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This is absolutely [[foolish]] and comes from unmooring the meaning from the [[allegory]] and [[metaphor]]s of the testaments. Under such nonsense most of the wealthiest people of Israel and Judea would pay no tithe. There may have been some [[pharisees]] that thought that but that would be contrary to the [[word]] and [[precept]] of God. | This is absolutely [[foolish]] and comes from unmooring the meaning from the [[allegory]] and [[metaphor]]s of the testaments. Under such nonsense most of the wealthiest people of Israel and Judea would pay no tithe. There may have been some [[pharisees]] that thought that but that would be contrary to the [[word]] and [[precept]] of God. | ||
Moses was addressing the idea that what you produced was an increase not just what you sold. Miss the [[allegory]] and [[metaphor]] and you will be tossed about by convenient doctrines. God does not want you to be casting your bread out on the lake in hope that it will come back to you. | [[Moses]] was addressing the idea that what you produced was an increase not just what you sold. Miss the [[allegory]] and [[metaphor]] and you will be tossed about by convenient doctrines. God does not want you to be casting your bread out on the lake in hope that it will come back to you. | ||
While it is written some of these offerings of support were said to result from commands but the word varied for these offerings were called [[freewill offerings]] time and time again. Sometimes the word ''command''<Ref>2 Chronicles 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. | While it is written some of these offerings of support were said to result from ''commands'' but the word for ''command'' varied for these offerings were called [[freewill offerings]] time and time again. Sometimes the word ''command''<Ref>2 Chronicles 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. | ||
: Nehemiah 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.</Ref> was just ''dabar''<Ref> 01697 ^רבד^ dabar \@daw-baw’\@ from 01696; n m; AV-word 807, thing 231, matter 63, acts 51, chronicles 38, saying 25, commandment 20, misc 204; 1439 | : Nehemiah 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.</Ref> was just ''dabar''<Ref> 01697 ^רבד^ dabar \@daw-baw’\@ from 01696; n m; AV-word 807, thing 231, matter 63, acts 51, chronicles 38, saying 25, commandment 20, misc 204; 1439 | ||
: 1) speech, word, speaking, thing | : 1) speech, word, speaking, thing | ||
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:: 1c) commandment (of code of wisdom)</Ref> which can mean a ''precept'' which in this case means the ''flow of righteousness divided from one to another''. | :: 1c) commandment (of code of wisdom)</Ref> which can mean a ''precept'' which in this case means the ''flow of righteousness divided from one to another''. | ||
God's desire for man was to learn to love and share, give and forgive, bless one another in righteousness. People stain at gnats and swallow camels. when the [[Levites]] are told to ''take the [[tithe]]'' the word is actually just ''receive''. | Offerings and that which flowed from the congregations of the people was like Abraham's "tithes of all". | ||
God's desire for man was to learn to love and share, give and forgive, bless one another in righteousness. People stain at gnats and swallow camels. Even when the [[Levites]] are told to ''take the [[tithe]]'' the word is actually just ''receive''. | |||
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Levites | http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Levites | ||
* '''"[[Bishop]]s, presbyters([[Elder]]) and [[deacon]]s occupy in the [[church]] the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the [[Levites]] in the temple."''' Jerome, Ep. 146 | * '''"[[Bishop]]s, presbyters([[Elder]]) and [[deacon]]s occupy in the [[church]] the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the [[Levites]] in the temple."''' Jerome, Ep. 146 | ||
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http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Tithing | http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Tithing | ||
Tithing is listed with all sorts of offerings | |||
: [[Titus 1]]:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. | : [[Titus 1]]:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. | ||
Revision as of 00:42, 10 January 2017
- 1 Timothy 1:4 "Neither give heed to fables[1] and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do."
1 Timothy 1:3 sought to stop people from teaching other doctrine. The Church was preoccupied with providing benefits and care through a daily ministration of charity and faith as the government of God.
Modern Christians often do not understand the Jesus preached a government, took the government from the Jews and appointed it to others who were also Jews. They were doing the job of that government which is spelled out in the Old Testament.
Unfortunately most Modern Christians do not understand the Old Testament and that goes for modern Jews and even Messianic Jews. This lack of understanding is because of a Cognitive dissonance which began when we started eating of the wrong trees.
But Paul also wanted the people to avoid fables like those spread by people who had the same mind set as the pharisees or the Nicolaitans.
While the ministers of God were being the government of God others were more concerned with form and practices and private interpretation and personal doctrines rather than the weightier matters. Some did not want to be ruled over by the governments of the world and even avoided eating at the table of kings but they do not understand what it takes to set the table of the Lord.
We not only show how the Modern Christians are not doers of the words taught by Christ to that early Church but they are also not doing what the Church in the wilderness was doing because they were both facilitating a national network of charity and freewill offerings.
Jesus took the kingdom from the Jews who believed in false doctrines and Jewish fables so much so that they were not bearing the fruit as a peculiar people, the fruit of a nation and kingdom that operated through a network of faith, hope and charity.
- "For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:15
The Pharisees as a whole could not get it. They just could not see it or hear the message of Christ which was the message of God through Moses. You cannot really love your neighbor as yourself as a nation of peculiar people without a network of dedicated ministers operating by charity to connect you as one body.
Abraham, Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist and Christ knew this. This is why they all set up living altars for the welfare of the people.
