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Conversation in ancient text often meant far more than talking but had to do with how we enter acted within society, how we participated in society.

Past Conversations

The Hebrew and Greek words that are translated in modern Bible's as "conversation" often have totally different meanings than what comes to our minds when we read the word conversation in modern English text.

The word "conversation" should trigger in our minds a picture of "people of action", not merely "people of talk" for we are called to be doers of the word. The Hebrew and Greek words translated into conversation may have not only a literal meaning in the original languages but may signify legal relationships within the societies of their use at that time.

They may suggest a reciprocation of duties and obligations as well as superiority, subjection or equality depending upon the nature and manner of the conversation.

One conversation by its nature may lead to bondage and subjection while the other may lead to liberty and freedom.

English conversation

The English word conversation appears twenty times in the King James Version of the Bible.

The dictionary defines the conversation as,

1. a spoken exchange of thoughts, opinions and feelings; talk.
2. an informal discussion of a matter or an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or organizations.
3. a real time interaction with a computer.[1]

Are these definitions common to people today?

But are these definitions the same as what the authors meant at the tme?

Hebrew conversations

Psalms 37:14 "The wicked[2] have drawn out the sword[3], and have bent their bow[4], to cast down the poor and needy, [and] to slay such as be of upright conversation."[5]

Psalms 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth [his] conversation [a right][5] will I shew[6] the salvation[7] of God.

The two times the word conversation appears in the Hebrew Old Testament are both in the book of Psalms translated from the root “Derek” spelled “Dalet-Reish-Kaf”.

The Hebrew word “Derek” is derived from the Hebrew word “resh-chets” meaning “a path”. As a verb the Hebrew word “Derek” means to tread, to take a step, a journey. As a noun the Hebrew word “Derek” means a road; a road that is walked, as well as the path, the path of life, way, toward, journey. A course of life, a mode of action, manner.

So when we read Psalms 37:14, “The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, [and] to slay such as be of upright conversation.”

Instead of conversation as in “talking in the sense of a spoken exchange of thoughts, opinions or feelings”. We should read this as, “Those hostile and against God have opened, loosed and set free a laying waste, and have tread upon and marched forth in their might and power, to attack and overthrow the poor, humble, weak, lowly and needy, those delivered by God, those who suffer undeservedly for pious worship of God, [and] to slay, kill brutally and ruthlessly, such as walk or tread an upright, righteous, correct, pleasing and proper way or path of life.”

Psalms 50:23 reads, “Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth [his] conversation] [aright] will I shew the salvation of God.” We can re-write this verse as, “Whoso offereth (a free will offering or sacrifice) praise (thanksgiving) glorifieth (give honor to) me: and to him that ordereth [his] conversation (walk or tread an upright, righteous, correct, pleasing and proper way or path of life) [aright] will I shew the salvation (victory, rescue, safety, deliverance, welfare, prosperity) of God.

Greek conversations

In the New Testament there are five different Greek words that are used eighteen different times to express the single idea of a "conversation". Thirteen times the noun anastrophe with the Strong’s numbered 391[8] is translated conversation . Two times verb anastrepho numbered 390[9] is translated conversation but also translated return, live, abide, overthrow, behave etc..

There is another different word translated conversation that is from the Greek word polites a noun numbered 4177[10] consistently meaning citizen. From the word meaning citizen we get the Greek noun politeuma numbered 4175[11] which we see once in Philippians [12] where Paul is literally saying that our "administration of civil affairs" our "state", our citizenship is not of the "world" but is in "heaven".

If you are led to think that Paul is suggesting we are supposed to "talk to heaven" by this misleading translation of politeuma as merely having a conversation ypoi may need to rethink your opinion about the gospel of the Kingdom. Christians had a daily ministration and a system of emergency assistance for Christians when their were dearths. We see the early Church operating a vast system of fervent charity all over the Roman Empire and getting persecuted because they would not sign up for the legal charity and the free bread and dainties offered by the Roman State and its Imperial Cult of Rome.

The the Greek verb politeuomai, also from the word meaning citizen[10] is numbered 4176[13] and of course means "to be a citizen" and "to administer civil affairs" as is the duty of every citizen.

In Philippians 1:27[14] Paul is telling us “to behave as a citizen” worthy of the Gospel of Christ which is the Gospel of the kingdom of heaven[15].

Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah, the Highest son of David, the rightful king of Peace[16] of the Kingdom of God at hand, announced that He would take that kingdom away[17] from those who sat in the seat of Moses and give it to a nation who would bear fruit.

