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If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday then Wednesday  night{1 night}, Thursday{1 day}, Thursday night{2nd night}, Friday{2nd day}, Friday night{3rd night}, Saturday{3rd day}. Some time between Saturday sunset and sunrise Sunday Jesus rose.
If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday then Wednesday  night{1 night}, Thursday{1 day}, Thursday night{2nd night}, Friday{2nd day}, Friday night{3rd night}, Saturday{3rd day}. Some time between Saturday sunset and sunrise Sunday Jesus rose.


Now during the Passover no one is to leave but Judas left. But more important is they all left to go to Gethsemane.  
Now during the Passover no one is to leave but Judas left. But more important is they all left to go to Gethsemane. Did they leave that night or some time on Thursday?


A Thursday crucifixion has also been proposed. The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas J. Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum 2009 ISBN 978-0-8054-4365-3 pages 142–143
A Thursday crucifixion has also been proposed. The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas J. Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum 2009 ISBN 978-0-8054-4365-3 pages 142–143
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No labor is performed on this holiday.  There were two preparation days that week.  The preparation day for this High Day Sabbath was Good Wednesday.  The preparation day for the next weekly Sabbath was, of course, Friday.   
No labor is performed on this holiday.  There were two preparation days that week.  The preparation day for this High Day Sabbath was Good Wednesday.  The preparation day for the next weekly Sabbath was, of course, Friday.   
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150AD JUSTIN: "But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." (First apology of Justin, Weekly Worship of the Christians, Ch 68)
250 AD IGNATIUS: "On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathaea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, "As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection." The (Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, chapter 9)

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Explanations "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

The "Last Supper" was a Passover meal based on a Nazarene calendar and the wishes of Jesus Christ prepared by the Essene carrying water.

Mark 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished [and] prepared: there make ready for us. 16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. 18 And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.


Luke 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. 13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

John 13:1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He should depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. And during supper the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot"

John 18:28 They led Jesus therefore from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium in order that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.

Jesus had already eaten the "Passover supper" a hours before.

John 19:14,31 "Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold, your King!"... "because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)"

The lambs if the Passover would be killed about 9 hours later than this but Jesus had eaten the "last supper" at least 9 hour earlier. It would seem that Christ could not have been crucified on Friday.

There are those who think the crucifixion was on Wednesday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wednesday

If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday then Wednesday night{1 night}, Thursday{1 day}, Thursday night{2nd night}, Friday{2nd day}, Friday night{3rd night}, Saturday{3rd day}. Some time between Saturday sunset and sunrise Sunday Jesus rose.

Now during the Passover no one is to leave but Judas left. But more important is they all left to go to Gethsemane. Did they leave that night or some time on Thursday?

A Thursday crucifixion has also been proposed. The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas J. Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum 2009 ISBN 978-0-8054-4365-3 pages 142–143


Other Plausible theories

https://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm

One Plausible theory

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/551155

Conflicting calendars seem unlikely, and would not explain why John (and the Jews of John 18:28) were using a different calendar than Matthew, Mark and Luke. Therefore, we must assume that the Last Supper was an early Passover meal after sundown the prior evening.

In Matthew 26:2&18 and in John 13:1 Christ knew that in two days He would be delivered up to be crucified on the Passover as THE paschal lamb. Since He knew that He could not eat the Passover meal at the traditional time and also be sacrificed when all those unblemished lambs were also traditionally killed, He must have held an early Last Supper after sunset beginning the 14th day of the Jewish calendar (Leviticus 23, and Exodus 12:6).

Passover day starts at even the 14th day of the first month in the Jewish calendar (Leviticus 23:5). The first month starts at sunset on the first new moon after the spring equinox. In the year 28 AD passover evening started at sunset Tuesday April 27 on your calendar -- see Appendix A. Even those who hold to the Lunar Sabbath calendar (when Page 9 the weekly cycle is reset by a new moon) must still hold to the same Passover on the 14th day after the first new moon after the spring equinox according to Leviticus 23:5.

In the year AD28 the equinox was Monday March 22, on your calendar, at 12PM noon Jerusalem Time. The next new moon that year was April 13 at 4PM Jerusalem Time.

The US Naval Observatory’s office of Nautical Almanac once confirmed these astronomical events. See Appendix A. Note that Jerusalem is 35.2 degrees East Longitude which is about 2 hours and 20 minutes later than Greenwich Time. But the Naval Observatory no longer publishes such timelines. They now try to distance themselves from religious debates.

See http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/easter.html Christ was crucified on Passover Wednesday April 28 AD28 on your calendar, and resurrected on Saturday just before sunset. Christ himself said that he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb. Yes, Christ knew how to tell time (John 11:9).

Passover week Thursday would have been a High Day Sabbath (mentioned in John 19:31, NIV readers will read: “special Sabbath”) according to the law of Leviticus 23:7.

No labor is performed on this holiday. There were two preparation days that week. The preparation day for this High Day Sabbath was Good Wednesday. The preparation day for the next weekly Sabbath was, of course, Friday.


150AD JUSTIN: "But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." (First apology of Justin, Weekly Worship of the Christians, Ch 68)

250 AD IGNATIUS: "On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathaea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, "As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection." The (Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, chapter 9)