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System in which [[Liberty degenerate|liberty]] is [[degenerate]]d are also forbidden in the [[Bible]] by all the [[prophets]] including Jesus who opposed [[socialism]] and advocated [[ | |||
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: System in which [[Liberty degenerate|liberty]] is [[degenerate]]d are also forbidden in the [[Bible]] by all the [[prophets]] including Jesus who opposed [[socialism]] and advocated [[Capitalism]]. It has always been a departure from [[The Way]] of God into [[darkened|darkness]]. | |||
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| '''Review''' <Br>[[John 6]] [[Bread]] was given and they wanted to make Jesus King. Looking for bread... But you had to eat the bread of life...and live by faith which can only be given in quickening... many Disciples left. | | '''Review''' <Br>[[John 6]] [[Bread]] was given and they wanted to make Jesus King. Looking for bread... But you had to eat the bread of life...and live by faith which can only be given in quickening... many Disciples left. | ||
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18 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no [[unrighteousness]] is in him.'''</span> | 18 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no [[unrighteousness]] is in him.'''</span> | ||
19 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''Did not [[Moses]] give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill<Ref name="apokteino">{{615}}</Ref> me?'''</span> | 19 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''Did not [[Moses]]<Ref name="knewmose">{{knewmose}}</Ref> give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill<Ref name="apokteino">{{615}}</Ref> me?'''</span> | ||
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee? | 20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee? | ||
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24 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''Judge<Ref name="krino">{{2919}}</Ref><Ref name="Bejudged">{{Bejudged}}</Ref> not according to the appearance, but judge<Ref name="krino">{{2919}}</Ref><Ref name="Bejudged">{{Bejudged}}</Ref> [[righteous]] judgment.<Ref name="krisis">{{2920}}</Ref>'''</span> | 24 <span style="color:#FF0000">'''Judge<Ref name="krino">{{2919}}</Ref><Ref name="Bejudged">{{Bejudged}}</Ref> not according to the appearance, but judge<Ref name="krino">{{2919}}</Ref><Ref name="Bejudged">{{Bejudged}}</Ref> [[righteous]] judgment.<Ref name="krisis">{{2920}}</Ref>'''</span> | ||
== Can This Be the Christ? == | == Can This Be the Christ? == | ||
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| Review John 6 Bread was given and they wanted to make Jesus King. Looking for bread... But you had to eat the bread of life...and live by faith which can only be given in quickening... many Disciples left. |
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| V1 Not walking in Jewry[1] is not going where the jurisdiction of Judea was in full power and influence. |
| The northen part of the kingdom of Judea was more racially mixed and a more diverse world. The non-Jewish Samartan territory and the Hellenistic people of Decapolis, ten cities on the eastern frontier of the Roman Empire, were a geopolitical partition from the southern area of influence of Judea containing Jerusalem during the first-century. But there was a deeper distinction in that Galilee was a better agricultural and fishing area populated with country folk who spoke a more rustic Aramaic dialect frowned upon and even mocked by those who thought themselves more sufisticated according to Richard T. (Dick) France who wrote the book Jesus the Radical: A Portrait of the Man they Crucified. |
| v2 there some who want Jesus to go and show what He can do but He already warned them about those who believe by signs. |
| V3-5 In John 6:60 and 6:66 disciples abandoned Christ but are now presenting the same temptations we saw in Matthew and Luke. But this appears to be His own brethren who are trying to get his disciples and their followers back. |
| V6-8 Because more people were starting to get this other Baptism of John the Baptist and Jesus instead of Herod and the pharisees the latter were loosing influence and therefore the support from the people. |
| V9 Jesus stayed in Galilee at first but secretly went to the feast where the Jews did stalk him with apparently evil intent. |
| V13 There was a debate among the people but many feared the Jews because of this competition for followers and the support they would normally render through Corban and they could rely on. |
| V14 half way through the feast appears in the temple and begins teaching with an impressive knowledge of the scriptures (γράμματα grammata)[2] but had not studied (memathēkōs)[3]. |
| Jesus had taught in the synagogues and all over Judea but the use of the term memathēkōs [3] seem to suggest an "increase in one’s knowledge". He seems to be overwhelmiring them with knowledge they cannot refute and information they were not prepared to argue against or may not have heard before or even may have forgotten. |
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| V17-20 What was this new knowledge? |
| V20-24 Was it that he knew about their plot to kill him? |
| Was it deeper knowledge He knew concerning the Sabbath and the circumcision of the heart? |
| Was it because their doctrines of men was focused on appearance (opsin)[4] of the law instead of the Spirit of the law with their false understanding of the Sabbath, circumcision, leaven, etc.? |
| V25-36 there are some who see and some who remain blind. Remembering Jesus warned that there would be many who would think they believed in Him but would not see that they are workers of iniquity are there people today who have the appearance of being Christians but are full of unrighteousness and the leaven of covetous practices of men who exercise authority, rob widows and orphans, and bite one another with uncircumcised hearts and seared consciences? |
| V37-39 the Gospel explains the water he gives to drink is not physicall water but the Holy Spirit. Is eating his flesh about a wafer or crumb of bread or being doer of the word, the Logos? |
| V40-44 A division? |
| V45-49 Even their own officers doubt what they had believed and begin to believe in the logos of Christ as would many Romans. |
| V50-53 Nicodemus speaks up and everyone returns to their own house. |
Jesus at the Feast of Booths
1 ¶ After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry[1][Judea], because the Jews sought to kill[5] him.
