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"All the LORD has spoken we will do" Exodus 24 | "All the LORD has spoken we will do" [[Exodus 24]] | ||
When | Was the first government by consent? | ||
When they were governed in Egypt they were governed by [[consent]] too. They agreed to give a percentage of their labor to the government and their loyalty if he gave them "[[free bread]]". | |||
God gave them [[free bread]] in the form of mana and more and so did [[Pharaoh]] at first which brought them into [[captivity]] by [[consent]]. | |||
This offer of the [[dainties]] of rulers has been repeated throughout history in many ways from Nimrod to Pharaoh and Caesar to [[FDR]]. | This offer of the [[dainties]] of rulers has been repeated throughout history in many ways from Nimrod to Pharaoh and Caesar to [[FDR]]. | ||
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We need to understand the differences. | We need to understand the differences. | ||
5:min. Ben Shapiro mentions everyone's role in a [[hierarchy]]. | |||
Were they setting up a [[hierarchy]] and if so what was its nature? | |||
6:min they discuss the order and practically | |||
[[Exodus 24]] 3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the '''people answered with one voice''', and said, '''All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.''' | |||
[[Exodus 24]]:7 "And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient(hear)."<Ref name="shama">{{08085}}</Ref> | |||
Do you hear and do and hear? | |||
12: Peterson speaks of this as a process that alters us on many levels including genetically. | |||
By 14: They are talking about the roles in organized society and the differentiation of authority. Peterson mentions a subsidiary structure to prevent fractionization. This is were the distinction can be observed is in [[the bands]] of society or the social bonds of society. | |||
He admits they need to flesh that out bit if we do not understand what is really happening it will [[degenerate]]. | |||
15: ''Hillsdale'' Aristotle says that choices to do is more important than merely what we do.<Ref name="archi">"Freedom is the [[Power of choice|Right to Choose]], the Right to create for oneself the alternatives of Choice. Without the possibility of Choice, and the exercise of Choice, a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.” [[Archibald MacLeish]]</Ref> | |||
18: Johnathan talks about what you choose and what you actually do. Parable of the two sons. Who is a son. | |||
They agree that the doing may open up a better understanding. | |||
21: Ben adds that it is a willful subordination to a system. | |||
* The Covent is with the God not with men nor their gods. This is why it is important to understand what they are doing and how it functions. | |||
It requires a [[circumcision]] of the [[heart and mind]] and blood is the seat of the soul and the power is in the spirit and not in the [[flesh and blood]]. | |||
There is always is a danger of worshipping the ritual and departing from the spirit of God. The more we eat of the the [[tree of knowledge]] the more this happens. | |||
27: Life is sacrifice but you have some power over that choice. | |||
30: Hadley continues to talk about sacrifice. What they need to understand that worship is sacrifice and the altars require everyone daily chooses to sacrifice by their own [[freewill offerings]] for the [[welfare]] others. The people did not do that in the bondage and [[social welfare]] system of Egypt and neither do they do that in the [[legal charity]] system of [[FDR]] and [[LBJ]], etc. which is the [[welfare]] system which is a [[snare]]. | |||
24: false guilt is bondage??? guilt and shame??? Gratitude. | |||
40: Johnathan mentions the [[hierarchy]] of man and animals but men should not rule over men. | |||
They do not understand the [[golden calf]] which we cover in [[Exodus 32]]bit they are still in 24. | |||
But they do mention the golden statue is eaten by the people. | |||
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? antinomianism, (Greek anti, “against”; nomos, “law”), doctrine according to which Christians are freed by grace from the necessity of obeying the Mosaic Law. | ? antinomianism, (Greek anti, “against”; nomos, “law”), doctrine according to which Christians are freed by grace from the necessity of obeying the Mosaic Law. | ||
Revision as of 09:00, 8 April 2023
Episode 12
Exodus: Episode 12 begins with Exodus Exodus•Mar 29, 2023
"What are the consequences of not taking sacrifice seriously in religious practice? Jordan and the roundtable (now joined by Gregg Hurwitz and Ben Shapiro) continue their exploration of Exodus 24, focusing on the details of sacred space, ritual and worship with specific emphasis on the ideal of sacrificing in order to live up to the highest ideal—and the disunity that comes from disregarding the importance of sacrifice as a result." Daily Wire
Government by consent
"All the LORD has spoken we will do" Exodus 24
Was the first government by consent?
