Talk:Iniquity

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1. We never said we are the only ones who have the truth. We say the truth is right there in front of you and we quote hundreds of historical sources. What you give is opinions with no supporting facts or ambiguous interpretations because you want to believe you already know the truth.

2. We clearly say that Salvation is by faith in Jesus alone. But it has to be the real Jesus, not one made up by modern Christians. You can tell who is a real Christians by their works, by what they do. Those who are not doers of the word nor keepers of the commandments are clearly not real believers in the real Jesus and have need of repentance.

3. It is not secret information and has been available for centuries although there are many who have crept in with damnable heresies and returned to the mire and to the dogmatic dog vomit preached by ear ticklers in sheep's clothing. Of course the Bible told you there would be a strong delusion and Peter told you through covetous practices you would curse your children and you have been cursed with bondage and blindness.

Modern Christians not only are led away from the "Gospel of the kingdom" but reject it when they are told about it. That is not new for the majority of Jews had already rejected Moses with their actions when Christ came. They did not know Moses though they read the Torah and because of that they did not know Christ, just as many do not know Christ today, yet they profess him with their lips.

The simple teachings of grace we accept but we also know that there must be real repentance, first. We also know out of Christs own mouth in Luke 13:27 "But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity," This was said to many people who said they were working for Christ and doing things in his name.

We absolutely do believe in faith, love and service, but we do not pray to the government to take from our neighbor to provide us with security, education or welfare. We know the government is there to punish the wicked which are all those like Israel that reject God as they did in 1 Samuel 8.

I am sure in your mind we fit some of the items listed on the cult checklist page but in fact I could find none that do. We already have a more complete list on the page we shared on Cults. It was written by Rick Ross, Expert Consultant on cults and we have a recorded radio program that goes through the whole list showing we are the opposite. And by the way. It was only political executions the the Jewish courts needed permission from Rome because they were there as peace keepers and to make money. Civil war was bad for business. If you actually read real history including the history written at the time you should know that.

It was not just the gospel of John that said Pilate believed Jesus was king but the others like Luke 23:38 said "And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.". What he wrote was not some broken board which you see on crucifixes but an official proclamation who would not retract.

But just in case you want to continue with false accusations and ad hominems of we being the only ones or that we suggest this is secret information you can go to Wikipedia because even they know "In all four gospel accounts, Pilate lobbies for Jesus to be spared his eventual fate of execution, and acquiesces only when the crowd refused to relent. He thus seeks to avoid personal responsibility for the death of Jesus. In the Gospel of Matthew, Pilate washes his hands to show that he was not responsible for the execution of Jesus and reluctantly sends him to his death.[7] The Gospel of Mark, depicting Jesus as innocent of plotting against the Roman Empire, portrays Pilate as reluctant to execute Jesus.[7] In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate not only agrees that Jesus did not conspire against Rome, but Herod Antipas, the Tetrarch of Galilee, also finds nothing treasonable in Jesus' actions.[7] In the Gospel of John, Pilate states "I find no guilt in him [Jesus]," and he asks the Jews if Jesus should be released from custody.[8]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate

Someone responded with "Of course Jesus is the rightful king of Israel, and that rulership did not pass on to anyone else, because Jesus is still alive. Jesus is the King of kings."

Yet, STILL, He refused to speak against Rome or Caesar. Notice what the Jews chanted: "We have no king but Caesar."

The whole conversation started with people were bad mouthing Boehner and Pelosi who "Unite to Pass Bill Funding Planned Parenthood, Obamacare, Syrian Revolutionaries" They were complaining because they said the government gives them no choice and takes their money and does what ever they want with it.

My response was:

We do not speak against Rome, Caesar, the U.S. or even Boehner and Pelosi. We just tell you what is going on. We know those governments that come about because of the "voice of the people" and their rejection of God. They are there to punish the wicked. 1 Samuel 8 tells us that and that they will take and take and take even your sons and daughters and you will cry out in that day and God will not hear you.

That is what has happened to the Modern Christian and that is why they have no choice. They are in bondage because they asked the Pharaoh, Caesars and the Nimrods and Lemechs of the "world" to take care of them instead of doing it for themselves through the Church established by Jesus by faith, hope and charity and the Perfect law of liberty.

That church is defined even in the law as "one form of government". Christ preached a form of government. It is not like the governments of the "world".

The Modern Christian, like the Pharisees before them, seem to desire the form of Corban offered by the government of Herod and Caesar and now FDR and their other elected rulers. And of course that is why they have no choice.

Actually Jesus is the rightful king of "Judea"... Israel or what was known as Israel had walked away in 1 Kings 12:16 So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither [have we] inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.

So this is the choice you have. Repent and return to the ways of the real Jesus. Start caring for one another by faith, hope and charity and the perfect law of liberty and stop applying to men who call themselves benefactors to have them provide what they call "free" education, health care, and welfare including having them take care of your aged parents making the word of God to none effect.

AND that means you have to not just take care of your own needs without applying for those benefits but also provide the needs of all other deserving poor through charity alone. If your Church does not strive to do that without those authoritarian benefactors of the State then find a church that will. Whatever church is not doing that is not practicing Pure Religion or following the words of Christ nor keeping His commandments. They are the blind guides who know not Moses nor Christ and have need of repentance.

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