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These misunderstandings are due to numerous things and practices. | These misunderstandings and the refusal to see the truth about Jesus and Paul or even the Old Testament duties of the [[Levites]] and the [[early Church]] are due to numerous things and practices. Those practices were rejected by [[early Christian]] which brought them into [[Christian conflict|conflict]] with [[Rome]]. But [[modern Christians]] have accepted a lie as true which has brought the people under a [[strong delusion]]. | ||
People are correct to say that the doctrines of the Church should be doctrines of Jesus only but Paul “preached Christ first”. | People are correct to say that the doctrines of the Church should be doctrines of Jesus only but Paul “preached Christ first”. | ||
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This is why many fall prey to the twisting of Paul's words by errant pastors and theologians. | This is why many fall prey to the twisting of Paul's words by errant pastors and theologians. | ||
Some claim that there are at least [https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus. | Some falsely claim that there are at least [https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html 25 places Paul Contradicts Jesus:] | ||
# <span style="color:#36c">'''False claim'''<Ref name=author>The [http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/aboutauthor.html author (Douglas J. Del Tondo)] of these '''False claims''' "is a California litigation attorney" who believes he is "an evangelical Christian whose doctrine is Sole Christus" but is he just another [[modern Christian]] under a [[strong delusion]]? Is his [[daily ministration]] with the Church by [[Charity]] or with the ''[[Fathers]] of the earth'' and the ''[[Benefactors]] who exercise authority one over the other''? Does he have the [[Mark of the Beast]] and eat that which was sacrificed to the [[gods]] and [[idols]] of the [[world]]? Is he in need of [[repent]]ance? </Ref>, "Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok"</span> | # <span style="color:#36c">'''False claim'''<Ref name=author>The [http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/aboutauthor.html author (Douglas J. Del Tondo)] of these '''False claims''' "is a California litigation attorney" who believes he is "an evangelical Christian whose doctrine is Sole Christus" but is he just another [[modern Christian]] under a [[strong delusion]]? Is his [[daily ministration]] with the Church by [[Charity]] or with the ''[[Fathers]] of the earth'' and the ''[[Benefactors]] who exercise authority one over the other''? Does he have the [[Mark of the Beast]] and eat that which was sacrificed to the [[gods]] and [[idols]] of the [[world]]? Is he in need of [[repent]]ance? </Ref>, "Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok"</span> | ||
#:What does Paul say about idols and idolaters?<Ref> | #:What does Paul say about idols and idolaters?<Ref> | ||
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Paul the Apostle
Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), original name Saul of Tarsus (Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus), was called an apostle. He taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.
Because of his Epistles and travels he is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age. From his own conversion until the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Rhomaios Jew from Celicia and Tarsus and his relationship with his Roman half brother and royal in-laws to his advantage in his ministry.
Paul was born Saul the son of Prassede, his mother, and a wealthy Benjaminite of the republic of Tarsus, whose father had purchased the status of Rhomaios for himself and his descendants.
Pudens and Paul
Clement, presented as the third bishop of Rome, claimed "St. Paul came to Britain and preached in the extremity of the West." When Saul's Father died Prassede married, Pudentinus, a high Roman official stationed in Cilicia who Fathered Rufus Pudens, born in Umbria.
It is believed by many that Rufus met and married a British Princess Gladys who was renamed Claudia by the Emperor Claudius. She was the daughter of Caratacus or Caractacus, also known as Caradoc, Caradog who was quartered in the Plautium Britannicum during the time Paul visited Rome.
Paul makes mention of his half brother in Romans 16:13 “Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.” Rufus Pudens and Claudia had at least two daughters Prassede and Pudenziana named after their grand parents. The church of Santa Prassede and Santa Pudenziana still stand in Rome. The church of Santa Pudenziana, "the most sacred and most ancient of churches," bears the second century inscription "known as that of the Pastor, dedicated by Sanctus Pias Papa, formerly the house of Sanctus Pudens, the Senator, and the Home of the Holy Apostles."