2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand.
Show thyself
3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
My time is not yet
6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
From Galilee in secret
9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
Stalking and murmuring
11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth[6] the people.
13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
Jesus taught in temple
14 ¶ Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters[2], having never learned?[3]
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Doing the will reveals
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
19 Did not Moses[7] give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill[5] me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge[8][9] not according to the appearance, but judge[8][9] righteous judgment.[10]
Can This Be the Christ?
25 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?
26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ?
27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.
28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.
30 Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.
31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?
Officers Sent to Arrest Jesus
32 The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.
33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?
Rivers of Living Water
37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Division Among the People
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
44 And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.
Even Officer doubted
45 ¶ Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
Nicodemus speaks
50 Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
53 And every man went unto his own house.
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- ↑ 1.0 1.1 2449 Ἰουδαία Ioudaia [ee-oo-dah’-yah] feminine of 2453 (with 1093 implied); n pr loc; TDNT-3:356,372; [{See TDNT 336 }] AV-Judaea 44; 44
- Judaea = "he shall be praised"
- 1) in a narrower sense, to the southern portion of Palestine lying on this side of the Jordan and the Dead Sea, to distinguish it from Samaria, Galilee, Peraea, and Idumaea
- 2) in a broader sense, referring to all Palestine
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 1121 γράμμα gramma [gram’-mah] from 1125 grapho to write; n n; TDNT-1:761,128; [{See TDNT 164 }] AV-letter 9, bill 2, writing 1, learning 1, scripture 1, written + 1722 1; 15
- 1) a letter
- 2) any writing, a document or record
- 2a) a note of hand, bill, bond, account, written acknowledgement of a debt
- 2b) a letter, an epistle
- 2c) the sacred writings (of the OT)
- 3) letters, i.e. learning
- 3a) of sacred learning
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3129 ~μανθάνω~ manthano \@man-than’-o\@ prolongation from a primary verb, another form of which, matheo, is used as an alternate in certain tenses; TDNT-4:390,552; {See TDNT 464} v AV-learn 24, understand 1; 25
- 1) to learn, be appraised
- 1a) to increase one’s knowledge, to be increased in knowledge
- 1b) to hear, be informed
- 1c) to learn by use and practice
- 1c1) to be in the habit of, accustomed to
- 1) to learn, be appraised
- ↑ 3779 οὕτω houto [hoo’-to] or (before a vowel) οὕτως houtos [hoo’-toce] from 3778 οὗτος houtos this, these; adv; AV-so 164, thus 17, even so 9, on this wise 6, likewise 4, after this manner 3, misc 10; 213
- 1) in this manner, thus, so
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 615 ἀποκτείνω apokteino [ap-ok-ti’-no] from 575 apo meaning "separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc." and kteino (to slay); v;
AV-kill 55, slay 14, put to death 6; 75
- 1) to kill in any way whatever
- 1a) to destroy, to allow to perish
- 2) metaph. to extinguish, abolish
- 2a) to inflict mortal death
- 2b) to deprive of spiritual life and procure eternal misery in hell
- 1) to kill in any way whatever
- ↑ 4105 ~πλανάω~ planao \@plan-ah’-o\@ from 4106; v AV-deceive 24, err 6, go astray 5, seduce 2, wander 1, be out of the way 1; 39
- 1) to cause to stray, to lead astray, lead aside from the right way
- 1a) to go astray, wander, roam about
- 2) metaph.
- 2a) to lead away from the truth, to lead into error, to deceive
- 2b) to be led into error
- 2c) to be led aside from the path of virtue, to go astray, sin
- 2d) to sever or fall away from the truth
- 2d1) of heretics
- 2e) to be led away into error and sin
- 1) to cause to stray, to lead astray, lead aside from the right way
- ↑ If ye believed Moses
- John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
- John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
- Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. (Acts 7:37)
- ↑ 8.0 8.1 2919 ~κρίνω~ krino \@kree’-no\@ perhaps a primitive word; TDNT-3:921,469; {See TDNT 412} v AV-judge 88, determine 7, condemn 5, go to law 2, call in question 2, esteem 2, misc 8; 114
- 1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose
- 2) to approve, esteem, to prefer
- 3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion
- 4) to determine, resolve, decree
- 5) to judge
- 5a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong
- 5a1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one’s case may be examined and judgment passed upon it
- 5b) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure
- 5b1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others
- 5a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong
- 6) to rule, govern
- 6a) to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to passjudgment
- 7) to contend together, of warriors and combatants
- 7a) to dispute
- 7b) in a forensic sense
- 7b1) to go to law, have suit at law
- ↑ 9.0 9.1 Judge not
- Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
- Luke 6:37 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: [forgive], and ye shall be forgiven:"
- John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
- Isaiah 1:23 "Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them." See Pure Religion.
- John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge(2919) him not: for I came not to judge(2919) the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
- ↑ 2920 κρίσις krisis [kree’-sis] perhaps a primitive word; n f; TDNT-3:941,469; [{See TDNT 412 }] AV-judgment 41, damnation 3, accusation 2, condemnation 2; 48
- 1) a separating, sundering, separation
- 1a) a trial, contest
- 2) selection
- 3) judgment
- 3a) opinion or decision given concerning anything
- 3a1) esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
- 3b) sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
- 3a) opinion or decision given concerning anything
- 4) the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
- 5) right, justice
- 1) a separating, sundering, separation