Jesus then proclaimed that he would appoint that kingdom, that unique form of government, to His little flock[18] which he did.[19]

Jesus also instructed His Apostles that His kingdom of God was not to be like the governments of the world of the gentiles which had rulers that called themselves Benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other.[20]

Of course to make an agreement or consent with rulers in order to receive and eat the benefits and dainties of their table would be a snare and bring them make into bondage. If the early Christians signed up to receive the free bread of Rome they people would be ruined[21] and become subject to the obligations and responsibilities that accompanied that system of welfare.

Of course at Pentecost when they were put out of the synagogue and temple system of Corban created by Herod and the Pharisees they had to take care of those civil matters of public welfare themselves.

Their daily ministration of rightly dividing bread from house to house in the practice of Pure Religion made them a peculiar people.

Christians were depended upon voluntary system of charity of the people, for the people, and by the people, which sets men free, through the perfect law of liberty. They could not exercise authority one over the other, nor force the contributions of the people, but provide for the needs of the people as a servant government through charity.


Administer civil affairs

The Greek verb “politeuo” πολιτευω , literally meaning "to live as a citizen", “to be a citizen”. “Politeuo” comes from “Polites” which is “a townsman, a citizen, a member of a city or a state, or the inhabitant of a country or district. “Polites” comes from “Polis” a town, a city, properly with walls, a town enclosed by walls. The definition of Politeuomai”[22] also means “to administer civil affairs and manage the state”, “to avail one's self of or recognize the laws” and “to conduct one's self as pledged to some law of life.”

The term polites from the word polis consistently translated city[23] meaning consistently citizen. The term polites is used by Jesus twice in Luke.[24] The term polites is also used in Acts to describe Paul who was not a citizen of Rome but of Tarsus.[25]

So, they knew that the welfare, the free bread offered by the world was a part of the conversation</Ref> and 5158[26] of civil affairs must be without covetousness as we see in Hebrew 13[27]

anastrepho

Another verb translated conversation was anastrepho with the Strong’s number 390 which is used in 2 Corinthians 1:12[28] and in Ephesians 2:3[29]. The Greek word “Anastrepho” also is said to mean to overturn, to return, to busy oneself, to conduct oneself, behave, live.

We also see the noun anastrophe with Strong’s number 391 translated 13 times as conversation.[30] The Greek word “Anastrophe” is said to literally mean a turning back and is translated manner of life, how one lives includes the doctrine of Jesus concerning being a doer of the word[31]and following the way.

We can see that these two Greek words anastrophe and anastropho are very similar in meaning compared to the Hebrew word “Derek” meaning a path of life, the road that we walk as we live.

How we “behave” our “manner of life”, how we choose to live our lives is really how we should be translating the English word “conversation” in all of the previously mentioned verses in the Bible.



Philippians 1:27 reads, “Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;” And it could be read as, “But let your conduct as one pledged to obey God’s natural law of life be as a manner worthy of the reward for good tidings of the anointed King: so that if I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one set-apart, separate or ‘holy’ character/spirit, with one mind striving together in the fidelity and conviction of the glad tidings of the kingdom of God;”

In Philippians 3:20 the word is translated from the Strong’s Greek word number 4175[22] and is the Greek word “Politeuma” and means a “community” or “citizenship” and is derived from 4176 the same Greek word in Philippians 1:27.

Philippians 3:20 reads, “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:” And could read, “For our community and citizenship is under the vaulted expanse of the starry sky, the whole earth and the whole universe for YaHuWaH created it all; out of that, likewise we wait for the Prince who is the preserver, the deliverer, the one who saves, the Sovereign Master, Yahushua the Messiah (the Anointed) King.”

Hebrews 13:5 is the last verse that uses a different Strong’s Greek word number. Number 5158 is the Greek word, “Tropos” and means “a turn, mode or style”, “deportment or character”. Tropos as a noun means a turning, fashion, manner, character and way of life. Again we see this definition “a way of life and character”.

Hebrews 13:5 reads, “[Let your] conversation] [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”

If you were not aware, in the King James version of the Bible any time we see words in brackets it means those words were not in the original scrolls or papyri, but were added by the translators. This could be a good thing, but a lot of the time it is not, it actually takes away and detracts from the original intent as the translators are trying to make the text more readable.

Hebrew 13:5, “The manner and character of life without covet ousness; satisfied and content, possessed with unfailing strength to be ready at hand: for he hath said, I will never give up, send back, let sink or leave thee, nor forsake, abandon or leave thee behind.”

What and where is your conversation?

Is it just to talk and speak an exchange of ideas, thoughts and feelings?

Or should your conversation be the character in which you walk your path and journey through life?

What does your conversation, the character in which you have chosen to walk out your life say about you thus far?