- They read the Scriptures but cannot see that the "... Levites were directly responsible to distribute the tithes to the poor of the land.... We also haven’t found any Scriptures to indicate that Aaron was to take care of the poor, the widow, the fatherless, and the stranger, with this tithe." Exxx
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Altars
It should be absolutely clear that everyone was responsible for the widows and needy of society within the gates. That has always been the definition of Pure Religion.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Widow
Even though neither the words religion and charity never appear in the Old Testament it is overwhelmingly obvious that that in order to love your neighbor as yourself like Moses said you would need care for one another in a variety of ways.
Rules about gleaning were established but many would not be able care for their needs with gleaning alone. People were often spread out and some times aid would be needed in large amounts in different pats of the land.
- Deuteronomy 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which [are] within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Within the gates was within the network of Israel which was a kingdom, the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to take the kingdom from those who were doing things wrong and appoint it to those who would do it right. Wrong was by force. Right was by charity and freewill offerings in love.
That is simple
It should be a no brainer.
The tithe was what freely flowed from the tens. It was given to the mnisters of the nation who were called out by Moses to serve the tabernacle of the nation and the tabernacles or the tents of the congregation, to sustain a healthy viable nation.
Isolated congregations would have made them a scattered flock. To be a nation people had to create a national body supported by freewill offerings that could come to the aid of local areas on a national level by moving needed resources through that charitable network.
Nimrod had built a system of tens but appointed from the top down. Jethro knew of that system and was a priest of his own people. This pattern of small cell groups linked together is the most common form of government used throughout man's history, The chief difference who it comes about and where the power of choice resides. Is it centralized, collective or does it remain in the hearts of the individual?
This was all done to bind the people together by love and honor and hope rather than contracts. If people cannot see the simplicity and wisdom of that voluntary system they will produce unsound doctrines like the Pharisees and produce a scattered community which is incapable of sustaining itself in a crises.
The support of the leaders of the Network like Aaron and the Levites was an essential element in the protection and care of society. That support was all voluntary and from the ground up for there was no king in Israel.
- 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Yet even when you show in detail that God never intended people to pile up dead stones and burning up sheep and common sense would tell you such bloody rituals and macabre practices could not bind people together nor inspire an promote Social Virtues.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Sophistry
But a network of living stones freely receiving the sacrifices of the people and rightly dividing that bread from houses to house or tent to tent could produce those needed results.
- "The commanded tithes are specifically one tenth of the increase of the seed of the land, and the fruit of the tree, and the flocks and herds." Exxx
This is absolutely foolish and comes from unmooring the meaning from the allegory and metaphors of the testaments. Under such nonsense most of the wealthiest people of Israel and Judea would pay no tithe. There may have been some pharisees that thought that but that would be contrary to the word and precept of God.
Moses was addressing the idea that what you produced was an increase not just what you sold. Miss the allegory and metaphor and you will be tossed about by convenient doctrines. God does not want you to be casting your bread out on the lake in hope that it will come back to you.
While it is written some of these offerings of support were said to result from commands but the word for command varied for these offerings were called freewill offerings time and time again. Sometimes the word command[2] was just dabar[3]meaning word. Or the word mitsvah [4] which can mean a precept which in this case means the flow of righteousness divided from one to another.
Offerings and that which flowed from the congregations of the people was like Abraham's "tithes of all".
God's desire for man was to learn to love and share, give and forgive, bless one another in righteousness. People stain at gnats and swallow camels. Even when the Levites are told to take the tithe the word is actually just receive.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Levites
- "Bishops, presbyters(Elder) and deacons occupy in the church the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the Levites in the temple." Jerome, Ep. 146
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Church_in_the_Wilderness
- 1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
Tithing was a part of the Kingdom of God from Melchizedek to the charity of the early Church.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Tithing
Tithing is listed with all sorts of offerings
- Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Deacon
People void of understanding actually imagine that funds shared with the "sons of Levi to be used exclusively in their service to the tabernacle, not to support their households. " Exxx
Even the Seven men chosen by the people who trusted them had a purpose in a Kingdom.
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Seven_men
Jesus did not preach isolated congregations or a plan where people forsook the gathering together. Charity is not just helping the needy you stumble upon or even just those you love and love you. Such ideas are void of Christ and grace. Without a broad network your love falls short.
- 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
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- ↑
- g3454 ~μῦθος~ muthos \@moo’-thos\@ perhaps from the same as g3453 (through the idea of tuition); n m
- AV-fable 5; 5
- 1) a speech, word, saying
- 2) a narrative, story
- 2a) a true narrative
- 2b) a fiction, a fable
- 2b1) an invention, a falsehood
- ↑ 2 Chronicles 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
- Nehemiah 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.
- ↑ 01697 ^רבד^ dabar \@daw-baw’\@ from 01696; n m; AV-word 807, thing 231, matter 63, acts 51, chronicles 38, saying 25, commandment 20, misc 204; 1439
- 1) speech, word, speaking, thing
- 1a) speech
- 1b) saying, utterance
- 1c) word, words
- 1d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner (by extension)
- 1) speech, word, speaking, thing
- ↑ 04687 ^הוצמ^ mitsvah \@mits-vaw’\@ from 06680; n f; AV-commandments 173, precept 4, commanded 2, law 1, ordinances 1; 181
- 1) commandment
- 1a) commandment (of man)
- 1b) the commandment (of God)
- 1c) commandment (of code of wisdom)
- 1) commandment