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Episode 12

Exodus: Episode 12 begins with Exodus Exodus•Mar 29, 2023

"What are the consequences of not taking sacrifice seriously in religious practice? Jordan and the roundtable (now joined by Gregg Hurwitz and Ben Shapiro) continue their exploration of Exodus 24, focusing on the details of sacred space, ritual and worship with specific emphasis on the ideal of sacrificing in order to live up to the highest ideal—and the disunity that comes from disregarding the importance of sacrifice as a result." Daily Wire

Government by consent

"All the LORD has spoken we will do" Exodus 24

Was the first government by consent?

When they were governed in Egypt they were governed by consent too. They agreed to give a percentage of their labor to the government and their loyalty if he gave them "free bread".

God gave them free bread in the form of mana and more and so did Pharaoh at first which brought them into captivity by consent.

This offer of the dainties of rulers has been repeated throughout history in many ways from Nimrod to Pharaoh and Caesar to FDR.

We need to understand the differences.

5:min. Ben Shapiro mentions everyone's role in a hierarchy.

Were they setting up a hierarchy and if so what was its nature?

6:min they discuss the order and practically Exodus 24 3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Exodus 24:7 "And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient(hear)."^[1]

Do you hear and do and hear?

12: Peterson speaks of this as a process that alters us on many levels including genetically and through epigenetics.

By 14: They are talking about the roles in organized society and the differentiation of authority. Peterson mentions a subsidiary structure^[2] to prevent fractionization. This is were the distinction can be observed is in the bands of society or the social bonds of society.

He admits they need to flesh that out bit if we do not understand what is really happening it will degenerate.

15: Hillsdale Aristotle says that choices to do is more important than merely what we do.^[3]

18: Johnathan talks about what you choose and what you actually do. Parable of the two sons. Who is a son. They agree that the doing may open up a better understanding.

21: Ben adds that it is a willful subordination to a system. 21: Shapiro sees "the blood of the Covenant" is clearly a reference to circumcision. But which covenant? Flesh or heart?

The Covent is with the God not with men nor their gods. This is why it is important to understand what they are doing and how it functions.

It requires a circumcision of the heart and mind and blood is the seat of the soul and the power is in the spirit and not in the flesh and blood.

There is always is a danger of worshipping the ritual and departing from the spirit of God. The more we eat of the the tree of knowledge the more this happens.

Brings the topic of sacrifice and blood is the seet of soul.

Not my will but thib 27 jp To learn you must sacrifice what you may have thought you knew.

27 Many souls together will require every thing as a part of sacrifice.

To be couple is sacrifice to be a nation is more sacrifice.

27: Life is sacrifice but you have some power over that choice.

30: Hadley continues to talk about sacrifice. What they need to understand that worship is sacrifice and the altars require everyone daily chooses to sacrifice by their own freewill offerings for the welfare others. The people did not do that in the bondage and social welfare system of Egypt and neither do they do that in the legal charity system of FDR and LBJ, etc. which is the welfare system which is a snare.

24: false guilt is bondage??? guilt and shame??? Gratitude.

40: Johnathan mentions the hierarchy of man and animals but men should not rule over men. Pants animals and man over them and they become food for man. And man sacrifices them.

Golden calf ? Worship.

Man was given dominion but is required to dress and keep it. So man is a servant of plants and animals in this hierarchy.

In a priestly hierarchy the priest is given authority over things for a purpose of service not over people.

Ex 24

They do not understand the golden calf which we cover in Exodus 32 but they are still in Exodus 24. Hierarchy hierarkhia, from hierarkhēs ‘sacred ruler’ (see hierarch). The earliest sense was ‘system of orders ... ? a ruler of sacred things not of the people.

The people

They do not seem to understand the idolatry.^[4]

But they do mention the golden statue is eaten by the people after being turned to powder by Moses.

50:

No one can see God and live.

Peterson ask if this is like the cherubs in the garden.

52:

Seeing God???

"See every thing you did wrong all at once" can you bear that. Like the line "You can't handle the truth."

What is the goal? Is it an ideal of righteousness of self or of something greater than self? Those who thought they saw God thought the had arrived.

Is the goal is your liberty or the Liberty and life under God for all?

Your ideal should be greater than you are now and therefore it may give you goal beyond where you are or you may wonder about perpetually lost.