Are you content and satisfied possessed with unfailing strength, always ready at hand, being a citizen of the kingdom of God/heaven that is anywhere and everywhere under the vast expanse of the sky wherever two or three are gathered in His name, character, nature and spirit of righteousness, know that the King rules on his thrown forever and ever as the Creator, the loving forgiver and Father that never gives up on us, nor does He send us back, nor lets us sink and will never abandon or leave behind His citizens that walk out their lives following His path and way.

  1. ↑ The American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition on page 320
  2. ↑ Changes Hey to Chet Mem07563 עשׁר AyinShinReish rasha‘ raw-shaw’ from the verb 07561 AyinShinReish condemn; adj; {See TWOT on 2222 @@ "2222b"} AV-wicked 249, ungodly 8, wicked man 3, misc 3; 263
    1) wicked, criminal
    1a) guilty one, one guilty of crime (subst)
    1b) wicked (hostile to God)
    1c) wicked, guilty of sin (against God or man)
    • ע Ayin also U. Divine Providence "eye" or "fountain" of five states of kindness or severity. AlefYodNun or nothingness as opposed to AlefShin something [eye, watch] (Numeric value: 70)
    • ש Shin Eternal Flame of Spiritual Revelation, bound to the coal of righteousness, the Divine Essence. [sun... teeth... consume destroy] (Numeric value: 300)
    • ר Reish Process of Clarification The "head" or "beginning". Life's revelation. [Head... Person head highest] (Numeric value: 200)
  3. ↑ Added a Mem and Yod02719 חֶרֶב‎ chereb [kheh’-reb] from 02717; n f; [BDB-352a] [{See TWOT on 732 @@ "732a" }] AV-sword 401, knife 5, dagger 3, axes 1, mattocks 1, TOOL 1, sword + 03027 1; 413
    1) sword, knife
    1a) sword
    1b) knife
    1c) tools for cutting stone
  4. ↑ Added a Mem07198 קֶשֶׁת‎ qesheth [keh’-sheth] from 07185 in the original sense of 06983 of bending; n f; [BDB-905b] [{See TWOT on 2093 }] AV-bow 68, archers + 03384 3, archers 2, archers + 01869 1, misc 3; 77
    1) bow
    1a) bow (for hunting, battle)
    1b) bowmen, archers
    1c) bow (fig. of might)
    1d) rainbow
  5. ↑ 5.0 5.1 01870 דֶּרֶךְ‎ derek [deh’-rek] DaletReishKaf from 01869 DaletReishKaf tread or bend; n m/n f; [BDB-202b] [{See TWOT on 453 @@ "453a" }] AV-way 590, toward 31, journey 23, manner 8, misc 53; 705
    1) way, road, distance, journey, manner
    1a) road, way, path
    1b) journey
    1c) direction
    1d) manner, habit, way
    1e) of course of life (fig.)
    1f) of moral character (fig.)
    • ד Dalet Selflessness – Charity, back and forth or through a door or pathway, to enter like a fish (Numeric value: 4)
    • ר Reish Process of Clarification The "head" or "beginning". Life's revelation. [Head... Person head highest] (Numeric value: 200)
    • כ ך Kaf K Crown: To Actualize Potential power from spiritual to physical realm [to cover, strength] (Numeric value: 20)
  6. ↑ AlefReishAlefNunVav
    07200 רָאָה‎ ReishAlefHey ra’ah [raw-aw’] a primitive root; v; [BDB-906a] [{See TWOT on 2095 }] AV-see 879, look 104, behold 83, shew 68, appear 66, consider 22, seer 12, spy 6, respect 5, perceive 5, provide 4, regard 4, enjoy 4, lo 3, foreseeth 2, heed 2, misc 74; 1313
    1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider
    1a) (Qal)
    1a1) to see
    1a2) to see, perceive
    1a3) to see, have vision
    1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out
    1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish
    1a6) to look at, gaze at
    1b) (Niphal)
    1b1) to appear, present oneself
    1b2) to be seen
    1b3) to be visible
    1c) (Pual) to be seen
    1d) (Hiphil)
    1d1) to cause to see, show
    1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at
    1e) (Hophal)
    1e1) to be caused to see, be shown
    1e2) to be exhibited to
    1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face
  7. ↑ BeitYodShinAyin
    03468 יֶשַׁע‎ yesha‘ [yeh’-shah] orישׁע‎ yesha‘ [yay’-shah]from 03467; n m; [BDB-447a] [{See TWOT on 929 @@ "929a" }] AV-salvation 32, safety 3, saving 1; 36
    1) deliverance, salvation, rescue, safety, welfare
    1a) safety, welfare, prosperity
    1b) salvation
    1c) victory
  8. ↑ 391 ~ἀναστροφή~ anastrophe \@an-as-trof-ay’\@ from 390; TDNT-7:715,1093; {See TDNT 752} n f AV-conversation 13; 13
    1) manner of life, conduct, behaviour, deportment
  9. ↑ 390 ~ἀναστρέφω~ anastrepho \@an-as-tref’-o\@ as a noun is 391 from 303 and 4762; TDNT-7:715,1093; {See TDNT 752} v AV-return 2, have conversation 2, live 2, abide 1, overthrow 1, behave (one’s) self 1, be used 1, pass 1; 11
    1) to turn upside down, overturn
    2) to turn back
    3) to turn hither and thither, to turn one’s self about, sojourn dwell in a place
    4) metaph. to conduct one’s self, behave one’s self, live
  10. ↑ 10.0 10.1 4177 ~πολίτης~ polites \@pol-ee’-tace\@ from 4172; n m AV-citizen 3; 3
    1) a citizen
    1a) the inhabitant of any city or country
    1b) the association of another in citizenship
    1b1) a fellow citizen, fellow countryman
  11. ↑ 4175 ~πολίτευμα~ politeuma \@pol-it’-yoo-mah\@ from 4176; n n AV-conversation 1; 1
    1) the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth
    2) the constitution of a commonwealth, form of government and the laws by which it is administered
    3) a state, commonwealth 3a) the commonwealth of citizens
  12. ↑ Philippians 3:20 For our conversation <4175> is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
