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Episode 10

Jordan Peterson, Exodus: Episode 10

Begins with the reading of Exodus 20 although it had already discussed the first five statements of what is called the "Ten Commandments".

Do not kill should be translated do not murder (Ratsac murder).

Harag means kill.

Moses killed Egyptian which is described with "nakah" which is not the Hebrew word Ratsac which is defined as murder.

Cain "slew" (harag) Able but no one was to kill (nakah) Cain.

Jonathan thinks a lot of the punishments for braking the law is to be put to death.

"Surley put to death" may not be about capital punishment.

First five commandments are about being a giver of life and liberty like the God of creation if we worship or serve that God.

Last five

The last five commandments are about not taking the life or liberty from another and are summed up in not even desiring to do so by coveting that life and liberty for personal gain or satisfaction.

Does everyman around that table covet their neighbors' goods, life and liberty?

What of the vast tables of dainties provided by rulers who exercise authority one over the other?

To "not commit adultery" means not adulterating anything, not merely your marriage relationship. But it would include even your relationship by faith with the Creator God. Most of the time when you see adultery in the Bible it is referring to national adultery or "idolatrous worship".

No one commits adultery unless they desire to commit it.

Dennis Prager does not see lusting after a women as already committing adultery as we see Jesus explain in the New Testament.

But lusting after a married women would be violating the statement about coveting your neighbors' wife. making these ten statements into ten commandments or ten laws allows the individual to think of them as modern statutes taking on the character of infractions, "a violation or infringement of a law or agreement.".

This bring us to the spirit verses the letter of the law mentioned by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

And of course there is Hebrews 8:9 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

This idea or problem of letter verses spirit was not new to the New Testament.

Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

Proverbs 7:3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I [am] the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

Coveting violations

But since "covetousness... is idolatry" this would nececarily include consuming the benefits and dainties at the tables of rulers which is a snare according to the warnings of David, Paul, Peter and all the prophets, because they are the covetous practices which is both adultery and idolatry. This would include the the benefits offered by men in governments who exercise authority one over the other forbidden by Jesus.

Intention

Intention are not good because they conform to our feelings. That would be an "if it fells good do it philosophy."

Good intentions must conform to right reason, which is divine will which gives life.

Does the life of the many out way the life of the one, or does the life of the one out way the life of the many?

Which choice is good?

Out come in the short fall nor personal intent do not determine if a thing is good.

The what does?

How can we tell?

Tree of knowledge ? Or

Tree of life?

Save life?

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Sacrifice life?

John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. 49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

Dennis sees the ten statements as ten "laws" more like what we call statutes, as codes of actions. See Hammurabi codes vs statements of natural principles

He says there is no restriction about lusting after the woman like Christ states That approach reduces the 10 statements about the preexisting law of the creator to little more than branches of the tree of knowledge.

It may alter your actions but not your soul.

If they are just a matter of acting or not acting many cowards would be saints.

No one in the panel seems to see the outline of the nature of God as a key to the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

Hammurabi codes vs statements of natural principles

What is the danger of codifying like like the Hammurabi codes?

Should we see these statements of God and Moses as natural principles or codes, statutes, or laws?

Are they self evident and if not then why?

28: Are the Commandments self evident? The answer from Jordan was not if you are a psychopath.

(28:55) Jordan calls these commandments "Principles". Are all Ten Commandments actually principles built into creation and universal?

They may be universal from the beginning but some may be perceived as innovative as Os suggests.

Assuming God is not a psychopath and His statements are coming from Right Reason which also called Natural Law then they would be universal.

Os only seems to think that 6 through 9 are universal and 4 and 5 and even 10 are innovative.

This opinion could be the result of a failure to understand the fulness of each statement which is more likely if we see them as codes or laws rather than spiritual principles built into creation from the beginning.

As codes, statutes, or laws they are reduced to words and interpretations examined by men in the tree of knowledge but as principles of the creator they can only be understood with the revelation of Right Reason and the Natural Law.

Adultery

41: Is revelation in the macro or the micro?

