Talk:Trinity

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The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the Bible; the Trinity as a doctrine of men was defined and instituted at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE after years of debate and controversial private interpretations. While it was an attempt to articulate what some men saw as the fundamentals of Christianity and the oneness of God, Jesus and, the Holy Spirit.

What do you say of those among us that adhear to modalism or believe in oneness theology. Subtly it seams they deny that God exists as 3 persons rather manifests Himself as 3 persons. It seems that this is not something we can unite on. A quote may help us and the link to the website... https://thepastorsworkshop.com/sermon-quotes-on-the-trinity/

Yes, "He who denies the Trinity loses his soul; he who tries to explain the Trinity loses his mind." Tertullian

Tertullian is not insisting people must "believe in" any of the different doctrines concerning the Trinity but he is saying we need to not "deny" God the Father, His obedient Son, nor the Holy Spirit which is consistently the same where ever it listeth.

Tertullian is simply saying you cannot deny one without denying them all because he sees them as all in agreement.

Whatever Tertullian means by the the term is a matter of speculation or conjecture.

What does it mean to deny the "trinity"? Does it mean to deny a doctrinal ideology?

Tertullian is simply saying you cannot deny one without denying them all because he sees them as all in a state of divine ones.

I reference the term "trinity" in relation to Tertullian because Jesus never mentioned the "trinity" as a religious doctrine.

Which brings me to ask why do you think people can be "united" by believing in something Jesus never mentioned, the "trinity"?

Can anyone be a true follower of Christ while at the same time they claim to believe in the trinity they also deny or neglect to do the very things Jesus directed and even commanded His followers to do.

Certainly there is someone we identify as God who has a personality that includes that of a Father, Creator, law maker, and "ruling judge" which is the definition of the Hebrew and Greek terms we translated into the word "God" or "gods". Jesus also had the personality of an obedient son, loving brother, and a sacrificing bridegroom and husband. The Holy Spirit would include the spirit or life of the Father and Son purposefull personality is one with the directive of comforting us.

That Holy Spirit is like the tree of life in the garden when man walked with God.

We can all be fathers, sons, and comforters or mothers, daughters etc. We can all be givers of life, self sacrificing if we let the Holy Spirit dwell within us. If anyone deny or reject any aspect of the personality and character of the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit in their life and soul, though we say we believe in the "Trinity" he "loses that soul" as Tertullian professed.

It is a strong delusion to believe "religion" is what you "think" about "God" or the "Trinity".

While what you believe or just think will be important, it is what you do that makes you a follower of Jesus. Jesus did preach the "Word of God" which is the "Logos of God", which the Right Reason and the Divine Will of the Creator.

If you are not a doer of that word and will of God you are not a follower of the Son of God .

For centuries the word "religion" was the performance of a duty. If you refuse or deny the performance of that duty imposed by the righteousness of the Spirit of the Father and Son you deny all.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" This one of the verses that have propulgated the doctrines of the "Trinity" that seem to have divided rather than united people who say they want to "follow" Christ.

If we just read the rest of the sentence Jesus explains his doctrines on these three personalities of "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".

Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Jesus is not talking about water "Baptism". Jesus never did water baptizing and Matthew explained His form of baptism by reporting what "John the Baptist" explained about it in Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

Again his explation is continued in the rest of the sentence, 12 "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

This is clearly a metaphor speaking of the separation of the wheat from the chaff on the threshingfloor. The wind of His fan or spirit of His way comes with the "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you".

The chaff is burned because it contains the weed seeds that grow up amongst the wheat which represents the true followers of Christ.

It seems counter productive to require everyone to state they believe in something that they do not understand and according to what Tertullian says, "he who tries to explain the Trinity loses his mind."

It also seems a bit hypocritical to press the issue of requiring people to say they believe in "the Trinity" when Jesus never even mentioned the term.

It is often true that those same people often do have clearly neglected in the actual instructions, if not failed the people all together by not "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever" he has commanded us.