  13. ↑ 4176 ~πολιτεύομαι~ politeuomai \@pol-it-yoo’-om-ahee\@ middle voice of a derivative of 4177 polites "the inhabitant of any city or country" from the word polis; v AV-live 1, let (one’s) conversation be 1; 2
    1) to be a citizen
    2) to administer civil affairs, manage the state
    3) to make or create a citizen 3a) to be a citizen 3b) to behave as a citizen 3b1) to avail one’s self of or recognise the laws 3b2) to conduct one’s self as pledged to some law of life"
  14. ↑ Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be <4176> as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
  15. ↑ 3772 οὐρανός ouranos [oo-ran-os’] perhaps from the same as 3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; n m; TDNT-5:497,736; [{See TDNT 571 }] AV-heaven 268, air 10, sky 5, heavenly + 1537; 284
    1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it
    1a) the universe, the world
    1b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced
    1c) the sidereal or starry heavens
    2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings
  16. ↑ Proclaimed by Rome Nailing it to His cross
  17. ↑ Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
  18. ↑ Luke 12:32 "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
  19. ↑ Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
  20. ↑ Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you:...
    Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you:...
    Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
  21. ↑ "That the man who first ruined the Roman people twas he who first gave them treats and gratuities" Plutarch's Life of Coriolanus (c. 100 AD.)
  22. ↑ 22.0 22.1 4175 ~πολίτευμα~ politeuma \@pol-it’-yoo-mah\@ from 4176; n n AV-conversation 1; 1
    1) the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth
    2) the constitution of a commonwealth, form of government and the laws by which it is administered
    3) a state, commonwealth 3a) the commonwealth of citizens
  23. ↑ 4172 ~πόλις~ polis \@pol’-is\@ probably from the same as polemos 4171 meaning war, or perhaps from polus 4183 meaning many, much, large; n f AV-city 164; 164
    1) a city
    1a) one’s native city, the city in which one lives
    1b) the heavenly Jerusalem
    1b1) the abode of the blessed in heaven
    1b2) of the visible capital in the heavenly kingdom, to come down to earth after the renovation of the world by fire
    1c) the inhabitants of a city
  24. ↑ Luke 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen <4177> of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
    Luke 19:14 But his citizens <4177> hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this [man] to reign over us.
  25. ↑ Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man [which am] a Jew of Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, a citizen <4177> of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
  26. ↑ 5158 τρόπος tropos [trop’-os] from the same as 5157; n m; AV-as + 3739 3, even as + 2596 + 3739 2, way 2, means 2, even as + 3739 1, in like manner as + 3639 1, manner 1, conversation 1; 13
    1) a manner, way, fashion
    1a) as, even as, like as
    2) manner of life, character, deportment
  27. ↑ Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation <5158> [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
  28. ↑ 2 Corinthians 1:12 "For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation <390> in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward."
  29. ↑ Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation <390> in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."
  30. ↑ Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation <391> in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
    Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation <391> the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
    1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation <391>, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
    Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation <391>.
    James 3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation <391> his works with meekness of wisdom.
    1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation <391>;
    1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation <391> [received] by tradition from your fathers;
    1 Peter 2:12 Having your conversation <391> honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
    1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation <391> of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation <391> [coupled] with fear.
    1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation <391> in Christ.
    2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation <391> of the wicked:
    2 Peter 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation <391> and godliness,
  31. ↑ Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
    Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
    Matthew 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].
    Luke 7:8 For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].
    Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
    John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
    John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
    Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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