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== Reading in Sweden? ==

Lev som om staten inte finns<Ref>http://www.mises.se/2014/02/19/lev-som-om-staten-inte-finns/
Author : [http://www.mises.se/?authors=daniel-west Daniel West]
Published 2014-02-19 13:50</Ref>

As you read this article please consider before there was the state there was man in a natural state of freedom. Cain started the first city State after departing from the ways of God.

[[Nimrod]] did the same as a mighty provider who took the people's liberty by inticing them with his [[Benefits |gifts, gratuities and benefits]].

Even when the ''[[voice]] of people'' elected Saul to be the chief executive officer of a government that had not needed one the [[Bible]] says that was a "rejection of God" in [[1 Samuel 8]].

Man is endowed by his creator with certain inalienable rights and with those rights there are [[Religion|duties to perform]] for both God and our fellowman. 

The state did not create the man, nor did God create the states. Men endow the State with power by choice or apathy. 

God created Man and men create States.  

All the power of the State is given to the State by man when he makes [[Social contract|social compacts]] and applies to the [[Benefactors]] of the state for gifts, gratuities and benefits.<Ref>“The real destroyers of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations, and benefits.” [[Plutarch]] </Ref>

"Christianity in its true sense puts an end to the State." Tolstoy


== No State ==



'''Live as if the state does not exist''' by '''Daniel West'''

“If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.” - [[Emma Goldman]]

There is something in that saying, isn't it?

So many generations have come and gone since the democratic experiment started and the only thing democracy has led to is more centralization of power and more moral decay in society.

So don't vote.

Don't debate.

Don't waste your energy on politics, because it only contributes to upholding the smoke and mirrors that the left-right political scale really is.

But, if you can't make a difference through politics what can you do to create a freer society?

Well, you can let your actions speak for themselves.

The trick is to live as if the state does not exist. (unfortunately I can't remember from whom I first heard this)

What does that mean?

It means to reduce and eliminate all dependency of the welfare state apparatus, by:

•	Taking care of yourself and your beloved ones

•	Solve your own problems within the family and the local community

•	Make sure you can still put food on the table (or in your root cellar) even if you lose your job, for example by starting up your own garden and plant a couple of fruit trees.

•	Follow your own moral codes instead of the (often) immoral codes of the state.

•	Create your own alternative means of payment to replace the counterfeit fiat currency of the state.

•	Trade services and favors with your neighbor instead of buying from others and thereby fueling the tax system. Prioritize local community instead of state sanctioned trade.

•	Assume responsibility for your personal security in your home and in your community through common sense, neighborhood watches and local militias (also see the book The Production of Security by Gustave de Molinari)

•	Lead the education of your children, no matter if they're stuck in a public school during the day or if you live in a country where homeschooling is legal (it's illegal in Sweden).

•	Plan for your old age, avoid debt, don't expect any state pension, and make sure that you have productive and natural systems in place that can provide you and future generations with food and shelter.

•	Make yourself independent of state-approved banks and central banks that enslave societies by first creating money out of thin air and then demanding interest on that monopoly money.

Yes, just as “Swedes” have lived for thousands of years (the term “Swedes” has only existed for a couple hundred years, and appeared when power was centralized in these lands)

Because when the state can no longer sustain itself on the life force of society and trade it will surely fall off as the leech it really is.

But now the fact is that many of us reading this live in Sweden, and under the Swedish regime it can be hard to live as if the state does not exist considering that they steal 70% of an average family's income in the form of taxes and exert a totalitarian control over society and above all over your children.

But... what would happen if more and more people in Sweden completely ignored the welfare state apparatus and started to solve their own problems within the family and the local community?

What would happen if people made themselves more and more independent from the state?

Because the state needs people to be dependent on it, it's not far fetched that it will fight with tooth and nail against the increased freedom that these people create.

And when it does, its violent nature will come out in broad daylight.

When the state kidnaps your children because you can give them a better education than the public school system that only manages to dumb them down...

When the state fights you because you refuse to admit its legitimacy or play along in its pyramid scheme called the welfare state...

When the state dies a slow death because Swedes no longer need it...

Then freedom is not far off.

Or what do you think?

[http://dnw.st/ Daniel West writes in English too]
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== My Comment ==

Living without the state was what Israel had to do when it left Egypt. They had to support the entire government and all the honest social [[welfare]] needs of the people in [[Free Assemblies]] with [[Freewill offerings]]  alone.

This of course is also what the Christians had to do when they chose to follow Christ at the exodus of [[Pentecost]]. Yes, [[Pentecost]] was an ''Exodus'' from the social welfare scheme of forced contributions set up by [[Herod]] and opposed by [[John the Baptist]] and Jesus who condemned the [[Pharisees]] for their form of [[Corban]] because it was no longer based on [[charity]] and [[love]] but men who [[Exercises authority|exercised authority]] one over the other. Like the Israelite people leaving the [[Bondage|bondage]] of [[Employ|Egypt]] and its system of [[Corvee]] Christians had to learn how to govern themselves. This was the [[Christian conflict]] with [[Rome]].