If you have Divine ideal can you persue, if it is 'divine" and not imagination and vanity, in a divine way? 55:

? antinomianism, (Greek anti, “against”; nomos, “law”), doctrine according to which Christians are freed by grace from the necessity of obeying the Mosaic Law.

107 Jonathan is still thinking these sacrifices are all burned up

108 JP goes on to talk about the psychology of a need for sacrifice.

110:50 Ben mentions maps and meaning. Object have values

Ben says that he did not understanding the construction Tabernacle section until he read JP's maps and meanings

115 Johnathan tries to interpret the altar??

Confused about church Tabernacle, and communion

First principles?

116 Eden is a spiritual hierarchy equated with a mountain.

118 ark of the covenant.

What is sacred?

Ten statements

120 the ten statements marks the ethics of society.

True ethics is more about revelation rather than logic alone. Bit

Right Reason is also a product of revelation.

127

There must be an agreement as to what is sacredly true.

Everything cannot be up for grab. Something must be foundationally Sacred.

128 Ben says any one who tells you that we love everyone equally.

Is love a feeling or a fancy?

Love is power, an utility.

chimara monster

mercy seat

How does the mercy seat was the place of "transference of sin for forgiveness, of reconciliation between God and His people." Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

138: JP

His dragon story where facing the dragon. Going into the dragon and convert his power to be his own shield. The power of the dragon in converted by confronting not by denial nor fear.

You do not seek safety alone but face your fears, face the demons that block the light of truth.

147 "Safety goddess" is the snake in the garden.

150

The ark is movable but not changeable.

153 Do cloths matter? Priest garments... what is the value?

To whom?

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

158 breeches

Exodus 28:40 ¶ And for Aaron’s sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty. 41 And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office. 42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach: 43 And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy [place]; that they bear not iniquity, and die: [it shall be] a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.

159 Shapiro Breast plates and tribal benchmarks.

200 Rules are contrived to unite the people but it was enshrined in symbols because logic of man alone cannot lead you to the divine will, Right Reason and so the book would not be burned.

203 Johnathon says the levels of this hierarchy cannot infringe upon the other levels.

On each level there is choice, their is right. What limits the right of choice, the power of choice, is a recipe for destruction.

What has done that in America and the worlds of man?

↑ 08085 ^עמשׁ^ shama‘ \@shaw-mah’\@ a primitive root ShinMemAyin understand 9, obedient 8, diligently 8, shew 6, sound 3, declare 3, discern 2, noise 2, perceive 2, tell 2, reported 2, misc 33; 1159 v
1) to hear, listen to, obey
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to hear (perceive by ear)

1a2) to hear of or concerning

1a3) to hear (have power to hear)

1a4) to hear with attention or interest, listen to

1a5) to understand (language)

1a6) to hear (of judicial cases)

1a7) to listen, give heed
1a7a) to consent, agree

1a7b) to grant request

1a8) to listen to, yield to

1a9) to obey, be obedient

1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be heard (of voice or sound)

1b2) to be heard of

1b3) to be regarded, be obeyed

1c) (Piel) to cause to hear, call to hear, summon

1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to cause to hear, tell, proclaim, utter a sound

1d2) to sound aloud (musical term)

1d3) to make proclamation, summon

1d4) to cause to be heard

n m 2) sound
↑ Subsidiary Structure belongs suggest that one part of the structure belongs to another such as a "parent or the holding company". This would mean one can gain control over another through mergers, acquisitions, consolidation and special purpose entities.
↑ "Freedom is the Right to Choose, the Right to create for oneself the alternatives of Choice. Without the possibility of Choice, and the exercise of Choice, a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.” Archibald MacLeish
↑
Covetousness is idolatry
Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"

Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
- For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.

[shama-1] 08085 ^עמשׁ^ shama‘ \@shaw-mah’\@ a primitive root ShinMemAyin understand 9, obedient 8, diligently 8, shew 6, sound 3, declare 3, discern 2, noise 2, perceive 2, tell 2, reported 2, misc 33; 1159 v
1) to hear, listen to, obey
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to hear (perceive by ear)

1a2) to hear of or concerning

1a3) to hear (have power to hear)

1a4) to hear with attention or interest, listen to

1a5) to understand (language)

1a6) to hear (of judicial cases)

1a7) to listen, give heed
1a7a) to consent, agree

1a7b) to grant request

1a8) to listen to, yield to

1a9) to obey, be obedient

1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be heard (of voice or sound)

1b2) to be heard of

1b3) to be regarded, be obeyed

1c) (Piel) to cause to hear, call to hear, summon

1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to cause to hear, tell, proclaim, utter a sound

1d2) to sound aloud (musical term)

1d3) to make proclamation, summon

1d4) to cause to be heard

n m 2) sound

[2] Subsidiary Structure belongs suggest that one part of the structure belongs to another such as a "parent or the holding company". This would mean one can gain control over another through mergers, acquisitions, consolidation and special purpose entities.

