Talk:Viable republic

I believe that one of the difficulties we face today is lack of direct experience. Specifically in regards to how a truly free and Godly republic under the Law of Nature and Nature's God operates.

We were trained up in the way our "Uncle Sam" wanted us to go, and now that we are old and many of our ancestors were trained up the same way, we don't depart from Uncle Sam's way, primarily because we have no experience of any other way.

Even if we start to see that our natural family is our Godly "state" government, our first estate, our first state, status and condition according to the Creator's design and law, our natural families have been destroyed, reduced to nuclear units that often are torn apart by divorce and separation and fighting over worldly state granted custody privileges.

If we start to see what it truly means to "be righteous in his [our] generations" and that our natural family that follows the line of our natural fathers has a titular leader, a titular king to lead that family or state as the foundational corpus, or body, corporation of God's kingdom of heaven on earth, we have no idea how godly kings act. Again all we have are examples and stories of kings that took the kingdom by force and ruled over their own civil bodies. Kings who didn't know the God of Creation, only the fallen adversary who rules in the hearts and minds of the greedy, the vain, the envious, the jealous, the lustful, the fearful and the slothful, fighting to keep their positions of power and authority and usually fighting or conniving to expand their rule over more and more human and natural resources.

This is all that we know, for the most part. We have no direct experience with what a truly Godly, natural law, first estate, family looks like or how it was intended to operate according to the Creator's will, law and way. Even if we start to repent we will often find that our un-natural, indoctrinated tendencies are to fall back into our "worldly" training, thinking what we are doing is good and righteous, when it is only what we think and believe to be right, but as we know there are many ways that seem right to a man, but those ways always lead to a figurative, legal death.

We have ancient stories, we have the biblical text, but look at how that has been manipulated by those that seek to take and control the kingdom of God or heaven by force? Look at how the bible is used more as a weapon to divide and conquer than it is as one tool to use to learn about the true Way of the Creator and His law and form of government, the States and His Church, the right hand and the left hand.

But we prefer to argue over our own vain mis-understandings, our own beliefs, doctrines, dogmas, eschatology, which are all based on lies and deceptions sold to the masses over several millennia by those that seek to rule over and kill their brothers, those that walk in the name, nature and character of Cain, just like us, because we were trained up in the way of Cain.

There is a teacher, a guide and a comforter, but most of us reject it in order to hear other spirits that will tickle our ears and reinforce our own deluded beliefs we will not depart from now that we are old. Liberty farms iowa (talk) 07:37, 14 January 2014 (MST)

What Makes A Republic Viable?

If you were to ask most right-wing conservative types why they disagree with communism they would most likely say that at the end of the day it is not viable to take by force from a producer and give it to a non-producer for the purpose of the state and they would be right in saying so. They would say that the more of someone's money you take, the less choices they can make and therefore the more of their freedom you take and again, they would be right. However what they fail to understand is that it is just as unviable in principle to take anything by force from anyone because you are still taking away their choice and it is the coercive nature that is the primary issue and not necessarily the amount taken which is perhaps, secondary. Yes of course they say the less they take the more choices the people can make but they think they can ideally snuggle right up to that line where they tax people as little as possible and that's the best anyone can do - but they would be wrong.

For they operate in a system where the potential of humankind is stymied by that coercive policy of tax by force and although the amounts may vary from nation to nation it is only by degrees. The fact that people have to be forced at all to give so their fellow man may survive and not organise to give motivated by a spirit of charity is a symptom of man's fallen state. This behaviour renders him not viable to stand on his own as a man so therefore society as a whole can not stand. This is evidenced by the props and crutches of force, deception and fraud that hold a few up to bind many, in a system of corruption seen in empires of the past that have fallen before it for the same reason.

No, for a republic to be viable each man within it has be able to stand - there are principles and precepts that must be followed - one of which is the establishment and maintenance of the free will of Everyman to act upon his own will, according to the Spirit of Truth that commands individual choice as the bedrock of a system that provides personal freedom. For a viable republic, men must be able to obey that Voice of Reason within their conscience and extend that liberty for others to do it also.

This means that any sort of coercive demand of the individuals that make up a society must not occur. The challenge therefore sits squarely on the shoulders of the individuals of that society to develop a system where this principle can be accommodated. Will the people rise in their consciousness and transcend to a place of awareness where they see that freedom of their fellow man is necessary for that of their own and seek such a way for this to take place?

Jesus shows us the way for such a viable republic. If we will do what he says and build a network of love we shall have it.