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Exodus 22:29-30 The word delay is from אָחַר‎ ‘achar^[1] but appears as with an additional Tav as תְאַחֵ֑ר ṯəaḥêr which we also see in Moses' Deuteronomy 23:21 which is about being slack in giving what you should give to the LORD rather than a time limit.
If these sacrifices are funding a national social safety net through freewill offerings then at 8 days there will be little value to the needy and only benefit to you because you may be able to take the milk from the mother who is no longer sucking its young.
If we look at Leviticus 22:27 we may dedicate the ownership anytime after the eighth day some thing may be sacrificed to the LORD. These verses may help provide an understanding of the intent of Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21.

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Religion was about a social safety net of societies. Civil religion was a snare but Pure Religion sets the captive free. The welfare system of many city states had a tendency to weaken the poor. The Corban of Herod and the Pharisees did that at the time of John the Baptist and Jesus.

In reading Exodus 23:19 some will say that any mixture of meat and milk is forbidden, but others say the reason for this statement about not cooking a kid in its own mother's milk is because it is a form of cruelty to the goat or ewe.

Sam Harris while debating Jordan Peterson about the value or even the evil in scripture, he made a feeble attempt to discredit the Bible with the ignorant statement that, "A goat is a goat, is a goat." In the Bible a goat is not always a goat.

If we only look at the context of this verse within the chapter it is difficult to even imagine that suddenly Moses is adding a food law in the middle of this chapter. Part of the problem is that people do not really grasp the function of priests in society and the purpose and functions of the Altars of clay and stone.

But it is not about the milk or the goat.

It is about love and righteousness.

Just as covetousness is idolatry^[2] we can also see that what is some times called "the milk of human kindness" can ruin the tough love required for a free society because it cooks the value of "tough love" which is the righteous meat of Christ's Gospel of the kingdom.

In Exodus 23:3 and in Leviticus 19:15 we are told "thou shalt not respect the person^[3] of the poor^[4] in his cause^[5]."

This same Hebrew text seen in Exodus 23:3 and in Leviticus 19:15 shows לֹ֥א תֶהְדַּ֖ר "lo ṯehdar" which means "You shall not show partiality" of the poor. This is why in Exodus 23:19 we see the prohibition of boiling meat in milk of a goat because to much automatic giving which is seen in systems of entitlements weakens the poor.

Examine what the sin of Sodom^[6] was all about and why free bread ruined the people of Rome^[7] and how it degenerates the masses because it is boiling meat and milk.

While the welfare system of a free nation nation has elements of the Macro it must begin in the Micro of the individual and their family. Charity, what Jesus calls love, begins at home but we are also told that to spare the rod spoils the child. Understanding why you do not boil meat in milk is why you do not spare the rod.

The legal charity of the social welfare of the exercising authority of the state which through covetous practices and the force of systems entitlements boil the righteousness in the virtue signaling of the milk of human kindness.

It is not a food law but a metaphor and an allegory like the prohibition against biting one another, a common purse or the cities of blood which are a cauldron of flesh.

Exodus 23:14 Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)
16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, [which is] in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
18 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning.
19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

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0309 אָחַר‎ AlefChetReish ‘achar [aw-khar’] a primitive root; v; [BDB-29a] [{See TWOT on 68 }] AV-tarry 7, defer 3, slack 2, continue 1, delay 1, hinder 1, stayed there 1, sit up late 1; 17
1) to delay, hesitate, tarry, defer, remain behind
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to delay, tarry (intensive)

1a2) to cause one to delay, hinder, keep back

1b) (Piel) to delay, wait, stay behind (but not in hope)
- See 0310 through 0319
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Covetousness is idolatry
Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"

Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
- For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.
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01921 הָדַר‎ hadar [haw-dar’] a primitive root HeyDaletReish; v; [BDB-213b] [{See TWOT on 477 }] AV-honour 3, countenance 1, crooked places 1, glorious 1, put forth 1; 7
1) to honour, adorn, glorify, be high
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to swell
1a1a) swelling (pass participle)

1a2) to honour, pay honour to, show partiality

1a3) to adorn
1a3a) adorned (pass participle)

1b) (Niphal) to be honoured

1c) (Hithpael) to honour oneself, claim honour
- TavHeyDaletReish ṯehdar "You shall show partiality"
↑ 01800 דַּל‎ dal [dal] from 01809; adj; [BDB-195b] [{See TWOT on 433 @@ "433a" }] AV-poor 43, needy 2, weaker 2, lean 1; 48
1) low, poor, weak, thin, one who is low
↑ 07379 ^ביר^ ReishYodBeit (rîḇ רִיב֙) riyb \@reeb\@ or ^בר^ rib \@reeb\@ from 07378; n m; AV-cause 24, strife 16, controversy 13, contention 2, misc 7; 62
1) strife, controversy, dispute
1a) strife, quarrel

1b) dispute, controversy, case at law
↑ Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
↑ "That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities" Plutarch's Life of Coriolanus (c. 100 AD.)

[achar-1] 0309 אָחַר‎ Alef Chet Reish ‘achar [aw-khar’] a primitive root; v; [BDB-29a] [{See TWOT on 68 }] AV-tarry 7, defer 3, slack 2, continue 1, delay 1, hinder 1, stayed there 1, sit up late 1; 17
1) to delay, hesitate, tarry, defer, remain behind
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to delay, tarry (intensive)

1a2) to cause one to delay, hinder, keep back

1b) (Piel) to delay, wait, stay behind (but not in hope)

See 0310 through 0319

[2] See 0310 through 0319

[2] Covetousness is idolatry
Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"

Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."