[archi-3] "Freedom is the Right to Choose, the Right to create for oneself the alternatives of Choice. Without the possibility of Choice, and the exercise of Choice, a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.” Archibald MacLeish

[Isidolatry-4] Covetousness is idolatry
Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"

Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."

For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.

[5] For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.

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[2]

[3]

[4]

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 "What are the consequences of not taking sacrifice seriously in religious practice? Jordan and the roundtable (now joined by Gregg Hurwitz and Ben Shapiro) continue their exploration of Exodus 24, focusing on the details of sacred space, ritual and worship with specific emphasis on the ideal of sacrificing in order to live up to the highest ideal—and the disunity that comes from disregarding the importance of sacrifice as a result." Daily Wire
-:
+== Government by consent ==
+"All the LORD has spoken we will do" [[Exodus 24]]
+Was the first government by consent?
+When they were governed in Egypt they were governed by [[consent]] too. They agreed to give a percentage of their labor to the government and their loyalty if he gave them "[[free bread]]".
+God gave them [[free bread]] in the form of mana and more and so did [[Pharaoh]] at first which brought them into [[captivity]] by [[consent]].
+This offer of the [[dainties]] of rulers has been repeated throughout history in many ways from Nimrod to Pharaoh and Caesar to [[FDR]].
+We need to understand the differences.
+:min. Ben Shapiro mentions everyone's role in a [[hierarchy]].
+Were they setting up a [[hierarchy]] and if so what was its nature?
+:min they discuss the order and practically
+[[Exodus 24]] 3  And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the '''people answered with one voice''', and said, '''All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.'''
+[[Exodus 24]]:7  "And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient(hear)."<Ref name="shama">{{08085}}</Ref>
+Do you hear and do and hear?
+: Peterson speaks of this as a process that alters us on many levels including genetically and through epigenetics.
+By 14: They are talking about the roles in organized society and the differentiation of authority. Peterson mentions a subsidiary structure<Ref>Subsidiary Structure belongs suggest that one part of the structure belongs to another such as a "''parent'' or the holding company". This would mean one can gain control over another through mergers, acquisitions, consolidation and special purpose entities.</Ref> to prevent fractionization. This is were the distinction can be observed is in [[the bands]] of society or the social bonds of society.
+He admits they need to flesh that out bit if we do not understand what is really happening it will [[degenerate]].
+: ''Hillsdale'' Aristotle says that choices to do is more important than merely what we do.<Ref name="archi">"Freedom is the [[Power of choice|Right to Choose]], the Right to create for oneself the alternatives of Choice. Without the possibility of Choice, and the exercise of Choice, a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.” [[Archibald MacLeish]]</Ref>
+: Johnathan talks about what you choose and what you actually do. Parable of the two sons. Who is a son.
+They agree that the doing may open up a better understanding.
+: Ben adds that it is a willful subordination to a system.
+:
+Shapiro sees "the blood of the Covenant" is clearly a reference to circumcision. But which covenant?
+Flesh or heart?
+* The Covent is with the God not with men nor their gods. This is why it is important to understand what they are doing and how it functions.
+It requires a [[circumcision]] of the [[heart and mind]] and blood is the seat of the soul and the power is in the spirit and not in the [[flesh and blood]].
+There is always is a danger of worshipping the ritual and departing from the spirit of God. The more we eat of the the [[tree of knowledge]] the more this happens.
+Brings the topic of sacrifice and blood is the seet of soul.
+Not my will but thib
+jp
+To learn you must sacrifice what you may have thought you knew.
+Many souls together will require every thing as a part of sacrifice.
+To be couple is sacrifice to be a nation  is more sacrifice.
+: Life is sacrifice but you have some power over that choice.
+: Hadley continues to talk about sacrifice. What they need to understand that worship is sacrifice and the altars require everyone daily chooses to sacrifice by their own [[freewill offerings]] for the [[welfare]] others. The people did not do that in the bondage and [[social welfare]] system of Egypt and neither do they do that in the [[legal charity]] system of [[FDR]]  and [[LBJ]], etc. which is the [[welfare]] system which is a [[snare]].
