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== Knowing the Gnostic ==
A modern definition of Gnosticism is "a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit."
A modern definition of Gnosticism is "a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit."


But we know that the modern definition [[Religion]] has changed so I imagine that all that was labeled Gnostic was not the same. The truth is that Gnosticism has resulted in numerous  debates and countless interpretation for 2000 years. The complex nature of Gnostic teachings are not only complex but often cryptic, even secretive.
But we know that the modern definition [[Religion]] has changed so I imagine that all that was labeled Gnostic was not the same.  


Couple that with the fact that much of what we know about  Gnosticism has commonly come from critiques. so the question inevitably remains what was the early sectarian gnostic systems all about.
The truth is that Gnosticism has resulted in numerous  debates and countless interpretation for 2000 years. The complex nature of Gnostic teachings are not only complex but often cryptic, even secretive.
 
Couple that with the fact that much of what we know about  Gnosticism has commonly come from critiques. So the question inevitably remains what was the early sectarian gnostic systems really all about. Was it a heretical ideology or did they have another way to say what Jesus was sharing and teaching?
 
==Opinions and heresies ==


In the "Adversus Haereses" by Irenaeus we hear that there were different sects of philosophy in the 2nd-century disparaging and even ridiculing gnosticism. Scholars have had to depend heavily on  heresiologists and their hierarchical prejudices because of a lack of alternative sources.
In the "Adversus Haereses" by Irenaeus we hear that there were different sects of philosophy in the 2nd-century disparaging and even ridiculing gnosticism. Scholars have had to depend heavily on  heresiologists and their hierarchical prejudices because of a lack of alternative sources.
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Finding manuscripts near Nag Hammadi in 1945, however, gave us a cache of 4th-century Gnostic writing that allowed another round of ''debates and interpretation'' filtered through the prejudices both pros and cons of our modern view of ancient religions.
Finding manuscripts near Nag Hammadi in 1945, however, gave us a cache of 4th-century Gnostic writing that allowed another round of ''debates and interpretation'' filtered through the prejudices both pros and cons of our modern view of ancient religions.


The texts would be translated of from the ancient Coptic language into English in 1977 did not relieve the difficulties.
The texts would be translated orom the ancient Coptic language into English in 1977 did not relieve the difficulties but may have added to them.
 
One way to promote ones own view is to accuse others of something that is generally not understood but is accepted off hand as incorrect.
 
In doing away with the dualist [[Marcion]] it was common to label him a Gnostic. We see the same practice with the ''Founding Fathers'' who are often accused of being [[Deist]]s.
 
Opinion concerning doctrines of Christians ranged over a wide variety of teachings and speculations about the universe but it was the [[Doctrine of Jesus]] an their practice of [[Pure Religion]] according to the [[perfect law of liberty]] which made [[early Christians]] a [[peculiar people]] in [[Christian conflict|conflict]] with [[Rome]].
 
The Gospel of John contained wording and elements of the [[Doctrine of Jesus]]which was scene in the other gospels. If we take some of these words and phrases they could be isolated and construed as some form of Gnosticism not yet fully fabricated at that time. Or the Gnostics could be simply demonized because of other practices which did not fit well into their own ideologies and practices.
 
Conflicting opinions about Gnosticism appear to be an outgrowth of the [[Christian conflict]] between the new Church of [[Constantine]] and [[The Way]] of the [[early Church]] who chose not [[covet]] the [[dainties]] of those rulers like [[Constantine]] who [[exercise authority]] to provide [[free bread]] or other [[benefits]].
 
Once people begin to accept the [[lie]] that it is okay to [[covet]] their neighbors goods through men who [[exercise authority]] they will fill the need to create ''mysterious'' [[doctrines of men]] to establish a sense of self-righteousness and position of superiority to justify the persecution of any accused heretics which will bring a [[strong delusion]] to all the [[masses]].
 
Ideas about [[Wisdom]] or the [[Logos]] reach back to creation when God separated the light and [[darkness]], the water from the dryland and even Knowledge as information or revelation from the Holy Spirit of life.
 
== Hunters of heretics ==
 
[[Eusebius]] compiled the [[Bible]] while working for [[Constantine]] who not only brought in his only [[heresies]] but continued to persecute Christians through his newly appointed entourage of bishops like [[Ambrose]] among others elected thousands of a new Christian in movement that would bring its own [[apostasy]] of persecution, inquisitions, and heresy.
 
Before anyone attempts to understand the gnostic writings or even modern writings about Christ and His Church they need to unbiasedly examine the [[Gospel of the Kingdom]] and the [[Doctrine of Jesus]].
 
It is those [[Doctrine of Jesus]] which are the common denominators of Christianity and if we would keep His word there would not be thousands of [[denominations]].
 
One of the greatest heresies today is the acceptance of the [[covetous practices]] that are a [[snare]], makes men [[merchandise]], [[curse children]]. It is the [[modern Christians]] appetite for the [[dainties]] of the [[benefactors]] of the [[world]] who [[exercise authority]] to provide those [[wages of unrighteousness]] at the expense of their neighbor.
 
It was the practice of the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] that made the word of God to none effect and was in that [[covetous practices|covetous policy]] where we find the [[Christian conflict]] with [[Rome]] and why the [[Pharisees]] hated Christ.
 