For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.

[4] For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.

[hadar-3] 01921 הָדַר‎ hadar [haw-dar’] a primitive root HeyDaletReish; v; [BDB-213b] [{See TWOT on 477 }] AV-honour 3, countenance 1, crooked places 1, glorious 1, put forth 1; 7
1) to honour, adorn, glorify, be high
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to swell
1a1a) swelling (pass participle)

1a2) to honour, pay honour to, show partiality

1a3) to adorn
1a3a) adorned (pass participle)

1b) (Niphal) to be honoured

1c) (Hithpael) to honour oneself, claim honour

TavHeyDaletReish ṯehdar "You shall show partiality"

[6] TavHeyDaletReish ṯehdar "You shall show partiality"

[dal-4] 01800 דַּל‎ dal [dal] from 01809; adj; [BDB-195b] [{See TWOT on 433 @@ "433a" }] AV-poor 43, needy 2, weaker 2, lean 1; 48
1) low, poor, weak, thin, one who is low

[riyb-5] 07379 ^ביר^ ReishYodBeit (rîḇ רִיב֙) riyb \@reeb\@ or ^בר^ rib \@reeb\@ from 07378; n m; AV-cause 24, strife 16, controversy 13, contention 2, misc 7; 62
1) strife, controversy, dispute
1a) strife, quarrel

1b) dispute, controversy, case at law

[6] Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

[7] "That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities" Plutarch's Life of Coriolanus (c. 100 AD.)

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+[[Religion]] was about a [[social safety net]] of societies. [[Civil religion]] was a [[snare]] but [[Pure Religion]] sets the [[captive]] free. The [[welfare]] system of many [[city states]] had a tendency to weaken the poor. The [[Corban]] of [[Herod]] and the [[Pharisees]] did that at the time of [[John the Baptist]] and [[Jesus]].
+In reading [[Exodus 23]]:19 some will say that any mixture of meat and milk is forbidden, but others say the reason for this statement about not cooking a kid in its own mother's milk is because it is a form of cruelty to the goat or ewe.
+Sam Harris while debating Jordan Peterson about the value or even the evil in scripture, he made a  feeble attempt to discredit the Bible with the ignorant statement that, "A goat is a goat, is a goat." In the Bible a goat is not always a goat.
+If we only look at the context of this verse within the chapter it is difficult to even imagine that suddenly Moses is adding a food law in the middle of this chapter.  Part of the problem is that people do not really grasp the function of [[priest]]s in [[society]] and the purpose and functions of the [[Altars]] of [[clay and stone]].
+But it is not about the milk or the goat.
+It is about love and righteousness.
+Just as [[covet]]ousness is [[idolatry]]<Ref>{{isidolatry}}</Ref> we can also see that what is some times called "the milk of human kindness" can ruin the tough love required for a free society because it cooks the value of "tough love" which is the ''righteous meat'' of Christ's [[Gospel of the kingdom]].
+In [[Exodus 23]]:3 and  in [[Leviticus 19]]:15 we are told "thou shalt not respect the person<Ref name="hadar">{{01921}}</Ref> of the poor<Ref name="dal">{{01800}}</Ref> in his cause<Ref name="riyb">{{07379}}</Ref>."
+This same Hebrew text seen in [[Exodus 23]]:3 and in  [[Leviticus 19]]:15 shows לֹ֥א תֶהְדַּ֖ר "lo ṯehdar" which means "You shall not show partiality" of the ''poor''. This is why  in [[Exodus 23]]:19  we see the prohibition of [[milk and meat|boiling meat in milk of a goat]] because to much automatic giving which is seen in systems of [[entitlements]] weakens the poor.
+Examine what the sin of  [[Sodom]]<Ref>[[Ezekiel 16]]:49  Behold, this was the [[iniquity]] of thy sister [[Sodom]], pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.</Ref> was all about and why [[free bread]] ruined the people of [[Rome]]<Ref>"That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities" [[Plutarch]]'s ''Life of Coriolanus'' (c. 100 AD.)</Ref> and how it [[degenerate]]s the [[masses]] because it is boiling [[milk and meat|meat and milk]].
+While the [[welfare]] system of a free nation nation has [[elements]] of the ''Macro'' it must begin in the ''Micro'' of the [[Individualism|individual]] and their [[family]]. [[Charity]], what Jesus calls [[love]], begins at home but we are also told that to spare the [[rod]] spoils the child. Understanding why you do not [[Milk and meat|boil meat in milk]] is why you do not spare the [[rod]].
+The [[legal charity]] of the [[social welfare]] of the [[exercise authority|exercising authority]] of the [[state]] which through [[covetous practices]] and the [[force]] of systems [[entitlements]] boil the [[righteous]]ness in the ''[[virtue]] signaling'' of the milk of human kindness.
+It is not a food law but a [[metaphor]] and an [[allegory]] like the prohibition against [[biting one another]], a [[one purse|common purse]] or the [[cities of blood]] which are a [[cauldron]] of flesh.
+<blockquote>
+[[Exodus 23]]:14  Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
+  Thou shalt keep the feast of un[[leaven]]ed bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)
+  And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, [which is] in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
+  Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
+  Thou shalt not offer the [[blood]] of my [[sacrifice]] with [[leaven]]ed bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning.
+  The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. '''Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.'''
+¶  Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
+  Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.
+  But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
+</blockquote>

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