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Episode 10

Jordan Peterson, Exodus: Episode 10

Begins with the reading of Exodus 20 although it had already discussed the first five statements of what is called the "Ten Commandments".

Do not kill should be translated do not murder (Ratsac murder).

Harag means kill.

Moses killed Egyptian which is described with "nakah" which is not the Hebrew word Ratsac which is defined as murder.

Cain "slew" (harag) Able but no one was to kill (nakah) Cain.

Jonathan thinks a lot of the punishments for braking the law is to be put to death.

"Surley put to death" may not be about capital punishment.

First five commandments are about being a giver of life and liberty like the God of creation if we worship or serve that God.

Last five

The last five commandments are about not taking the life or liberty from another and are summed up in not even desiring to do so by coveting that life and liberty for personal gain or satisfaction.

Does everyman around that table covet their neighbors' goods, life and liberty?

What of the vast tables of dainties provided by rulers who exercise authority one over the other?

To "not commit adultery" means not adulterating anything, not merely your marriage relationship. But it would include even your relationship by faith with the Creator God. Most of the time when you see adultery in the Bible it is referring to national adultery or "idolatrous worship".

No one commits adultery unless they desire to commit it.

Dennis Prager does not see lusting after a women as already committing adultery as we see Jesus explain in the New Testament.

But lusting after a married women would be violating the statement about coveting your neighbors' wife. making these ten statements into ten commandments or ten laws allows the individual to think of them as modern statutes taking on the character of infractions, "a violation or infringement of a law or agreement.".

This bring us to the spirit verses the letter of the law mentioned by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

And of course there is Hebrews 8:9 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

This idea or problem of letter verses spirit was not new to the New Testament.

Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

Proverbs 7:3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I [am] the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

Coveting violations

But since "covetousness... is idolatry" this would nececarily include consuming the benefits and dainties at the tables of rulers which is a snare according to the warnings of David, Paul, Peter and all the prophets, because they are the covetous practices which is both adultery and idolatry. This would include the the benefits offered by men in governments who exercise authority one over the other forbidden by Jesus.

Intention

Intention are not good because they conform to our feelings. That would be an "if it fells good do it philosophy."

Good intentions must conform to right reason, which is divine will which gives life.

Does the life of the many out way the life of the one, or does the life of the one out way the life of the many?

Which choice is good?

Out come in the short fall nor personal intent do not determine if a thing is good.

The what does?

How can we tell?

Tree of knowledge ? Or

Tree of life?

Save life?

Or31

Sacrifice life?

John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. 49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

Dennis sees the ten statements as ten "laws" more like what we call statutes, as codes of actions.

He says there is no restriction about lusting after the woman like Christ states That approach reduces the 10 statements about the preexisting law of the creator to little more than branches of the tree of knowledge.

It may alter your actions but not your soul.

If they are just a matter of acting or not acting many cowards would be saints.

No one in the panel seems to see the outline of the nature of God as a key to the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

self evident

28: Are the Commandments self evident?

(28:55) Jordan calls these commandments "Principles"?

Are all 10 principle universal?

The answer from Jordan was not if you are a psychopath.

They may be universal but some may be perceived as innovative as Os suggests.

Assuming God is not a psychopath and His statements are coming from Right Reason then they would be universal.

Os only seems to think that 6 through 9 are universal and 4 and 5 and even 10 are innovative.

This opinion could be the result of a failure to understand the fulness of each statement which is more likely if we see them as codes or laws rather than spiritual principles built into creation from the beginning.

Tyranny and Tyrants

How does a tyranny survive?

31:50

Larry Arnn thinks it is by corruption but Os suggests it require slavery? They are actually both right.

We must define what is slavery?

Are we talking a corvee slavery like the bondage of Egypt which resulted from an indenture back in the day of Joseph when they needed to obtain benefits in the form of free bread from Pharaoh during a dearth or famine in the land.

That is clearly warned against throughout the Biblical text.

Larry Paul Arnn is incorrect when he thinks slavery is for a minority because you would not have the people to keep order if you wanted to enslave the whole country. But he is right when he says they do it through corruption of the people.

A tyrant can enslave a whole nation easily if he can make the people think they are free. This is easily done if the people do not want to admit that their practices are immoral. Examples of this being done successfully are pervasive throughout history but it is difficult for some to see if their own vanity keeps them imprisoned in their own personal and collective but strong delusion.

"Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom."

That was simply done by appealing to their covetous desire for "treats and gratuities" at the expense of others. Julius Caesar had already established amongst the Roman people "an appetite for benefits and the habit of receiving them by way of a rule of force and violence" which would degenerate the people. Augustus would simply continue the process until the people had "grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others".

The charity of the Roman people that had made them great was soon replaced by the legal charity offered at their tables of public religion made available through their government temples.

Desiring benefits from men in governments who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other does qualify as corruption and immoral but few are willing to see it. The people of the world have become so accustomed to that practice since FDR and LBJ few people are even willing or able to make that obvious connection even though it is a major theme of Christ.

The reasons for this are the vain words,

The reason there has seemed to be so many tyranical measure and rule making with impunity is people have been judging it is okay to rule over their own neighbor.

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This may require scything the tallest shoots that stick their head up above the crowd.

Wars

Jews were transnational

33:30

Hammurabi vs 10 statements

Tends to begin with individual tyranny.

