Talk:Already saved
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| == How do we know we are saved == |
| One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"[1] But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that Jesus is the Christ. The Christ was the anointed, the highest son of David the king of the Kingdom of God at hand.
Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.[2] So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?" We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus? Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or doctrines? It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.
We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.
If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.
Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the least of His brethren you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.[3] So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved. Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.
To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind. We know we should love the Lord with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[4] But do we know all our own mind? Men are not always in their right Mind?[5] If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.
Here we see the Greek word dianoia normally translated mind translated imagination[6] This word mind is also translated from the Greek nous[7] Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God. Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be. God is spirit and made us in His image. In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.[8] It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water. God gave us the breath of His life [9] All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved. Can I tell you that I am saved? Do I have the right to make that judgement? Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my Mind? It is written that we do not know what God hath prepared for them that love him. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.[10] We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we may be saved.[11] We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.[12] We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.[13] Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.[14] So why do we need to say we are saved? Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another. Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths? We should be careful not to erris a gift from above from the Father of lights. It is by His own will that we be his creation. We should be swift to hear and slow to wrath for that we not be the righteousness of God. So we should be setting aside all filthiness and naughtiness so that we may receive with meekness that which is able to save your souls. We are told to be doers of the word for if not we are deceiving our own selves. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.[15] While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.[16] Then the Father will breath his life into us again.[17] Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.[18] How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds? |
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| == How do you know == |
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| How do we know we are not amongst the deceived?
How do we know that we are not the liar John speaks of in his epistle:
James not only tells us what to look for but what to expect for those who say they have faith but are lying to others about their faith and often to themselves as well.
He goes on to warns us if we attempt to deceive ourselves with false religion that death awaits us. We know we are not saved by our own works or even the works of the law[19] but stand fast in one spirit. That is not the spirit of sloth but of striving, and not the spirit of wantonness and covetousness but of charity and love. Just believing there is one God and Jesus is his son is in itself not enough.
Just thinking you are saved because you say you believe[20] is not sound doctrine. It is what you do that gives the world evidence of your faith.
One of the big challenges we face is recognizing the strong delusion and the lie people believe to be true. People read the Bible with a very limited view of history, language and therefore have very little understanding of what the early Church and Christians were doing and why they were persecuted.
They have created doctrines based on this limited understanding of the Bible within the context of history or a twisted view of the meaning of certain words within the text. Instead of Pure Religion they practice False religion. Then seek to find others who will agree with their doctrine. The same could be said of everyone. The question is what is Christ's true doctrines? What did he say and are we doing that first? The Pharisees had the same problem of seeing the true Christ who stood before them and rebuked them for their Corban which was making the word of God to none effect. John 9:39 "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." People who create false doctrines often depend heavily on Paul's writings. But Paul preached Christ first. John writes:
But are Modern Christians doers of His word and the will of the Father or are they more like the Pharisees who studied the Torah but professed a doctrine of their own self-righteousness.
The problem with many Paulinist is they do not preach the real Christ and His doctrines first. The modern church goers are not doers of His word but pray to the Fathers of the earth for their benefaction and have been made merchandise and curse children with debt of their own wantonness. We should know this because they keepeth not His commandments but have indulged in covetous practices at the expense of their neighbor and the forfeiture of their own freedom and soul. That means we have to repent and learn to love our neighbor and our enemy and gather with the believers of the true Gospel of the Kingdom. Some think many are not believers because they do not preach things about head covering and wearing long dresses, or calendars and Sabbaths or Hebrew Names. The Pharisees had such traditions and they could not see the real truth of the kingdom at hand nor the weightier matters.
We have to seek a kingdom where no one has to pray to benefactors who exercise authority one over the other. Nor the Fathers of the earth. We have to care for one another and strive to become the welfare of the righteous while teaching the unrighteous The Ways of Christ....FIRST. Paul, John and others were writing people who were already doing that and were already cast out of the Corban system of unrighteousness. We should have no denomination or denominator but Christ. 1 John 2:7 "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."
We know that the prophecy is that the "whole world" will be deceived by a lie from Revelation 12:9.[21] How do we know that we are not already deceived? We see this Greek word "plane" translated delusion only once. Seven times it is translated error. It is also translated to deceive and deceit once each. So the word may mean delusion in relation to an error related to deception. Are you saved already or deceived already? |
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| How do we know we are true Christians or actually just deceived Workers of Iniquity?
Is there a checklist? People do many things contrary to Christ and the early Church and actually still think they are followers of Christ or even imagine that they know Him like the Pharisees thought they knew Moses. We need to ask lots of questions. |
- ↑ 1 John 5:1 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."
- ↑ Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
- Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
- John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
- John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
- John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
- ↑ Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
- ↑ Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
- Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
- Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
- ↑ Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
- Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
- ↑ 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13
- 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring
- 2) understanding
- 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling
- 4) thoughts, either good or bad
- ↑ 3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24
- 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining
- 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding
- 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil
- 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially
- 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires
- For Synonyms see entry 5917
- 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining
- ↑ Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
- ↑ Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
- ↑ John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
- ↑ James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
- ↑ James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
- ↑ John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
- ↑ Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
- ↑ Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
- ↑ Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
- Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
- Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
- Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
- Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
- ↑ Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."