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If we have Christ in us we will seek to follow [[The Way]] of Christ naturally. But we must actually love the real [[Christ]] and not one made up by men who creep in homes deceiving  snaring people that have a desire to follow sinful or covetous ways.<Ref>2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,</Ref>.
If we have Christ in us we will seek to follow [[The Way]] of Christ naturally. But we must actually love the real [[Christ]] and not one made up by men who creep in homes deceiving  snaring people that have a desire to follow sinful or covetous ways.<Ref>2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,</Ref>.


True love challenges our hearts to sacrifice ourselves in service to Christ and those who seek Him. It is like the love of a parent for their children may challenge their own children to also love others in righteousness.
True love challenges our hearts to [[Sacrifice|sacrifice]] ourselves in service to Christ and those who seek Him. It is like the love of a parent for their children may challenge their own children to also love others in righteousness.


''Spare the rod spoil the child'' comes from Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."
''Spare the rod spoil the child'' comes from Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."


This word ''rod'' is from טבשׁ shebet<Ref> 07626 ^טבשׁ^ shebet \@shay’- bet\@ from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; n m;  AV-tribe 140, rod 34, sceptre 10, staff 2, misc 4; 190 1) rod, staff, branch, offshoot, club, sceptre, tribe    1a) rod, staff    1b) shaft (of spear, dart)    1c) club (of shepherd’s implement)    1d) truncheon, sceptre (mark of authority)    1e) clan, tribe</Ref> Shem Beit Tet from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; and is normally translated ''tribe'' some 140 times but also ''rod'' 34 times.  
This word ''rod'' is from טבשׁ shebet<Ref> 07626 ^טבשׁ^ shebet \@shay’- bet\@ from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; n m;  AV-tribe 140, rod 34, sceptre 10, staff 2, misc 4; 190 1) rod, staff, branch, offshoot, club, sceptre, tribe    1a) rod, staff    1b) shaft (of spear, dart)    1c) club (of shepherd’s implement)    1d) truncheon, sceptre (mark of authority)    1e) clan, tribe</Ref> ''ShemBeitTet'' from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; and is normally translated ''tribe'' some 140 times but also ''rod'' 34 times.  


What is the meaning or sense of a word that means both ''rod'' and ''tribe''?
What is the meaning or sense of a word that means both ''rod'' and ''tribe''?


Another word  הטמ matteh<Ref> 04294 ^הטמ^ matteh \@mat-teh’\@ or (fem.)      ^הטמ^ mattah \@mat-taw’\@ from 05186; n m;  AV-tribe 182, rod 52, staff 15, staves 1, tribe + 04294 1; 251 1) staff, branch, tribe    1a) staff, rod, shaft    1b) branch (of vine)    1c) tribe      1c1) company led by chief with staff (originally) </Ref> Mem Tet Hey composed of different letters is also translated tribe 182 times, rod 52 times, staff 15 times, staves once. It is said to be from the word htn natah which means to stretch out or turn. Letters in Hebrew have meanings that can help us understand the full mening of a word. See [[Sophistry]].
Another word  הטמ matteh<Ref> 04294 ^הטמ^ matteh \@mat-teh’\@ or (fem.)      ^הטמ^ mattah \@mat-taw’\@ from 05186; n m;  AV-tribe 182, rod 52, staff 15, staves 1, tribe + 04294 1; 251 1) staff, branch, tribe    1a) staff, rod, shaft    1b) branch (of vine)    1c) tribe      1c1) company led by chief with staff (originally) </Ref> ''MemTetHey'' composed of different letters is also translated tribe 182 times, rod 52 times, staff 15 times, staves once. It is said to be from the word הטנ natah NunTetHeywhich means to ''stretch out'' or ''turn''. Letters in Hebrew have meanings that can help us understand the full meaning of a word. See [[Sophistry]].


Proverbs 13:24 is a part of a list and is preceded by Proverbs 13:23 "Much food [is in] the tillage of the poor: but there is [that is] destroyed for want of judgment."
Proverbs 13:24 is a part of a list and is preceded by Proverbs 13:23 "Much food [is in] the tillage of the poor: but there is [that is] destroyed for want of judgment."

Revision as of 19:16, 11 January 2015

In order for us to follow the mission of Christ we need to be in one accord with Christ and therefore with each other. The Pharisees thought they were in accord with Moses just as many people thinking they are Christians believe they are in accord with Christ...

If we have Christ in us we will seek to follow The Way of Christ naturally. But we must actually love the real Christ and not one made up by men who creep in homes deceiving snaring people that have a desire to follow sinful or covetous ways.[1].

True love challenges our hearts to sacrifice ourselves in service to Christ and those who seek Him. It is like the love of a parent for their children may challenge their own children to also love others in righteousness.

Spare the rod spoil the child comes from Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

This word rod is from טבשׁ shebet[2] ShemBeitTet from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; and is normally translated tribe some 140 times but also rod 34 times.

What is the meaning or sense of a word that means both rod and tribe?

Another word הטמ matteh[3] MemTetHey composed of different letters is also translated tribe 182 times, rod 52 times, staff 15 times, staves once. It is said to be from the word הטנ natah NunTetHeywhich means to stretch out or turn. Letters in Hebrew have meanings that can help us understand the full meaning of a word. See Sophistry.

Proverbs 13:24 is a part of a list and is preceded by Proverbs 13:23 "Much food [is in] the tillage of the poor: but there is [that is] destroyed for want of judgment."