Everyone that got the [[Baptism]] of Jesus was cast out of a social compact and legal system ruled by [[Benefactors]] who exercised authority over the people. Christians became responsible for their own [[Welfare]] tending to the {{Template:Weightier matters}}. This proved vital at the fall of [[Jerusalem]] when [[Christians]] walked out past the armies of Titus with nothing. What they learned and the bonds of love that bound them together saved millions as Rome fell under the weight of its corrupt [[Socialism|socialism]] and tyrannical rulers.

Christians chose leaders not ''rulers''. They did this according to the ancient ways in a network of [[tens]], hundreds, and thousands. At [[Pentecost]] they organized themselves like they had done in ancient times. Those leaders were instrumental in facilitating the [[benefits]] of society as [[Benefactors]] ''without exercising authority one over the other'' as the other nations had been doing including [[Herod]] the Greats Judea and Augustus of [[Rome]].

Jesus did not allow his ministers to exercise authority and in fact [[Benefactors|told his ministers]] the people were to have the right to choose what they would give when they would give and to whom they would give.

We were not to be like the servant in [[Matthew 18:28]] but the Steward in [[Luke 16:1]] 

They were to be forgiving like the certain creditor of [[Luke 7:41]].

Christ preached a [[Church_legally_defined|unique form of government]], [[Kingdom of God]], with a moral code of [[Love|love]] and [[Sacrifice|sacrifice]] for the sake of righteousness. It had no flag, no forced taxes, no leaders who exercised authority but its ''union and disciple'' was praised by historians who called it a [[Viable_republic|viable republic]] in the heart of the Roman Empire.

Christ was the [[Anarchist| beloved Anarchist]].

How did it operate and function?

How did they survive the decline and fall of the Roman Empire?

History does repeat itself and the America people and the people of the [[World]] are walking [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php  in the ways of Rome] and sealing their faith and fate by [[Covetous_Practices|covetous practices]] which makes us [[Merchandise]] and ''curses'' our children.

What were they doing that was so different from the [[Modern Christians]]?
What did the apostles say [[Religion|religion]] was and what were they doing that was contrary to the  Pharisees and the [[Modern Christians]]?


They have forgotten or been deceived about the true meaning of [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php religion]l

What was the [[Christian_conflict|Christian conflict]] with Rome?

This is what we are trying to show and share with people in books like [[TKC|Thy Kingdom Comes]] and at out websites like [http://www.hisholychurch.org/outline.php HisHolyChurch.org].

'''Gather with others...'''

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== Swedish comments ==


In the [http://www.mises.se/2014/02/19/lev-som-om-staten-inte-finns/ comments section]  we can see what some Swedes are thinking:

'''Ludwig van Bethåven'''

Extremely good text . I agree with every word ...

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'''throat No'''

The point in question mentions the Swedes " for thousands of years ."

Why does it bother you " very much" that the author does not like the government propaganda ( in which literature represents stenålderskranier as " Old Swedish ", etc. ) claim that national formation existed for several millenniers time ?

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* '''Daniel West'''

Maybe I should have developed why I quoted the "Swedes" .

It's like Michael and Throat No one says, I know that terms like "Swedes ", " Danes " , and so on has been and still is more a state tool for propaganda and control than it is something that has come from the bottom up .

See just how politicians today adapts "Swedishness " to suit their own agenda , eg immigration debate. Still a propaganda tool .

I am not versed in the history of Sweden in detail, but I can guess that "Swedes" as term arose after Gustav Vasa centralized power in Sweden in the 1500s . For thousands of years before the first " Swede " existed as our ancestors lived in these parts , so one can only wonder what they were .

I am a local patriot soul and believe you can be proud of its närbygd , its origins and the " Swedish " culture, but that indeed identify with the Swedish flag , the king or the state.

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to '''throat No''' by         '''@ Daniel West'''

Dick Harrison writes, for instance in his rich book about the 1200s when the Swedish government , according to him was born " earl century " on page 687 :

"In 1100 , Sweden was not a kingdom . Not in the way a contemporary Swedish instinctively imagines a realm , that is, as a reasonably coherent territorial unit under joint management . Most people who lived here probably did not think they were Swedes. They were Geats , närkingar , Virds , hälsingar , Gotlanders or otherwise. Not Swedes. " Sweden " , as we know the state, had not been invented . "

http://books.google.se/books?id=bvE5Xhvr3vUC&pg=PA687&lpg=PA688&focus=viewport&vq=Sveaväldet&dq=Jarlens+sekel&hl=sv&output=html_text

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'''per Bylund'''

It is a very good idea that is well worth exploring further !

[[Harry Browne]] writes of a similar strategy for living " without " State of How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World ( a right basic book ) . It is also a fundamental principle of mutualism and agorister (particularly through the counter economics ) to " build the institutions of a free society from within the old ." And I wrote about something similar at Strike the Root 2005 : Saving the World Through Saving Yourself .

