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*  '''"He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise."''' [[Luke 3]]:11
*  '''"He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise."''' [[Luke 3]]:11


Those meats were equivalent to the [[free bread]] of [[Rome]] and the gift, gratuities, and [[benefits]] provided by the Sacrifice of the people called [[Corban]] but under [[Herod]] the Great and the Pharisees that sacrifice became a matter of compelled offerings as opposed to a [[freewill offering]]. If the sacrifices of the people were not based on  a [[freewill offering]] they would make the [[Corban|word of God to none effect]].
Those meats were equivalent to the [[free bread]] of [[Rome]] and the gift, gratuities, and [[benefits]] provided by the Sacrifice of the people called [[Corban]] but under [[Herod]] the Great and the [[Pharisees]] that sacrifice became a matter of compelled offerings as opposed to a [[freewill offering]]. If the sacrifices of the people were not based on  a [[freewill offering]] they would make the [[Corban|word of God to none effect]].


1033 ~βρῶμα~ broma \@bro’-mah\@
John was making a clear statement that the straight way of God is to care for the needs of society including food through [[charity]], not by [[covetous practices]] and certainly not by compelling the contributions and sacrifices of the people through [[force]] like the ''[[fathers]] of the earth'' and ''rulers of the gentiles who [[exercise authority]] one over the other''.
 
from the base of 977; TDNT-1:642,111; {See TDNT 147} n n
The word meat s translated from the Greek word broma which means "that which is eaten, food".<Ref name="broma">{{1033}}</Ref> Christ and the apostles provided the distribution of this "meat" for the people translated ''victuals'' in Matthew 14:15.<Ref>Matthew 14:15 "And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.</Ref> We also seem the same word in [[Luke 9]]:13<Ref>Luke 9:13 But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.</Ref> in the same reference to actua food distributed to the people for eating.
AV-meat 16, victual 1; 17
   
   
1) that which is eaten, food
   
   



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  • What is biblical eldership?
  • What is pastoral eldership!
  • How important is this subject to the Church?
  • What does the Bible say about church eldership?

Is the pastoral mission of the Church primarily or exclusively "concerning or appropriate to the giving of spiritual guidance"?[1]

"Pastoral care is an ancient model of emotional and spiritual support that can be found in all cultures and traditions. It has been described in our modern context as individual and corporate patience in which trained pastoral carers support people in their pain, loss and anxiety, and their triumphs, joys and victories." University of Canberra

In the modern Church today there is a reference to Pastoral care as "emotional and spiritual" support but the words related to pastor in the Bible suggest, even state, a temporal Pastoral responsibility for the health and well being. The Hebrew word "raah"[2] is not only the word for pastor and shepherd it is mostly commonly translated as "feed".

The Greek word poimen[3] which we see translated pastor in the New Testament is commonly translated shepherd.

The term shepherd as an occupational title reached beyond emotions and spiritual needs of the flock and for 2000 years the Church was heavily engaged in daily ministrations of a temporal needs. The relegation of a pastors duties to primarily a spiritual or emotional caregiver is an apparition of the modern Church.

The original duties of a shepherd are said to be:'[3]

  • -to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep
  • -to defend the sheep from attackers
  • -to heal the wounded and sick sheep
  • -to find and save lost or trapped sheep
  • -to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust.

Jesus repeated that we were to Feed His Sheep and the apostles and the early Church were clearly rightly dividing actual bread from house to house.[4]

We see the first to preach the kingdom of God at hand was John the Baptist who was the son of Zacharias a high priest of Judea. As the voice of one crying in the wilderness he is telling people to "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight" because at that time it was "crooked" and needed to "be made straight" because the people had become a "generation of vipers" so that there was a recompense and "wrath to come"

John was calling not just for repentance but "fruits worthy of repentance". They could not just depend upon the fact that "Abraham to our father" ut their generation was going to have to think so differently that they produced "good fruit".

So, "the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?"