+: false guilt is bondage??? guilt and shame??? Gratitude.
+: Johnathan mentions the [[hierarchy]] of man and animals but men should not rule over men.
+Pants animals and man over them and they become food for man. And man sacrifices them.
+Golden calf ? Worship.
+Man was given dominion but is required to dress and keep it. So man is a servant of plants and animals in this hierarchy.
+In a priestly hierarchy the priest is given authority over things  for a purpose of service not over people.
+Ex 24
+They do not understand the [[golden calf]] which we cover in [[Exodus 32]] but they are still in [[Exodus 24]]. Hierarchy hierarkhia, from hierarkhēs ‘sacred ruler’ (see hierarch). The earliest sense was ‘system of orders ... ? a ruler of sacred things not of the people.
+The people
+ They do not seem to understand the [[idolatry]].<Ref name="Isidolatry">{{Isidolatry}}</Ref>
+But they do mention the golden statue is eaten by the people after being turned to powder by Moses.
+:
+No one can see God and live.
+Peterson ask if this is like the cherubs in the garden.
+:
+Seeing God???
+"See every thing you did wrong all at once" can you bear that. Like the line "You can't handle the truth."
+What is the goal?
+Is it an ideal of righteousness of self or of something greater than self?
+Those who thought they saw God thought the had arrived.
+Is the goal is your liberty or the
+Liberty and life under God for all?
+Your ideal should be greater than you are now and therefore it may give you goal beyond where you are or you may wonder about perpetually lost.
+If you have Divine ideal can you persue,  if it is 'divine" and not imagination and vanity, in a divine way?
+:
+? antinomianism, (Greek anti, “against”; nomos, “law”), doctrine according to which Christians are freed by grace from the necessity of obeying the Mosaic Law.
+Jonathan is still thinking these sacrifices are all burned up
+JP goes on to talk about the psychology of a need for sacrifice.
+:50  Ben mentions maps and meaning. Object have values
+Ben says that he did not understanding the construction Tabernacle section until he read JP's maps and meanings
+Johnathan tries to interpret the altar??
+Confused about church Tabernacle, and communion
+First principles?
+Eden is a spiritual hierarchy equated with a mountain.
+ark of the covenant.
+What is sacred?
+Ten statements
+the ten statements marks the ethics of society.
+True ethics is more about revelation rather than logic alone.
+Bit
+Right Reason is also a product of revelation.
+There must be an agreement as to what is sacredly true.
+Everything cannot be up for grab. Something must be foundationally Sacred.
+Ben says any one who tells you that we love everyone equally.
+Is love a feeling or a fancy?
+Love is power, an utility.
+chimara monster
+mercy seat
+How does the mercy seat was the place of "transference of sin for forgiveness, of reconciliation between God and His people." Luke 6:37  Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
+: JP
+His dragon story where facing the dragon. Going into the dragon and convert his power to be his own shield. The power of the dragon in converted by confronting not by denial nor fear.
+You do not seek safety alone but face your fears, face the demons that block the light of truth.
+"Safety goddess" is the snake in the garden.
+The ark is movable but not changeable.
+Do cloths matter? Priest garments... what is the value?
+To whom?
+Matthew 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
+breeches
+Exodus 28:40 ¶  And for Aaron’s sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty. 41  And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the '''[[priest]]’s office'''. 42  And thou shalt make them linen [[breeches]] to cover their [[naked]]ness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach: 43  And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy [place]; that they bear not [[iniquity]], and die: [it shall be] a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.
+Shapiro Breast plates and tribal benchmarks.
+Rules are contrived to unite the people but it was enshrined in symbols because logic of man alone cannot lead you to the divine will, [[Right Reason]] and so the book would not be burned.
+Johnathon says the levels of this hierarchy cannot infringe upon the other levels.
+On each level there is choice, their is right. What limits the right of choice, the [[power of choice]], is a recipe for destruction.
+What has done that in America and the [[world]]s of man?

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