering lips and another tongue" not everyone can hear.[1] nor see because when the flee the light of God and his revelation we will sit name= darkness.[4]

In Isaiah 58 we are told about a diet of true fasting that brings light where there was darkness.

To find that light requires us to cry out in humility so that we delight to know the way of righteousness.[5]

To see again takes a special kind of fasting.[6]

You will willing fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickednes.

The fist of wickedness is the works of iniquity which is the force used by men who exercise authority one over the other and claim to be the benefactors of the people

The purpose of that fast is not so you will be heard upon high but so that you will learn to hear the cries of others.[7]





This other form of fasting will bring lightt as we learn the Way of fervent charity[8] rather than the reward of unrighteousness which the legal charity of Nimrod, ©ain, Pharaoh Herod, Caesar, FDR, and LBJ, etc..


Isaiah 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; 10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: 11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. 12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.




The truth is often given those who will hear in bits and pieces because it is commonly to much to recieve at one time.

We as children of God often begin with milk but that is always so that we are not broken or snared nor taken back into bondage.

When mankind ate of the tree of knowledge rather than the tree of life things changed.

People's eyes were opened but they saw less, the metaphor of the two Trees is about our neglect of the tree of life and the revelation of God and in pride choosing to decide for ourselves what was good or evil.

The Ten Statements we call the Ten Commandments are only laws because they are explaining the precept upon precepts built into creation. If we only indulge in the milk we will not see and understand the wisdom of God and His precepts.


"I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able." 1 Corinthians 3:2

We may get lots of people coming to the network.

We have many lurkers who want to take the people and gather them to themselves.

PCMs and MOREs should be working to gather people for kingdom purposes.

But should we do it on the groups or privately?

And then what do we say to them?

Where are they at in their journey?

What are they looking for milk or meat?

What are they ready for?

God knows and we need to listen to Him to know what to say and when to say it.

This is often very difficult to say or know.

Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."


Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."



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  1. 1.0 1.1 : "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Isaiah 28:9
  2. 06673 ^וצ^ tsav \@tsav\@ or ^וצ^ tsav \@tsawv\@ from 06680; n m; AV-precept 8, commandment 1; 9
    1) command, ordinance, oracle (meaning dubious)
    1a) used in mocking mimicry of Isaiah’s words and thus not a true divine command
  3. 06680 ^הוצ^ tsavah \@tsaw-vaw’\@ a primitive root Hebrew letters TzadikVavHey; if you add a Mem 04687 ^הוצמ^ mitsvah v; AV-command 514, charge 39, commandment 9, appoint 5, bade 3, order 3, commander 1, misc 4; 494
    1) to command, charge, give orders, lay charge, give charge to, order
    1a) (Piel)
    1a1) to lay charge upon
    1a2) to give charge to, give command to
    1a3) to give charge unto
    1a4) to give charge over, appoint
    1a5) to give charge, command
    1a6) to charge, command
    1a7) to charge, commission
    1a8) to command, appoint, ordain (of divine act)
    1b) (Pual) to be commanded
  4. Psalms 107:10 Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; 11 Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High:
    Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
    Micah 7:8 Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. 9 I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him, until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness.
    Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
  5. Isaiah 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. 2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
  6. Isaiah 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. 4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
  7. Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
  8. Isaiah 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD? 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?