  • "He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise." Luke 3:11

Those meats were equivalent to the free bread of Rome and the gift, gratuities, and benefits provided by the Sacrifice of the people called Corban but under Herod the Great and the Pharisees that sacrifice became a matter of compelled offerings as opposed to a freewill offering. If the sacrifices of the people were not based on a freewill offering they would make the word of God to none effect.

John was making a clear statement that the straight way of God is to care for the needs of society including food through charity, not by covetous practices and certainly not by compelling the contributions and sacrifices of the people through force like the fathers of the earth and rulers of the gentiles who exercise authority one over the other.

The word meat s translated from the Greek word broma which means "that which is eaten, food".[5] Christ and the apostles provided the distribution of this "meat" for the people translated victuals in Matthew 14:15.[6] We also seem the same word in Luke 9:13[7] in the same reference to actua food distributed to the people for eating.



12  Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13  And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.

David wrote in Psalms 23:1 "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."

Luke 3:1 ¶ Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalms 80:1 ¶ « To the chief Musician upon Shoshannimeduth, A Psalm of Asaph. » Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest [between] the cherubims, shine forth.


The lack of knowledge concerning the role of elders and deacons in the early Christian community is in part the lack of understanding of the function of the early Church appointed by Christ. Revisiting a few of the definitions of terms used in the biblical text and the history of that era

We are not training the very men who lead and have oversight of our churches. We erroneously believe that our serving elders and deacons understand spiritual oversight and care, but in fact our churches are filled with elders and deacons who confess that they are unprepared and untrained for their work.

Biblical Eldership, when used in connection with the main text, Biblical Eldership, provides twelve comprehensive lessons regarding biblical eldership principles. It is designed for use by the prospective new elder under the direction of a mentoring elder, or can also be used in group study.


John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


TUTORIALS

MENTORING PLAN

ELDER TRAINING PROGRAMS

ELDER MISSION

Latin decānus ('chief of ten people; dean')

  1. 2018 Oxford University Press
  2. 07462 ^הער^ ra‘ah \@raw-aw’\@ a primitive root; v; AV-feed 75, shepherd 63, pastor 8, herdmen 7, keep 3, companion 2, broken 1, company 1, devour 1, eat 1, entreateth 1, misc 10; 173
    1) to pasture, tend, graze, feed
    1a) (Qal)
    1a1) to tend, pasture
    1a1a) to shepherd
    1a1b) of ruler, teacher (fig)
    1a1c) of people as flock (fig)
    1a1d) shepherd, herdsman (subst)
    1a2) to feed, graze
    1a2a) of cows, sheep etc (literal)
    1a2b) of idolater, Israel as flock (fig)
    1b) (Hiphil) shepherd, shepherdess
    2) to associate with, be a friend of (meaning probable)
    2a) (Qal) to associate with
    2b) (Hithpael) to be companions
    3) (Piel) to be a special friend
  3. 3.0 3.1 4166 ~ποιμήν~ poimen \@poy-mane’\@ of uncertain affinity; n m AV-shepherd 15, Shepherd 2, pastor 1; 18
    1) a herdsman, esp. a shepherd
    1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow
    2) metaph.
    2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church; the NT uses the term bishop, overseers, 1985 pastors, 4166 elders, and presbyters 4245 interchangeably {#Ac 20:17,28 Eph 4:11 Tit 1:5,7 1Pe 5:1-4 etc.} 2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies 2a2) of kings and princes
    The tasks of a Near Eastern shepherd were:
    • -to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep
    • -to defend the sheep from attackers
    • -to heal the wounded and sick sheep
    • -to find and save lost or trapped sheep
    • -to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust.
  4. Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
  5. 1033 ~βρῶμα~ broma \@bro’-mah\@ from the base of 977; TDNT-1:642,111; {See TDNT 147} n n AV-meat 16, victual 1; 17
    1) that which is eaten, food
    • It is also a shipworm (Teredo navalis) that bores into wooden piers, ships, etc. and in (dentistry) it can mean a cavity.
  6. Matthew 14:15 "And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.
  7. Luke 9:13 But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.