- Prassede, Paul's mother >> Benjaminite>> Saul
Prassede's husband died and She married
- Prassede, Paul's mother >> Pudentinus, Who Fathered Rufus
- Caradoc, King in Britain >> Gladys /Claudia- Rufina <> Rufus Pudens
- Linus , Bishop Prassede Pudentiana
“Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.” 2 Timothy 4:21
Opposing Opinions pertaining to Paul
N. T. Wright
An Anglican bishop and a leading New Testament scholar, N. T. Wright, notes that Romans is: “ ...neither a systematic theology nor a summary of Paul's lifework, but it is by common consent his masterpiece. It dwarfs most of his other writings, an Alpine peak towering over hills and villages. Not all onlookers have viewed it in the same light or from the same angle, and their snapshots and paintings of it are sometimes remarkably unalike. Not all climbers have taken the same route up its sheer sides, and there is frequent disagreement on the best approach. What nobody doubts is that we are here dealing with a work of massive substance, presenting a formidable intellectual challenge while offering a breathtaking theological and spiritual vision.”3
Joseph Fitzmyer
According to Jesuit scholar Joseph Fitzmyer: "overwhelms the reader by the density and sublimity of the topic with which it deals, the gospel of the justification and salvation of Jew and Greek alike by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, revealing the uprightness and love of God the father."4
Ambrosiaster
The most probable ancient account of the beginning of Christianity in Rome is given by a 4th century writer known as Ambrosiaster, the name given to the writer of a commentary in the 4th century on St Paul's epistles:
“It is established that there were Jews living in Rome in the times of the Apostles, and that those Jews who had believed [in Christ] passed on to the Romans the tradition that they ought to profess Christ but keep the law [Torah] … One ought not to condemn the Romans, but to praise their faith, because without seeing any signs or miracles and without seeing any of the apostles, they nevertheless accepted faith in Christ, although according to a Jewish rite.”5 Adam Clarke, a British Methodist theologian:
“The occasion of writing the epistle: … Paul had made acquaintance with all circumstances of the Christians at Rome … and finding that it was … partly of heathens converted to Christianity, and partly of Jews, who had, with many remaining prejudices, believed in Jesus as the true Messiah, and that many contentions arose from the claims of the Gentiles to equal privileges with the Jews, and from absolute refusal of the Jews to admit these claims, unless the Gentile converts become circumcised; he wrote this epistle to adjust and settle these differences.”6
Peter on Paul
2 Peter 3:15-18 “And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
Protestant on Paul
In the Protestant interpretation, the New Testament epistles (including Romans), describes salvation as coming from faith and not from righteous actions. For example, Romans 4:2–5
Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Paul says that God will reward those who follow the law and then goes on to say that no one follows the law perfectly but of course that is where grace comes in:
Rom 2:20–25 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Catholics on Paul
Catholics accept the necessity of faith for salvation but point to Romans 2:5–11 for the necessity of living a virtuous life as well: Romans 2:5-11 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.
Contradictions of Paul
There is a growing anti Paul movement among modern Christians. The problem is not so much that Paul is misunderstood but that Jesus is not understood by many who claim to profess a belief in Him and what He taught. Jesus said there would be many who thought they knew Him and even served Him but did not. This is also due to the fact that many do not understand Abraham and Moses which the Pharisees and lawyers[1] of that day, despite all their study, did not understand or else they would have known Christ.[2]
These misunderstandings and the refusal to see the truth about Jesus and Paul or even the Old Testament duties of the Levites and the early Church are due to numerous things and practices. Those practices were rejected by early Christian which brought them into conflict with Rome. But modern Christians have accepted a lie as true which has brought the people under a strong delusion.
People are correct to say that the doctrines of the Church should be doctrines of Jesus only but Paul “preached Christ first”.
If we look at the assumed or imagined claims of the contradictions of Paul in almost every point the individual is misunderstanding the meaning of Paul or the teachings of Christ or both. They do not understand that Jesus preached "one form of government" that does not exercise authority one over the other like the governments of the other nations but requires that the people exercise charitable practices in faith and hope instead of the covetous practices we see among most people of the world.
Peter said that Paul was going to talk about "some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." The word for destruction is from the word apollumi meaning “to destroy, to put out of the way entirely,”
Most modern Christians have gone out of The Way of Christ. They have been " led away with the error of the wicked"[3]
They think they know Christ but John says "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3-4
You cannot get much clearer than that.
Peter had just warned the people that through the sin of covetousness you would be made merchandise, human resources. [4] And though those covetous practices the people would curse their own children[5] with debt and bondage.
The modern Christians do this daily by the administration of the governments they have chosen for themselves instead of a daily ministration through the Government of God, appointed by Christ, His Church. The modern Christians do not understand the gospel of the kingdom, Jesus the Christ or what the early Church was doing to be considered "doers of the word" so certainly they find it difficult to understand Paul.
Paul's writings lend themselves to misunderstanding the gospel, especially in the hands of those who already missed the points Jesus was making and teaching.
This is why many fall prey to the twisting of Paul's words by errant pastors and theologians.
Some falsely claim that there are at least 25 places Paul Contradicts Jesus:
- False claim[6], "Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok"
- What does Paul say about idols and idolaters?[7] He makes it clear that the covetous practices idolatry which is applying to the gods of the world is wrong but in one place he is talking about what is sold in the meat market that may or may not have come from the sacrifice to idols. That is not being an idolater or engaged in idolatry.[8]
- Paul does not say it is okay to apply for Meat Sacrificed to Idols and explains why.[9]
- Does the modern Christians eat meat, take the benefits, sacrificed to the idols of the world. Most do because they pray to the Fathers of the earth and the gods of governments of the world who call themselves Benefactors who exercise authority for their benefits provided through a system of Corban like that of the Pharisees.[10]
- False claim[6], Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No
- Paul did not contradict but confirmed the words of Jesus. The Pharisees were strict in the subjection to the law as they saw it but they did not see it rightly. They thought they knew Moses but did not so they did not know Christ. The law had been reduced to the rituals and ceremonies and interpretations of the Pharisees and other Jews was not the law of righteousness because the law is spiritual which Jesus was saying when he said all the law hinged on two commandments. Again, the Pharisees practiced a form of Corban that was making the word of God to none effect. Modern Christians do the same.