This is a reference to the precept that was the sin of Sodom which is mentioned in Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."

Giving without judgment weakens and even destroys people.

If we go back to the word chasteneth in Proverbs 13:24 we see that it is normally defined instruction and correction. The word jbv shebet has to do with the growth of a branch of a tree among many branches All growing toward the light and each one growing in its own place guided by the example and firmness of others.

The rod of a shepherd is not used to beat the sheep into submission. It is a rod of guidance and direction to encourage the straight and safe path. In fact from 3 decades of herding sheep I know that if you try to force sheep to go in one direction they will resist and try to go around you. The last thing you would want to try to do to get sheep to go down a narrow path is hit them with your staff.

It is hard to win the trust of sheep but with consistent guidance of love and patience it can be done.

It takes patience to form a congregation based on the love of Christ.

We cannot force compliance to Christ by forcing others to comply with what we believe is doctrine. We exercise faith by doing all we do in love.

I will not spare the rod of a good shepherd.

From the beginning God has wanted us to choose to follow Him, walk with Him, and did not want brother to rule over brother like Cain and Nimrod. He wants us to follow the ways of Abraham, Gideon, Moses and Jesus Christ.

We must choose to follow the narrow path He leads us on. This is not an intellectual choice but a spiritual choice. Many will not understand this because they live in the tree of knowledge and imagine they make choices by their own reason. Somewhere in our spirit our pride or humility will filter the evidence of truth, accepting and rejecting that validity and reason of God and His divine will. Our intellect is often used as a rod to steer us away from the inconvenient truths that God has laid before us.

Many who we have loved will not love Christ enough to hear His whole gospel. Anything less than the whole gospel is a lie.

The truth is there are many people who think they are Christ-loving, Bible-honoring, grace gospel-preaching, self-debasing, peace-loving believers but are not. You know they are not because they do not do what Christ said to do. In fact they are doing exactly what the Pharisees did.

In truth they are not serving God but are serving the ends of the Fathers of the world and Satan.

How do they do that?

They not only fail to be the social welfare of the people according to the perfect law of liberty by providing for one another through true love and pure religion and is not a snare or a trap but they even encourage and condone the people to go pray to the men who call themselves benefactors who exercise authority one over the other who offer a welfare that is a snare and a trap which entangles them in the bondage of the world again.

In order to keep the people under a strong delusion of false salvation they will need some ministers and priests out there doing good works to keep fooling many and need to present some form of godliness but will deny the power there of.

2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

They will need to keep pointing to the few quotes that talk about belief in Christ and that supposedly being all you have to do and never point to all those places where He says keep commandments to have eternal life, seek the kingdom first, strive if you want to be saved, give or you will not receive and forgive or you will not be forgiven and be doers or you are not one of mine.

If you really believed all these things would be evidence of your faith but that is not what we see in the modern Church.

Do we believe in what Jesus said or the doctrines of men gleaned from part of the gospel.

The true ministers of God know the love and patience of God and know that he has sent them to rebuke those who think they are Christ-loving, Bible-honoring, grace gospel-preaching, self-debasing, peace-loving believer's but are actually allowing and promoting and condoning the same Corban of the Pharisees along with many other "damnable heresies" and delivering the people back into the yoke of bondage of the world.

Many preachers water down the gospel to keep their congregations whole. But we are not preaching our gospel but Christ's. The congregation must belong to him, not the pastors. The ministers of God are suppose to be calling all who think they are Christ-loving, Bible-honoring, grace gospel-preaching, self-debasing, peace-loving believers to repentance but are going the ways of the Pharisees and sending the people to pray to the men who call themselves benefactors but exercise authority.

We were not to be that way and those who believe in Jesus should easily see that it is coveting your neighbor's goods to desire those benefits. This was and is the gospel of Christ and those who will not receive it are not Christ-loving or Bible-honoring and they will not be saved until they truly repent.

They will not repent just as many Pharisees did not repent because they knew neither Moses nor Christ even though they thought they were Moses-loving, Torah-honoring, God-preaching, self-debasing, peace-loving Pharisees.

Yes! Many ministers will say they prophesied in His name, and in His name cast out devils, and in His name have done many wonderful works outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within they are full of hypocrisy and iniquity... because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold and they will not sustain a society by faith, hope and charity. They will not attend to the weightier matters and they will not turn away from the Corban of the modern state Church which encourage all to pray to Caesar, Pharaoh and Nimrod to feed His sheep instead of doing it as Christ said and the early Church did... nor will they lift a finger to set the table of the Lord.



== Footnotes ==

  1. 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
  2. 07626 ^טבשׁ^ shebet \@shay’- bet\@ from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; n m; AV-tribe 140, rod 34, sceptre 10, staff 2, misc 4; 190 1) rod, staff, branch, offshoot, club, sceptre, tribe 1a) rod, staff 1b) shaft (of spear, dart) 1c) club (of shepherd’s implement) 1d) truncheon, sceptre (mark of authority) 1e) clan, tribe
  3. 04294 ^הטמ^ matteh \@mat-teh’\@ or (fem.) ^הטמ^ mattah \@mat-taw’\@ from 05186; n m; AV-tribe 182, rod 52, staff 15, staves 1, tribe + 04294 1; 251 1) staff, branch, tribe 1a) staff, rod, shaft 1b) branch (of vine) 1c) tribe 1c1) company led by chief with staff (originally)


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