When they were governed in Egypt they were governed by consent too. They agreed to give a percentage of their labor to the government and their loyalty if he gave them "free bread".
God gave them free bread in the form of mana and more and so did Pharaoh at first which brought them into captivity by consent.
This offer of the dainties of rulers has been repeated throughout history in many ways from Nimrod to Pharaoh and Caesar to FDR.
We need to understand the differences.
5:min. Ben Shapiro mentions everyone's role in a hierarchy.
Were they setting up a hierarchy and if so what was its nature?
6:min they discuss the order and practically Exodus 24 3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.
Exodus 24:7 "And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient(hear)."[1]
Do you hear and do and hear?
12: Peterson speaks of this as a process that alters us on many levels including genetically.
By 14: They are talking about the roles in organized society and the differentiation of authority. Peterson mentions a subsidiary structure to prevent fractionization. This is were the distinction can be observed is in the bands of society or the social bonds of society.
He admits they need to flesh that out bit if we do not understand what is really happening it will degenerate.
15: Hillsdale Aristotle says that choices to do is more important than merely what we do.[2]
18: Johnathan talks about what you choose and what you actually do. Parable of the two sons. Who is a son. They agree that the doing may open up a better understanding.
21: Ben adds that it is a willful subordination to a system.
- The Covent is with the God not with men nor their gods. This is why it is important to understand what they are doing and how it functions.
It requires a circumcision of the heart and mind and blood is the seat of the soul and the power is in the spirit and not in the flesh and blood.
There is always is a danger of worshipping the ritual and departing from the spirit of God. The more we eat of the the tree of knowledge the more this happens.
27: Life is sacrifice but you have some power over that choice.
30: Hadley continues to talk about sacrifice. What they need to understand that worship is sacrifice and the altars require everyone daily chooses to sacrifice by their own freewill offerings for the welfare others. The people did not do that in the bondage and social welfare system of Egypt and neither do they do that in the legal charity system of FDR and LBJ, etc. which is the welfare system which is a snare.
24: false guilt is bondage??? guilt and shame??? Gratitude.
40: Johnathan mentions the hierarchy of man and animals but men should not rule over men.
They do not understand the golden calf which we cover in Exodus 32bit they are still in 24. But they do mention the golden statue is eaten by the people.
55:
? antinomianism, (Greek anti, “against”; nomos, “law”), doctrine according to which Christians are freed by grace from the necessity of obeying the Mosaic Law.
- ↑ 08085 ^עמשׁ^ shama‘ \@shaw-mah’\@ a primitive root ShinMemAyin understand 9, obedient 8, diligently 8, shew 6, sound 3, declare 3, discern 2, noise 2, perceive 2, tell 2, reported 2, misc 33; 1159 v
- 1) to hear, listen to, obey
- 1a) (Qal)
- 1a1) to hear (perceive by ear)
- 1a2) to hear of or concerning
- 1a3) to hear (have power to hear)
- 1a4) to hear with attention or interest, listen to
- 1a5) to understand (language)
- 1a6) to hear (of judicial cases)
- 1a7) to listen, give heed
- 1a7a) to consent, agree
- 1a7b) to grant request
- 1a8) to listen to, yield to
- 1a9) to obey, be obedient
- 1b) (Niphal)
- 1b1) to be heard (of voice or sound)
- 1b2) to be heard of
- 1b3) to be regarded, be obeyed
- 1c) (Piel) to cause to hear, call to hear, summon
- 1d) (Hiphil)
- 1d1) to cause to hear, tell, proclaim, utter a sound
- 1d2) to sound aloud (musical term)
- 1d3) to make proclamation, summon
- 1d4) to cause to be heard
- 1a) (Qal)
- n m 2) sound
- 1) to hear, listen to, obey
- ↑ "Freedom is the Right to Choose, the Right to create for oneself the alternatives of Choice. Without the possibility of Choice, and the exercise of Choice, a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.” Archibald MacLeish