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Comments Chapter 9 Hope for Israel (9:1–5, 11:19–24)
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Hosea 1:2 Marries Gomer^[1] who is the daughter of Diblaim, who became the wife of Hosea.
This national adultery of Israel and Judea we see in Hosea parallels the harlotry in Revelation 17 with what becomes the Modern Church and what the Pharisees were doing with Rome and their Corban at the time of Christ.
Who is Paul mentioning this to? See first session] Hosea 2:8 Warns us to "know that I [God] gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold," [prosperity] which they now give to Baal. “she did not know” understand that God and "The Way"is the key to even the prosperity of Baal =" lord Hosea is talking about the Nicolaitan which we see also in Chapter Hosea 3 through Chapter 14 of Hosea
Like John the Baptist Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Matthew 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. Mark 1:3
Jesus, Hosea, the minor prophets and Isaiah 1 all talk about the people not knowing because they have become accustomed to sin. They are a "sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward." He warns them that "Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers..." except for "a very small remnant". But He wants them to "Hear the word of the LORD" that he does not " delight not in the blood.
How can we say the Modern Christian has not followed the way of the Pharisees who revolted from the way of God while professing him with their lips when their Corban also makes the word of God to none effect and they have become Merchandise and curse children.^[2]
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
End of 11th begin 12th hour Secession 12. Romans, Chapter 9 and 10 http://www.hisholychurch.net/kkvv/6thbatch/13-2-10Romans-x2.mp3
Paul Mentions Hosea and Isaiah Hosea 1:9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God]. Hosea 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel. Hosea talks about whoring in a way contrary to the path and Jezreel =" God sows" like we see Christ sowing the seeds of faith. Because people turned from Gods path they were no longer His and would not receive mercy but if they turned back He would bless them. But then Israel and Judah would be save united but not “by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.” But by Christ. Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children1 are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Bozra Isaiah 1:9 through 20 Speaks of "a very small remnant" that "Hear the word of the LORD" because "the multitude of your sacrifices" were not a delight to God because of "who hath required this at your hand" They were "vain oblations" and an "incense" of "an abomination" because their "hands are full of blood" because they were the result of force, fear and fealty.
John the Baptist also called them like Isaiah 1 to "16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow." in What James would call Pure Religion by charity alone.
Like John the Baptist Isaiah 1:18 is calling the people to repentance "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it."

1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises ;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 ¶ What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 ¶ As he saith also in Osee,^[3] I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [...righteousness of faith]

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law16. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10

Footnotes

↑ Also, Gomer was the eldest son of Japheth, and father of Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah Genesis 10:2,3 whose descendants formed the principal branch of the population of South-eastern Europe. He is generally regarded as the ancestor of the Celtae and the Cimmerii, who in early times settled to the north of the Black Sea, and gave their name to the Crimea... reappear in the times of the Romans as the Cimbri of the north and west of Europe, whence they crossed to the British Isles, where their descendants are still found in the Gaels and Cymry. Thus the whole Celtic race may be regarded as descended from Gomer.
↑ Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children13 are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:... 9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isaiah 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear.
Isaiah 63:1 ¶ Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
Isaiah 63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Isaiah 1:10 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 ¶ Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

21 ¶ How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Isaiah 30:2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
Isaiah 35:3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Jeremiah 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
↑ 5617 Ὡσηέ Hosee [ho-say-eh’] of Hebrew origin 01954 הוֹשֵׁעַ‎; n pr m; AV-Osee 1; 1 Hosea = "salvation"
1) the well known Hebrew prophet, Hosea , son of Beeri and contemporary with Isaiah

[1] Also, Gomer was the eldest son of Japheth, and father of Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah Genesis 10:2,3 whose descendants formed the principal branch of the population of South-eastern Europe. He is generally regarded as the ancestor of the Celtae and the Cimmerii, who in early times settled to the north of the Black Sea, and gave their name to the Crimea... reappear in the times of the Romans as the Cimbri of the north and west of Europe, whence they crossed to the British Isles, where their descendants are still found in the Gaels and Cymry. Thus the whole Celtic race may be regarded as descended from Gomer.

[2] Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children13 are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:... 9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isaiah 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear.
Isaiah 63:1 ¶ Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
Isaiah 63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Isaiah 1:10 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 ¶ Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

21 ¶ How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Isaiah 30:2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
Isaiah 35:3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Jeremiah 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

[3] 5617 Ὡσηέ Hosee [ho-say-eh’] of Hebrew origin 01954 הוֹשֵׁעַ‎; n pr m; AV-Osee 1; 1 Hosea = "salvation"
1) the well known Hebrew prophet, Hosea , son of Beeri and contemporary with Isaiah

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-¶  I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,2  That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.3  For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4  Who are [[Israel]]ites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises ;5  Whose are the [[fathers]], and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
+¶  I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the [[Holy Ghost]],
-¶  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:7  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.9  For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.10  And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;11  (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)12  It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.13  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
+That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
-¶  What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.15  For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.16  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.18  Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,24  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
+For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
-¶  As he saith also in Osee,12 I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.26  And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.27  Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:28  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.29  And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
+Who are [[Israel]]ites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises ;
+  Whose are the [[fathers]], and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
-¶  What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [...righteousness of faith]31  But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
+¶  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
-  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law16. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
+  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
+  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
+  For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
+  And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
+  (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
+  It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
+  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
+¶  What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
+  For he saith to [[Moses]], I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.16  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
+  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
+  Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
+  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
+  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
+  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
+  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
+  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
+  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
+¶  As he saith also in Osee,<Ref>{{5617}}</Ref> I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
+  And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
+  Esaias also crieth concerning [[Israel]], Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
+  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
+  And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of [[Sabbath|Sabaoth]] had left us a seed, we had been as [[Sodom]]a, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
+¶  What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after [[righteousness]], have attained to [[righteousness]], even the [[righteousness]] which is of faith. [...righteousness of faith]
+  But [[Israel]], which followed after the law of [[righteousness]], hath not attained to the law of [[righteousness]].
+  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law16. For they stumbled at that [[stumblingblock|stumblingstone]];
+  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a [[stumblingblock|stumblingstone]] and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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