Talk:Network test

Mark Twain is credited with the quote, "“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” Patriots are people who share a common father. US patriots have Uncle Sam as their common father. The followers of the Christ share a common Father, who art in heaven. Many claim with their mouths and their dogmas to be patriots for the Father in heaven, but their acts and deeds prove otherwise, they're really still patriots of the fathers of the world, the benefactors that exercise authority as a way to punish the wicked that really reject God by rejecting what God said to do. You'll know them by their fruit. Who's your daddy, patriot? If we don't work to come together in the Biblical pattern of tens, hundreds and thousands, bound together only by pure love striving to do the will of the Father in heaven, step by step, choosing it rather, gradually replacing the way of Cain in our own lives with the way of Christ and the Father, then all our patriotic words and songs of praise for the Father in heaven are in vain. These emails groups are a shadow of what could be, the shadow they cast right now is the same shadow that the adversaries of Christ cast, because all the people don't work diligently to come together in the body of Christ to walk in His name and kingdom. Liberty farms iowa (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2014 (MST)

The Adversaries of Christ have had a long time to slowly indoctrinate their "citizens" to think and act and respond in the name, nature, character and spirit of Satan. As the proverb goes, train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it, well we have all been trained up in the way the benefactors who exercise authority think their citizens should go, we now that we are all grown up we find it very hard to depart from those ways in deed. Which is why it is very slow going for most people. For as long as I have been on this network I keep hearing the same complaint over and over and over again, which is that people cannot find others to gather with. What I think that really means is they cannot find other people they are willing to gather with because they cannot find their "clones". The people that "believe" the same way they do about what their own version of the kingdom of God looks like in their own vain imaginations. Which is what people are really looking for. They are looking to find clones of themselves, not wishing to really work at loving their neighbors, who might be different, they want to love only themselves by finding others just like themselves. And until they do, they complain they cannot find any one else to gather with. What a shame. For God so loved the whole world that He gave His only begotten son. Liberty farms iowa (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2014 (MST)

A comment on "To Clarify": Ministers of Record are nominated by the Elders under he precept of "At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be settled. In order for a nominated minister to become a "His Church" government office of service and trust there must be at least two Elders that nominate the minister to serve them and their families as their kingdom government servant. The nomination or vote is done with free will offerings. The Elder chooses to free give to the Christ to fund and support the Kingdom of Heaven/God on earth, the alternative government that is called "The Way". All governments need funding in order to provide the services the people looking to that government expect or hope for in their time of need. But Christ is not here in the flesh. So how do we give our free will offerings to fund His government to the Christ if He is not here in the flesh? We look out amongst ourselves and witness another man or woman walking in the name, nature, character and spirit of Christ, because Christ lives in those that follow him, so we will know them by their fruit, and we entrust what we give to Christ to the man or woman we are led to by God's spirit because that man or woman is striving and doing the will of the Father in heaven. This is called our nomination or vote of confidence, we could also say it is our way of acknowledging or recognizing the spirit of Christ working in and through a man or woman who is diligently striving to repent and return home. Our offerings to Christ to fund His government are the underwear we weave for our chosen minister servant, a trustee called "His Church at such and such place, so to speak. But this is just our "license" our own permission given to another to be called our own minister or elected kingdom government servant trustee. But this man or woman we license with our vote to be our elected kingdom government minister trustee may be in and of the world, having the world's numbers, being a part of a system that is not holy, set-apart, and separate unto God alone, so a type of second vote or nomination is needed to complete the precept of "out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be settled", and this second witness, besides the Elders who more than likely are also bound to the ways the world, is a minister that is holy, set-apart, and completely separate from the system of man, the way of the adversary. These totally "called out" and separate ministers are what were called Levites in the Old Testament, and Apostles in the New Testament, they are men and women that today we call ordained ministers, members of orders, under vows of poverty, chastity, obedience and faith. The ordained minister "appoints" the nominated minister to "act ex-officio" as a "His Church", which is an auxiliary of His Holy Church, which are the orders of ministers under vows, the full time bond servants of Christ living in an orderly family with other ordained ministers. Think of a His Church, the minister of record the people nominate with their offerings to Christ to fund His local kingdom government office as a "subsidiary" and auxiliary of the parent corporation, which is the body of His Holy Church, all the called out ordained ministers under vows living in orderly families.

The Personal Contact Minister (PCM) and the people on the various Google email groups that elect a PCM electronically are creating a shadow of what I have described above. The Elder, the man or woman that electronically votes for a PCM and just like above a type of shadow appointment happens, an Ordained Minister recognizes that election and that PCM, after getting two votes, submits a picture and a brief biography to ordained ministers entrusted to manage the HHC webpages to be posted on those minister pages, a type of appointing, acknowledgement and recognition that the PCM has agreed to do fulfill the duties and obligations of a PCM. And the hope is that the shadow with become more than a shadow, with the Elders maybe being led to nominate their PCM as their Minister of Record, establish a "His Church" kingdom government office of service and trust, and freely choose to come together in congregation, on the record, as loving their neighbors as much as they love themselves.

But if the PCM doesn't do what the duties and obligations of the PCM entail, which are expressed on the HHC website, the PCM can lose that appointment, or acknowledgement or recognition by His Holy Church and be removed from the list of PCMs HHC holds out as actually doing the job. Of course the PCM can repent and turn around and start doing the job a PCM accepts to do when elected by two or more others, but just like everything, its always each man and woman's free will choice as to what they choose to do in each moment. Do we choose to do what Christ would do, or do we choose to do what fallen man and the Devil would choose to do? Liberty farms iowa (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2014 (MST)