From king but he does a new king

.... 43 God is telling us the patterns

45 6-10

46 adultery WHY!???

613 RULES ?? JUDGEMENTS??

50 chaos 54

God's many? Monotheistic.

To be THE GOD of creation would be by the Law of Nature or Right Reason a singular or mono source of any Divine Will. But if the original terms for "god", specifically "elohim" in the Hebrew and "theos" in the Greek, are the office of "ruling judges" of a limited jurisdiction then there are definably "gods many".

The "gods many" may have personalities or characteristics in different proportions which we can identify in the myths describing Greek or Norse gods like Thor and Loki.

The cultivation of anger, jealousy or any of these numerous characteristics may be a process of cultures and practices but that process is governed by the monotheistic God of gods.

59: When characteristic like fear and anger become a personality pattern through trauma and denial it creates a mental or motivational momentum within the corporeal identity of an individual that drags or catapults behavior as if it has a mind of its own.

We can observe these processes in dysphoria and psychosis like depression or OCD etc.

A "mimesis of malice" that may be observed has its own frequency pattern or "cosmic form" that begins in the "micro" but become predominant in a "macro" of a nation.

101 Dennis questions that fear and anger is an agency that controls our actions because then we have an excuse but Peterson makes reference to the fact he thinks there are other forces within you that may give you the ability to control the "fear and anger".

There are other forces but your choice is in calling upon them or opening up to that force which may over power fear and anger.

That force could be identified as the Holy Spirit which having the characteristics of "name" of The Monotheistic God of creation may overcome the influence of "fear and anger" which are merely the absence of the positive characteristics of "courage and love" which are allowed into us in the "micro" of our own mind and soul.

The "courage and love" come by way of the light of the Creator if we will let go of the denial that drove us from the tree of life, and accept the whole truth which requires the humility of forgiveness and the truth that you cannot decide "good and evil" for yourself with your own knowledge and certainly no for others.

Cain Able sacrifice.

Why were they different?

Both Praguer and Peterson think that the text does not say what was wrong with Cain's sacrifice.

It was not what was given but the the way and function of their altars.

Genesis 4:6, 7 "And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

What wroth? and countenance?

109:

If there is "an implicate cosmic order" from monotheistic macro to the heart and mind of the micro,individual, then when the microw rejects the "Name", "image", "character", "Holy Spirit" of The God the micro will create the laviathon, the Beast that goes about devouring who it wills.

110:

There must be "order" in the micro which cannot come by our own design but by the Divine Will which Moses is trying to share and explain through the ten statements and judgements.

Murder includes attack on the person

Adultery is often relegated to sexual conjugal relations violating marital vows but in fact it includes all adulteration including national adultery.

112: to not steal means there are property rights.

Property begins in the micro.

Even owning all things in common does not usurp individual rights because they own only as joint heirs in a legal system under God where they, in the micro as individual stones, cannot exercise authority one over the other.

Bearing false witness is not exclusive to the witness stand

125: to 145:

Coveting is not "an entirely internal act" as stated by James Blackwood.

Coveting is desiring what belongs to other people.

They never addressed legal charity which is certainly not "an entirely internal act" but is desiring what at least legally belong to another which is coveting

140: Pornography and sin.

To be my follower you must Hate your family is easier to understand if we can grasp that Hate is merely loving something less...

We are to live our neighbor and even our enemy and certainly our family but none should be loved more than the righteousness of God.

Commandments are not boundaries for which you are punished by a judgmental God.

They are the wise counsel of a loving Father and Creator of life.

145:

The ten statements while unique historically they are not entirely original.

Fear not for God has come to prove you, "test"??

Fear before your faces that you sin not.

Awe, respect, "cosmic"

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Here is how you worship Me... "Draw near".

God's of silver to me and gods of gold.

Make altars of unhewn stone.

Hewn stones are shaped by the will or hand of someone other than God or metaphorically regulated offices of living stones.

Their panel all seemed stumped by the command concerning altars of unhewn stones and not going up by steps to prevent the revealing of their nakedness.

This same nakedness will be mentioned in Exodus 28:42 "And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:" Of course the making of these breeches has nothing to do with making underwear but is again a metaphor.

154:

Peterson admit someone is missing that could give them the answer.

Dennis thinks this is about the sexualization of religion but that would be misleading to stop at that explanation even though it is about dominance which is often at the center of sexual perversion.

Much of their confusion comes from their blindness to what coveting means and how that appetite for benefits at the expenses of their neighbor is all around them in their own nations and certainly not limited to "communism".

Nakedness has to do with lack of exercising authority.

Their priests do not have an exercising authority. That is why they are naked just like Adam and Eve did not have the "authority" to decide what was "good and evil" with their own minds.

The priest did not have an exercising authority over each other or over the people but only over things given "freely".

If people do not understand the social structure and function of the altars of clay and stone and the duty of "religion" that rests wit the public servants of the people called priests in this free society they will be unable to make the distinction between "freewill sacrifice" and "forced sacrifices in the bondage of Egypt" they will become lost in their own theologies whether they be Jew or Gentile.

So those steps have to do with an hierarchy of exercising authority one over the other through a legal structure of men over other men.

Legal charity always includes that authority and is in opposition to these teachings of both Moses and Jesus who were in agreement.