Does it begin with the individual which the panel said was the "bottom up"?

43: Jonathan Pageau mentions the "patterns of reality" and when it clicks that is revelation. Dr James Orr talks about revelation as "the candle of the LORD" that is inscribed in the heart of the individual. This is the divine spark or tree of life, a connection to the Holy Spirit.

But the individual is endowed with rights so the individual has the prior right and therefor he is the creator government, often in the image of his own heart and mind. Blackwood sees we have to have something that is receptive but the psychopath has a conscience that is seared so he will not see a divine pattern.

Moses and his God YHWH are telling us the patterns of the universe as they relate to the patterns of a free society which should be self evident. These patterns repeat themselves. Again this is not Hammurabi or Nimrod codifying laws and 613 statutes but these are the precepts of creation repeating themselves on countless levels of understanding.

By 46: minutes in Stephen James Blackwood ask why adultery is deemed important here?

Of course society is born in the Family and it is therefore the building unit of society. If you break down the family tyranny will have an easier time to mold if not oppress society. But is adultery exclusively marital adultery?

In all societies each family contain both male and female offices. By nature the female nurtures the family and the male protects the family and and its provisions. This pattern is repeated on a national level and we see it through out the scriptures individually and nationally.

The priestly and enforcement hands of society are the left and right hands of government both in central and in free or self government systems.

Central governments also emulate the family on a national basis. There is the Parens Patriae of a nation which we see in the office of Patronus. But there is also the office of the Priesthood which included a part of the religion of society. Religion was the way people provided and cared for the nurturing of life, heart and mind. Pure Religion was how you care for the need and is often the feminine or bride or virtuous women.

The leaders or rulers were the part of society that protected and guarded society. When these two offices are blended the serpent slithers in with more advise. When the power of the protector or father of society the nurturing milk of human kindness will boil the meat of society in covetous practices which degenerate society.

A free society must take care of the needy of its communities through fervent charity or else the social bonds that are created by love within that nation will degenerate. If you care for the needy with legal charity which is essentially the dainties of rulers who exercise authority one over the other you will need a social contract which creates the bands that bind society together.

In these systems you will find centralized treasuries, forced offerings, oaths of loyalty and rulers and men to judicate the matters of dispute. Those men will be ruling judges. But earlier commandments told us not to make covenants with the inhabitants nor their gods.

Tyranny and Tyrants

How does a tyranny survive?

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Larry Arnn thinks it is by corruption but Os suggests it require slavery? They are actually both right.

We must define what is slavery?

Are we talking a corvee slavery like the bondage of Egypt which resulted from an indenture back in the day of Joseph when they needed to obtain benefits in the form of free bread from Pharaoh during a dearth or famine in the land.

That is clearly warned against throughout the Biblical text.

Larry Paul Arnn is incorrect when he thinks slavery is for a minority because you would not have the people to keep order if you wanted to enslave the whole country. But he is right when he says they do it through corruption of the people.

A tyrant can enslave a whole nation easily if he can make the people think they are free. This is easily done if the people do not want to admit that their practices are immoral. Examples of this being done successfully are pervasive throughout history but it is difficult for some to see if their own vanity keeps them imprisoned in their own personal and collective but strong delusion.

"Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. A feeble senate and enervated people cheerfully acquiesced in the pleasing illusion, as long as it was supported by the virtue, or even by the prudence, of the successors of Augustus. It was a motive of self-preservation, not a principle of liberty, that animated the conspirators against Caligula, Nero, and Domitian. They attacked the person of the tyrant, without aiming their blow at the authority of the emperor."

The "feeble senate and enervated people" was not merely the result of general prosperity of the nation. Prosperity alone does not always enervate the people. It was the "treats and gratuities" of Julius Caesar that first ruined the people. He had been the former Flamen Dialis or high priest of the temple of Jupiter who changed his career to that of the military with ambitions to be the commander in chief of Rome.

While Moses would make it clear in Exodus 23:7 "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked. 8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous. 9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."

