Money can be anything
Someone said, "Money can be anything, even paper." He actually thinks that "Stocks represent the real wealth, production based on consumption by people. They are the new gold."
Nothing can be farther from the truth. Stocks are seldom valued based on assets or actual productivity. They are highly speculative and the real value is seldom known within a manipulated market. They are all valued in dollars which further clouds the issue.
One definition can be
- "Money is any item or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a particular country or socio-economic context."
But historically "money" originally merely emerged as a market phenomenon that spontaneously produced what has been called commodity money, but nearly all contemporary money systems are based on fiat money.
James Madison once said “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”
It could be assumed that the same would be true of the Bible.
The Bible says in Leviticus 19:36, "Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt."
This was because in Leviticus 19:35 it said, "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure."
We were also told in Matthew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."
So if righteousness and truth are to be sought and Proverbs 16:11 is true, "A just weight and balance [are] the LORD’S: all the weights of the bag [are] his work," then money should be judged by weight and balance.
A dollar used to be a measure of weight.
Now we see paper notes and we think they are dollars.
In the 1800's cash meant coins of gold and silver, or some precious metal, never notes.
Rome remove the silver from their denarii and suffered skyrocketing inflation that brought about chaos and tyrants until it collapsed altogether.
At the time of Christ a modius, a 30 pound sack, of wheat went from 6 denarii in price to more than 120,000 denarii in a little over a generation. People were economically devastated by the anti-God policy of their government and its violation of Biblical precepts. With a waive of their hand the ruling elite established a lie as the truth. They said you did not need substance in your money but could rely on the promises of men. By removing silver from the denarii until they were nothing but diverse weights, iron coin, the entire nation robbed each other with every purchase until there was nothing left to sustain the people.
Many people lost everything and starved during the economic depressions and social upheaval that resulted. Christ through the apostles offered another plan which required seven men.
The idea and plan they presented was not new but very old.
If you call a stone a loaf of bread it does not become more digestible.
We call notes, dollars and think they have value.
When we see bundles of them we think we are rich.
We call them money.
Of course a NOTE was not a DOLLAR.
A note is at best a promise to pay.
A note represents debt.
A note is not real money.
I tried to explain to the fellow who thinks that "Money can be anything":
The only lawful money is money of "present value" which means "commodity money".
Once a value is imposed by stamp or imprint resulting from arbitrary determination then the money is not lawful. It may be legal tender but legal tender is not lawful money.
Fed notes have two stamps because they are three party notes.
You would have been better off with sea shells....
You cannot pay a debt with a note. That is the law.
You can create a legal system that says you pay the debt with the imprinted value but a portion of the debt remains within the authority of the legal system.
This is why you do not own your property except by government permission.
This is why you are not free people although there are several other reasons too.
Once you looked to government to make your money you were doomed.
In the case of fed notes debt is hypothocated along with the title of everything you purchase with them.
No you have spent a century and more digging your own economic grave and you can't get out by uttering another form of money.
There is a lot more you have to start doing first.
Metal has always been a good source of commodity money but you cannot stamp any thing on it but its weight. Value will be determined by the market only.
His only response was "Ok, prove it. List some court cites, law, etc."
Of course I already have explained it to him and told him so:
I have already proved it on this group but people did not read the links I provided. This is why these kind of groups are so unproductive and often a waste of time. People want to do more posturing and name calling than actually do the work.
The phrase "legal tender" is found on the paper currencies of the world, including those used by the United States. Blue-sealed certificates, red-sealed United States notes, or green-sealed Federal Reserve notes all state that they are "legal tender for all debts public and private." For decades, these notes also stated that they were "redeemable in lawful money." If they were redeemable in lawful money then it should be clear that they are not lawful money. Gold and silver are lawful money, which is used as "payment of debt." Legal tender is a legal offer in place of payment of debt and does not lawfully pay a debt. Although it may legally discharge debt, the tender or offer does not pay the debt at law. "There is a distinction between a debt discharged and one paid. When discharged the debt still exists, though divested of its character as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge. Something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist." Stanek v. White. 172 Minn. 390, 215 N. W. 784.
It goes on to say, "which may be transferred, even though the transferee takes it subject to its disability incident to the discharge. The fact that it carries something which may be a consideration for a new promise to pay, so as to make an otherwise worthless promise a legal obligation, makes it the subject of transfer by assignment." Stanek v. White. 172 Minn. 390, 215 N. W. 784.
"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called 'ownership' is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State." Senate Document No. 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933.
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Also it is not stealing what you already own.
If you do not own the land under your feet why do you think you own the land in your pocket. Gold and silver are just dirt.
If you do not have capacity you do not own a lawful title.
