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Here we see the word debate listed between ''envy, murder'' and ''deceit, malignity'' on the other. | Here we see the word debate listed between ''envy, murder'' and ''deceit, malignity'' on the other. | ||
We also see linked with other conditions Paul condemns in: | |||
We also see the word linked with other conditions Paul condemns in: | |||
* 2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: | * 2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: | ||
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On His letter to the Galatians it is translated "''variance''" and listed between Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, and emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, on the other: | On His letter to the Galatians it is translated "''variance''" and listed between Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, and emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, on the other: | ||
* Galatians 5:20 "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," | * Galatians 5:20 "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," | ||
It appears in a long list of those who "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" that begins in Galatians 5:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," and ends in Galatians 5:21 "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." | It appears in a long list of those who "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" that begins in [[Galatians 5]]:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," and ends in [[Galatians 5]]:21 "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." | ||
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In the Old Testament there are two very different words translated ''debate''. | |||
In Isaiah we see the word '''matstsah''' MemTzadikHey<Ref name="MemTzadikHey" >{{04683}}</Ref> translated ''debate'' but also translate ''contention'' and ''strife''. It is from the word ''natsah''<Ref name="NunTzadikHey">{{05327}}</Ref> composed of the [[Hebrew]] letters NunTzadikHey which is said to be defined as "to fly", "to struggle", even "to strip off, make desolate, fall in ruins". One letter in '''matstsah''' was changed from the Nun equated with the fish in the sea to the Mem which often has to do with water in motion. The more commonly used NunTzadikHey translate strive or strive together can shift to MemTzadikHey | |||
* Isaiah 58:4 "Behold, ye fast for strife<Ref name="riyb">{{07379}}</Ref> and debate<Ref name="ReishYodBeit">{{07378}}</Ref>, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high." | |||
In the same verse we see the word ''strife'' which is from the Hebrew word ''riyb''<Ref name="riyb"></Ref>. Those same [[Hebrew]] letters ReishYodBeit<Ref name="ReishYodBeit"></Ref>produce the word [[debate]] in: | |||
* [[Proverbs 25]]:9 "Debate<Ref name="ReishYodBeit"></Ref> thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:" | |||
* [[Isaiah 27]]:8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate<Ref name="ReishYodBeit"></Ref> with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind. | |||
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Latest revision as of 13:04, 26 July 2023
Paul mentions debate twice in his Epistles:
- Romans 1:29 "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,"
Here we see the word debate listed between envy, murder and deceit, malignity on the other.
We also see the word linked with other conditions Paul condemns in:
- 2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
But the word in the Greek is eris [1] is not always translated debate. It is defined as "contention, strife, wrangling".
It is translated strife in four verses and always listed with the word for envy.
- Romans 13:13 "Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife[1] and envying."
- 1 Corinthians 3:3 "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strifee[1], and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"
- Philippians 1:15 "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife[1]; and some also of good will:"
- 1 Timothy 6:4 "He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife[1], railings, evil surmisings,"
It also appear as contentious twice in:
- 1 Corinthians 1:11 "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions[1] among you."
- Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions[1], and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."
On His letter to the Galatians it is translated "variance" and listed between Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, and emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, on the other:
- Galatians 5:20 "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,"
It appears in a long list of those who "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" that begins in Galatians 5:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," and ends in Galatians 5:21 "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Old Debate
s In the Old Testament there are two very different words translated debate.
In Isaiah we see the word matstsah MemTzadikHey[2] translated debate but also translate contention and strife. It is from the word natsah[3] composed of the Hebrew letters NunTzadikHey which is said to be defined as "to fly", "to struggle", even "to strip off, make desolate, fall in ruins". One letter in matstsah was changed from the Nun equated with the fish in the sea to the Mem which often has to do with water in motion. The more commonly used NunTzadikHey translate strive or strive together can shift to MemTzadikHey
- Isaiah 58:4 "Behold, ye fast for strife[4] and debate[5], and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high."
In the same verse we see the word strife which is from the Hebrew word riyb[4]. Those same Hebrew letters ReishYodBeit[5]produce the word debate in:
- Proverbs 25:9 "Debate[5] thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:"
- Isaiah 27:8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate[5] with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.
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- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 2054 ~ἔρις~ eris \@er’-is\@ of uncertain affinity; ; n f AV-strife 4, debate 2, contention 2, variance 1; 9
- 1) contention, strife, wrangling
- ↑ 04683 ^הצמ^ matstsah \@mats-tsaw’\@ from 05327; n f; AV-contention 1, strife 1, debate 1; 3
- 1) strife, contention
- ↑ 05327 ^הצנ^ natsah \@naw-tsaw’\@ a primitive root; v; AV-strive 4, strive together 4, laid waste 1, misc 2; 11
- 1) (Qal) to fly
- 2) to struggle
- 2a) (Niphal) to struggle
- 2b) (Hiphil) to struggle
- 3) to strip off, make desolate, fall in ruins
- 3a) (Qal) to fall in ruins
- 3b) (Niphal) desolated, ruined heaps (participle)
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 07379 ^ביר^ ReishYodBeit (rîḇ רִיב֙) riyb \@reeb\@ or ^בר^ rib \@reeb\@ from 07378; n m; AV-cause 24, strife 16, controversy 13, contention 2, misc 7; 62
- 1) strife, controversy, dispute
- 1a) strife, quarrel
- 1b) dispute, controversy, case at law
- 1) strife, controversy, dispute
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 07378 ^ביר^ ReishYodBeit riyb \@reeb\@ or ^בור^ ruwb \@roob\@ a primitive root; v; AV-plead 27, strive 13, contend 12, chide 6, debate 2, misc 7; 67
- 1) to strive, contend
- 1a) (Qal)
- 1a1) to strive
- 1a1a) physically
- 1a1b) with words
- 1a2) to conduct a case or suit (legal), sue
- 1a3) to make complaint
- 1a4) to quarrel
- 1a1) to strive
- 1b) (Hiphil) to contend against
- 1a) (Qal)
- 1) to strive, contend