Julius Caesar would disregard this wisdom even though Polybius had publish a reminder of these principles before Julius was born. The priest funded those gifts or bribes with the spoils of the soldier which had robbed from Gaul and the lucrative and immoral slave trade of the Celtic, Teutoni, Cimbri, and the Boii widows and orphans he had created.

The eyes of the Roman people were darkened as their conscience was seared and they lost the will to prosecute Julius Caesar for his war crimes against the people of Gaul because of their "appetite for benefits and the habit of receiving them by way of a rule of force and violence" which would eventually degenerate the people even more. Augustus would simply continue the process until the people had "grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others" until they all became a nation of little tyrants and perfect savages.

The desire of tyrants

The desire of tyrants "begins in the hearts and minds of the people". It is the making of everyman into a tyrant which impowers tyranny. This is what Moses and Christ were saying from the beginning.

These covetous practices of the people of Rome would continue to dissolve the social bonds of liberty which Augustus and all the Caesars would expound upon with more and more of their free bread through legal charity.

The charity of the Roman people that had made them great was soon replaced by the legal charity offered at their tables of public religion made available through their government temples.

Herod and the Pharisees followed this way of legal charity through their institution of Corban but John the Baptist and Jesus said were not to be that way. The Corban if Christ was according to the true meaning of Moses' Altars of Clay and stone because it was the way.

Desiring benefits from men in governments who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other does qualify as corruption and immoral but few are willing to see it. The people of the world have become so accustomed to those covetous practices since FDR and LBJ. Few people today are even willing or able to make that obvious connection even though it is a major theme of Christ.

The reasons for this are the vain words, of Modern religion where the blind lead the blind in false religion and therefore whole world has become entangled in the yoke of bondage.

The reason there has seemed to be so many tyrannical measure and rule making with impunity is people have been judging it is okay to rule over their own neighbor and we should know that as we judge so shall you be judged.

Arrn does mention (31:)Book five of Aristotle's politics concerning the five rules for tyrants and the story of Eurytus with the young and old tyrants.

Yes, the scything the tallest shoots of the wheat field that stick their head up above the crowd is a tactic of the tyrant but the seed of tyranny "begins in the hearts and minds of the people" when the people choose to bite one another because of that covetous appetite.

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Gods vs monotheistic

God's many? Monotheistic.

To be THE GOD of creation would be by the Law of Nature or Right Reason a singular or mono source of any Divine Will.

49:... When they began to talk of monotheism vs many gods they began to all talk over each other. they struggle back and fourth with these terms and never see beyond their preconceived notions concerning gods and demons of principalities but cannot seem to fully defined their terms. Maybe because of lack of knowledge or ignorance but maybe because they would have to get closer to the truth of their own position.

Jordan, as a psychologist, even sees the gods like composites of our own minds creating identities of greed and envy or anger and hate which can literally posses us. The cultivation of anger, jealousy or any of these numerous characteristics may be a process of cultures and practices but that process is governed by the monotheistic God of gods.

When characteristic like fear and anger become a personality pattern through trauma and denial it creates a mental or motivational momentum within the corporeal identity of an individual that drags or catapults behavior as if it has a mind of its own.

59: Jonathan Pageau takes it back to the micro vs macro issue.

We can observe these processes in dysphoria and psychosis like depression or OCD etc. But while these principles of nature begin with the individual they permeate nations.

What is a god

But if the original terms for "god", specifically "elohim" in the Hebrew and "theos" in the Greek, are the office of "ruling judges" of a limited jurisdiction then there are definably "gods many".

The "gods many" may have personalities or characteristics in different proportions which we can identify in the myths describing Greek or Norse gods like Thor and Loki.

A "mimesis of malice" that may be observed has its own frequency pattern or "cosmic form" that begins in the "micro" but become predominant in a "macro" of a nation.

101 Dennis questions that fear and anger is an agency that controls our actions because then we have an excuse but Peterson makes reference to the fact he thinks there are other forces within you that may give you the ability to control the "fear and anger".

There are other forces but your choice is in calling upon them or opening up to that force which may over power fear and anger.