There are solution but you wont find them with wishful thinking.
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Again he only responds with:
"Only one court case? I'm willing to bet there are other cases that say otherwise.
But even if all court cases say the same thing, that does not signify a valid principle. The IRS may win every case, but they are still thieves. BTW, a Senate Resolution is not law either."
So now if I send him more cases it does not seem to matter and it is clear he does not see the principle already laid out in front of him. Am I trying to explain color to a blind man? But there is hope and others on the group so I respond with:
Stanek v. White is quoted time and time again in other cases and in law dictionaries etc.
It has expressed basic fundamental truths common in foundational law.
All legal systems are dependent upon natural law which is described as right reason. It should be obvious that you cannot pay a debt with a note.
The nature of a note is not present value but a promise to pay at another point in time.
It should be obvious that you cannot buy lawful title with legal tender.
It should be obvious that the use of fed notes by US citizens create a division in the title to property.
The article takes you step by step to the inevitable conclusion.
And the whole book shows you this same process of social contract used for centuries to bring the people into bondage time and time again.
It should be obvious that anyone who uses a social security number or national labor number used in country after country is a numbered member of a corvee system of statutory labor which means the use of their own labor will be regulated and taxed by statute and therefore the IRS is not stealing but often doing their job correctly.
The real crime is in the covetousness of the people which makes people merchandise, literally human resources.
But people often do not want to see the logical chain of events found in natural law that has brought them into bondage and make them a surety for debt.
People do not want to believe the truth already proven by their own actions through constructions of law and testified to even in Senate resolutions.
This is the wishful thinking I have warned people about.
This spirit of denial and refusal to see the truth laid out before them will squander energy and time.
This is why groups like this seldom bear any real fruit. They simply do not want to know the whole truth if it brings their own actions or sloth into question.
There are solution but you wont find them with wishful thinking and email posturing or profanity.
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The exchange continued with me pointing out:
I am not going to retype a half a century's work on this forum. And just learning how things work, the pit falls and solutions is not enough. It takes people working together
You have to create a network of the right kind of people to establish an alternative in a hostile world.
Being angry at the system or present conditions is not enough to qualify...
I have written books an hundreds of articles on how this was done throughout man's history an can be done today.
They are all free online. We have groups meeting for study groups online and more important in person locally building the trust and honor needed for a viable solution.
Most on this group have not read the links much less reached out and joined the real people in the Living Network.
We discuss alternatives for economy
We pursue them on the network but to share all we are doing will require that you urn our trust.
I just stopped by but am to busy to stay and rehash the same old arguments that keep people from actually doing something.
I recorded some of this conversation on one of our websites... http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Money_can_be_anything
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He responded with:
"I wasn't asking for a book, just general concepts. From what little you say, it seems like your solution is not for most, only those that join your "club." Which is good and well, but I'm not part of your club, and don't particularly want to be (and to be fair, you probably wouldn't want me to be either)."
"I know of people that have gotten their land out of the tax rolls, essentially by delisting it as "real estate." And, debts can still be paid with 21 silver dollars (which of course begs the question - how did you get the silver?). Yet another way is not to own anything, by putting property in an express trust. It's harder to steal what doesn't belong to you in the first place, you are just a manager. There's more than one way to skin a cat, I just thought I might learn something new."
Hopefully, my final response was:
Every claim of removing property from tax rolls I have seen over the last few decades has prove false upon actual investigation.
I could take you through a litany of such claims which our network investigate only to uncover lies and deceptions or just more wishful thinking... so you will have to forgive me if I doubt there is any truth to that claim.
We have no club which the average guy or gal can join.
We educated people on the personal changes they need to make and to move back to freedom and liberty.
They must make the choice.
Every free society throughout history has followed a common social path to liberty.
Socialism is "Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009.
You need a system that is the antithesis of socialism.
You need a system where you are "free from things public", What the Romans called the "Libera Res Publica".
It is the opposite of socialism which has always weakened society and brought it into bondage and destruction.
But you need to see socialism in all its forms.
If the government makes your money an stamps a value on it that is socialism.
If you are educated by the government that is socialism.
If you are protected by government institutions that is socialism.
Only when the people take full responsibility for themselves can they purge themselves of the wages of socialism, which are the wages of unrighteousness.
So you need to know what that looks like and you need to work at finding it.
You need to work with others who are also seeking that natural state of man before he began signing away his endowed rights to obtain benefits.
The truth is you probably need to read several books exposing not only how men are brought into bondage but how they return to liberty.
We offer those books for free but to obtain liberty is never free.
So you will also need to find people who will not only pay the price of liberty for themselves but for their neighbor who earnestly seeks that free dominion, the kingdom of God.
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