[[FDR]] set up a similar system like that one set up by [[Herod]] but [[modern Christians]] again sit in darkness. The [[New Deal]] was the old deal of [[Cain]] and [[Nimrod]].


One way to promote ones own view is to accuse others of something that is generally not understood but is accepted off hand as incorrect. In doing away with the dualist Marcion it was common to label him a Gnostic. We see the same practice with the ''Founding Fathers'' who are often accused of being [[Deist]]s.




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Some think none of these ideas are either in the Old Testament or apostolic text which is why they were supposedly rejected by [[early Christians]].
Some think none of these ideas are either in the Old Testament or apostolic text which is why they were supposedly rejected by [[early Christians]].
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Knowing the Gnostic

A modern definition of Gnosticism is "a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit."

But we know that the modern definition Religion has changed so I imagine that all that was labeled Gnostic was not the same.

The truth is that Gnosticism has resulted in numerous debates and countless interpretation for 2000 years. The complex nature of Gnostic teachings are not only complex but often cryptic, even secretive.

Couple that with the fact that much of what we know about Gnosticism has commonly come from critiques. So the question inevitably remains what was the early sectarian gnostic systems really all about. Was it a heretical ideology or did they have another way to say what Jesus was sharing and teaching?

Opinions and heresies

In the "Adversus Haereses" by Irenaeus we hear that there were different sects of philosophy in the 2nd-century disparaging and even ridiculing gnosticism. Scholars have had to depend heavily on heresiologists and their hierarchical prejudices because of a lack of alternative sources.

Finding manuscripts near Nag Hammadi in 1945, however, gave us a cache of 4th-century Gnostic writing that allowed another round of debates and interpretation filtered through the prejudices both pros and cons of our modern view of ancient religions.

The texts would be translated orom the ancient Coptic language into English in 1977 did not relieve the difficulties but may have added to them.

One way to promote ones own view is to accuse others of something that is generally not understood but is accepted off hand as incorrect.

In doing away with the dualist Marcion it was common to label him a Gnostic. We see the same practice with the Founding Fathers who are often accused of being Deists.

Opinion concerning doctrines of Christians ranged over a wide variety of teachings and speculations about the universe but it was the Doctrine of Jesus an their practice of Pure Religion according to the perfect law of liberty which made early Christians a peculiar people in conflict with Rome.

The Gospel of John contained wording and elements of the Doctrine of Jesuswhich was scene in the other gospels. If we take some of these words and phrases they could be isolated and construed as some form of Gnosticism not yet fully fabricated at that time. Or the Gnostics could be simply demonized because of other practices which did not fit well into their own ideologies and practices.

Conflicting opinions about Gnosticism appear to be an outgrowth of the Christian conflict between the new Church of Constantine and The Way of the early Church who chose not covet the dainties of those rulers like Constantine who exercise authority to provide free bread or other benefits.

Once people begin to accept the lie that it is okay to covet their neighbors goods through men who exercise authority they will fill the need to create mysterious doctrines of men to establish a sense of self-righteousness and position of superiority to justify the persecution of any accused heretics which will bring a strong delusion to all the masses.

Ideas about Wisdom or the Logos reach back to creation when God separated the light and darkness, the water from the dryland and even Knowledge as information or revelation from the Holy Spirit of life.

Hunters of heretics

Eusebius compiled the Bible while working for Constantine who not only brought in his only heresies but continued to persecute Christians through his newly appointed entourage of bishops like Ambrose among others elected thousands of a new Christian in movement that would bring its own apostasy of persecution, inquisitions, and heresy.

Before anyone attempts to understand the gnostic writings or even modern writings about Christ and His Church they need to unbiasedly examine the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Doctrine of Jesus.

It is those Doctrine of Jesus which are the common denominators of Christianity and if we would keep His word there would not be thousands of denominations.

One of the greatest heresies today is the acceptance of the covetous practices that are a snare, makes men merchandise, curse children. It is the modern Christians appetite for the dainties of the benefactors of the world who exercise authority to provide those wages of unrighteousness at the expense of their neighbor.

It was the practice of the Corban of the Pharisees that made the word of God to none effect and was in that covetous policy where we find the Christian conflict with Rome and why the Pharisees hated Christ.

FDR set up a similar system like that one set up by Herod but modern Christians again sit in darkness. The New Deal was the old deal of Cain and Nimrod.



Gnostics did not call themselves Gnostics but appear to have been around long before Jesus and were probably unrelated to Christianity.

  • Some interpret that they thought the "material world is bad and that the spiritual realm was good."
    • Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world but of course the word world did not mean the material world as much as the organized political world of Pontius Pilate.
    • We see in John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life."
    • In 2 Corinthians 3:6 we see "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
    • We can see this same emphases and superiority of Spirit over the material flesh in Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
    • Romans 8:10, "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
    • Which is repeated in Galatians 6:8, "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."
  • People suggest that they considered the material world is under the control of evil.
  • A "divine spark" is within some which provides redemption.
    • Matthew 16:17, "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
    • John 1:13, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
  • Salvation is through some sort of secret knowledge.
  • God could not have created evil, which is the result of an inferior, blind, evil "god" or Archons who pretends to be God.
  • If the "divine spark" is awakened we will be drawn toward the Pleroma or divine realm where God intended us to be.

Some think none of these ideas are either in the Old Testament or apostolic text which is why they were supposedly rejected by early Christians.