- False claim[6], Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law
- Paul Says The Pharisees Followed their version of the Law Rigorously. But again Paul is arguing against those who unmoore the spiritual meaning of the law and reduce laws concerning things like, as and example, the Sabbath to a day rather than a way or alters the ancient system of freewill offerings and Corban to a system of modern social welfare by taxation rather than tithes lie the author of these fals who does not know Christ.
- False claim[6], Jesus Says Salvation Initiates And Continues By Repentance From Sin and Obedience Besides Faith; Paul does not say that Repentance is Heresy but is only saying that you cannot follow the 'form' of the law like the ordinances of the pharisees and earn salvation.
- False claim[6], Jesus Tells Apostles To Teach His Commandments Given Prior to His Ascension While In The Flesh, and Paul goes into great detail about those who will Not inherit the kingdom because of what they do and do not do.
- False claim[6], "Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No"
- This is not what Paul says and in fact Paul and Barnabas who was a levite was more in compliance with Jesus than most modern Christians concerning the ministers of Christ. You need to learn about who the elders where and what Jesus meant by disciples and getting rid of your personal estates and why.
- People like to quote Matthew 10[11] suggesting that minister should not be paid or eat of the offerings like Paul says. But this was a one time thing to learn to wal in faith. Later Jesus says take your purse[12] and even a sword.
- Jesus' ministry was even supported by offerings from poor and wealthy alike.[13]
- The practice of Pure Religion requires ministers providing for the needy Christians in a system of Corban supported by charity rather than men who exercises authority that would make the word of God to effect like the Corban of the Pharisees. see treasury
- This is not what Paul says and in fact Paul and Barnabas who was a levite was more in compliance with Jesus than most modern Christians concerning the ministers of Christ. You need to learn about who the elders where and what Jesus meant by disciples and getting rid of your personal estates and why.
- False claim, "Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth." There were twelve original apostles which means the "sent ones". Barnabas was alo called an apostle in Act 14:14. Jesus sent the apostles and they sent others. Paul laimed to be also sent by Christ and Peter calls him "our beloved brother" in 2 Peter 3:15.
- False claim[6], "Paul Exhorts Celibacy, But Jesus Clearly Says It is A Choice Not Within Everyone's Power." If this was true why does Paul talk about ministers and bishops being a "husband of one wife."1 Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6. One of the few references to being unmarried he specifically says that the idea of remaining single is "not of commandment". 1 Corinthians 7:6. He is even critical of those "Forbidding to marry" in 1 Timothy 4:3. There is not reason to believe that Celibacy played any role in the early Church.
- To be continued
- False claim, Jesus Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Says There Are Many Pastors and Teachers
- False claim[6], Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Jesus Says God Is Not The God of the Dead
- Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
- Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
- False claim[6], Paul Says God Does Not Live in Temples Made of Human Hands, But Jesus Says He Does
- False claim[6], Jesus says Nations Of The World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Their Rulers Are Agents of God
- False claim, Jesus Teaches Rapture is Of Evil Ones First, But Paul Teaches The Opposite
- False claim[6], Jesus Says A Call Is Revocable, But Paul Says It Is Irrevocable
- False claim[6], Jesus Says Some Are Righteous, But Paul Says It Is Impossible
- False claim[6], Paul Excludes Eating With Sinners But Christ's Example We Are To Follow, and the Lost Sheep Parable, Is Contrary
- False claim[6], Paul Teaches We Are Eternally Secure, But Jesus Teaches Insecurity to a Sinning Believer
- Paul Teaches In Original Sin But Jesus Contradicts
- False claim[6], Jesus' Command About Calling Anyone Fool Is Violated by Paul
- False claim[6], Paul Denies Obedience Grants Any Righteousness Unto Life, But Jesus Says It Does
- False claim[6], Jesus Sends The Apostles to Baptize, But Paul Says Jesus Did Not Send Him to Baptize
- Jesus Says the Merciful Receive Mercy, But Paul Says Only Those God Chooses Arbitrarily Will Receive Mercy
- False claim[6], Paul Says Salvation Does Not Depend Upon Exertion, But Jesus Says It Does
- False claim[6], Paul Says He Could Be Justified of The Sin that Never Could be Justified under the Law given Moses (Blasphemy), but Jesus says to the contrary that it is The Unpardonable Sin.
- False claim[6], Paul Says Flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but Jesus in Flesh ascended to heaven, and promises to resurrect our bodies to heaven / New Jerusalem, giving us the same physical resurrection that Jesus had.
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== Footnotes ==
- ↑ Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
- Luke 11:45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
- Luke 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
- Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
- ↑ Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
- John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
- John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
- John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
- ↑ 2 Peter 3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."
- ↑ 2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
- ↑ 2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
- ↑
- 1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
- 1 Corinthians 10:19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
- 1 Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof:
- 1 Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
- 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
- Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
- Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
- Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
- 1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
- ↑ 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
- ↑ Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
- ↑ Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
See also Mark 6:8 And Luke 10:4 - ↑ Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
- ↑ Luke 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
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