That force could be identified as the Holy Spirit which having the characteristics of "name" of The Monotheistic God of creation may overcome the influence of "fear and anger" which are merely the absence of the positive characteristics of "courage and love" which are allowed into us in the "micro" of our own mind and soul.

The "courage and love" come by way of the light of the Creator if we will let go of the denial that drove us from the tree of life, and accept the whole truth which requires the humility of forgiveness and the truth that you cannot decide "good and evil" for yourself with your own knowledge and certainly no for others.

Cain and Able

Cain Able sacrifice 102:

Why were they different?

Both Prager and Peterson think that the text does not say what was wrong with Cain's sacrifice.

It was not what was given but the the way and function of their altars.

Genesis 4:6, 7 "And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

What wroth? and countenance?

109:

If there is "an implicate cosmic order" from monotheistic macro to the heart and mind of the micro,individual, then when the microw rejects the "Name", "image", "character", "Holy Spirit" of The God the micro will create the laviathon, the Beast that goes about devouring who it wills.

110:

There must be "order" in the micro which cannot come by our own design but by the Divine Will which Moses is trying to share and explain through the ten statements and judgements.

Murder includes attack on the person.

Adultery is often relegated to sexual conjugal relations violating marital vows but in fact it includes all adulteration including national adultery.

Not steal

112: To not steal means there are property rights.

Property begins in the micro.

Even owning all things in common does not usurp individual rights because they own only as joint heirs in a legal system under God where they, in the micro as individual stones, cannot exercise authority one over the other.

You need to have property in order to share and invest in order to be fruitful.

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.

Bearing false witness is not exclusive to the witness stand.

Coveting

125: to 145:

Coveting is not "an entirely internal act" as stated by James Blackwood.

Coveting is desiring what belongs to other people.

They never addressed legal charity which is certainly not "an entirely internal act" but is desiring what at least legally belong to another which is coveting

135...140: Pornography and sin is about momentum and waste.

142: To be my follower you must Hate your family is easier to understand if we can grasp that Hate is merely loving something less...

144: "The pain of a living creature."

We are to love our neighbor and even our enemy and certainly our family but none should be loved more than the righteousness of God.

Commandments are not boundaries for which you are punished by a judgmental God.

They are the wise counsel of a loving Father and Creator of life.

The test

145:

The ten statements while unique historically they are not entirely original.

Fear not for God has come to prove you, "test"??

Fear before your faces that you sin not.

Awe, respect, "cosmic"

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Altars step and nakedness

150:.. 159:

Here is how you worship Me... "Draw near".

Make altars of unhewn stones.

Exodus 20:23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold. 24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. 25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

Hewn stones are shaped by the will or hand of someone other than God or metaphorically regulated offices of living stones.

Their panel all seemed stumped by the command concerning altars of unhewn stones and not going up by steps to prevent the revealing of their nakedness.

This same nakedness will be mentioned in Exodus 28:42 "And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:"

Of course the making of these breeches has nothing to do with making underwear but is again a metaphor.

154:

Peterson admit someone is missing that could give them the answer.

Dennis thinks this is about the sexualization of religion but that would be misleading to stop at that explanation even though it is about dominance which is often at the center of sexual perversion.

Much of their confusion comes from their blindness to what coveting means and how that appetite for benefits at the expenses of their neighbor is all around them in their own nations and certainly not limited to "communism".

Nakedness has to do with lack of exercising authority.

Their priests do not have an exercising authority. That is why they are naked just like Adam and Eve did not have the "authority" to decide what was "good and evil" with their own minds.

The priest did not have an exercising authority over each other or over the people but only over things given "freely".

If people do not understand the social structure and function of the altars of clay and stone and the duty of "religion" that rests wit the public servants of the people called priests in this free society they will be unable to make the distinction between "freewill sacrifice" and "forced sacrifices in the bondage of Egypt" they will become lost in their own theologies whether they be Jew or Gentile.

So those steps have to do with an hierarchy of exercising authority one over the other through a legal structure of men over other men.

Legal charity always includes that authority and is in opposition to these teachings of both Moses and Jesus who were in agreement.