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* '''Daniel West'''

Thanks for the introduction of some new concepts. Counter Economics , I am somewhat familiar with but agorism and mutualism was new to me.

What you wrote on Strike the Root was great. [[Henry David Thoreau]] was not stupid :

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. "

Speaking of which , you wrote : I'll be honest , I often find myself thinking that I'm going to liberate the world from evil, but also realize that I probably could spend every waking hour of my life on it without success , just to realize on his deathbed that I forgot about my own freedom and to live while I had the chance.

So to rid myself and family is priority one . Then comes the friends and neighbors and the local community. And do you get so far, I think the rest will take care of itself , for freedom has a tendency to draw people to him .

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'''per Bylund'''

Exactly! And the reason for that at all committed to freedom is hardly that you want the future to have a statue of one - the reason is that you want to BE free . So why waste time trying to liberate millions when it probably is not possible - and those you work to rid do not like it or even work against you . There is no rhyme or reason to argue this . But we are so schooled in [[collectivism]] that we automatically think so - even as hyper- individualists. It's hard to do away with feltänk that you have learned a lifetime and like everyone else maintains tooth and nail ...

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'''Patrick Sellman'''

It's an exhilarating article you've written and inspiring. The very fact that we are so indoctrinated into collective thinking begets easy desolation . How will humanity ever be able to step out of bondage and oppression ? To then hold on to freedom for those who want it are much more hopeful .

We are freedom lovers have all been amazed over the aggressive resistance we encounter when we advocate non- violence and freedom. Two such obvious things that people fought for the ages. It's easy to find them oemotsägbara .

Trälmentaliteten is inhamrad in the population. Only I have food on the table , roof over my head and at least a hope that someone will help me if I get into trouble so defended it tooth and nail . Independence and freedom are sacrificed as easy as pie to avoid taking responsibility over their own lives .

Now that we are still early in the year can you give some thought to that you work until October to the state , just over seven months to go. Fight on , piece together ! The next term is the powers agreed to trälperioden be extended. The question is rather how much?

The strategy chosen by some to push the issue of voluntary withdrawal from the state might not be so stupid. Freedom must also include the freedom to escape freedom. Let the thralls be slaves if they want.

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'''Bo Wennström'''

Slaves do not even know that they are in bondage and need someone who tells them what they want. Freedom and absolute freedom from disease none of us knows how it is, we have not experienced it yet .


'''PerKQ'''

A good text .
With the internet it is easier than ever to get in touch with many people who are willing to perform while visiting and gentjänser free or at a low cost.
An example is :
http://jak.se/

I could see for myself that you registered on a site and then performed the services among themselves for a tenth of services for unregistered users .

It is not illegal to sell a service extremely cheap.
The advantage is that the state then receives 1/10 part of a vanlgit transaction.
It means that you have a tax rate of about 7% within the system.


'''Anna Gustin'''

Big visions of a future economic system that creates justice and be free from slavery. http://www.varldsbild.se/images/newsletter/newsJAN2014_deus-ex-machina.html

The world's monetary systems and economies in danger of collapse because only a few percent of all the money that is matched by real output . The rest is speculation. This book is about a new economic system called tidfaktorekonomi ( Tfe ) . Tfe means that a new value base is introduced into the economy, due to the time factor . Only when society's core values is no longer based on subjective arbitrariness can we avoid social injustice and chaos.

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'''Jonas Ek'''

Why replace one slavery to another ?

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'''Jonas Ek'''

And leisure is underrated :)

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'''Goran'''

We can see leisure as follows more or less is taken from reality.

In the housing association where I live , we have a contractor who cleans the stairwell. It costs each condominium member about 1,000 per year. Thus we may say that every member needs to work a day at work to fund the cleaning.

The alternative to this is that at one point a year performing each individual member is a cleaning of the stairs on their own , which takes about an hour.

A member would in other words be able to take time off work for a whole day and devote one hour of the day to clean up the stairwell and then be able to devote the rest day for something fun . In other words, acquired some leisure time .

However , people think it's better to work 8 hours extra each year to avoid having to 7 hours of extra leisure time.

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'''Bo Wennström'''

Absolute freedom can not be experienced by those who are not gifted with being in the " NEXT LOVE PERMANENTLY " - CAN NOT PULL LOOSE PIECES TYPE FREEDOM FROM WHOLE ORDER THAT FREEDOM TO EXIST

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'''Michael'''

Fine text , well written and with a beautiful vision . It puts good thoughts in mind. I think it's difficult to get others that have not already been thinking for a while , but there are a lot of flows that do not come from economics perspective and having draig similar conclusions.

I work in a place where money has bought most souls . But I'm thinking bilbränderna last spring. They stopped when it became weekend and a number of (presumably working ) guys got together and .. well .. put the state's monopoly of violence aside for a while. So there's some life left .

On the " Swedes" then perhaps, Daniel answer that but I can imagine it has to do with the Swedes that concept is linked to the state as a concept. You do not say Osmo : live or block pine : live or the like which may may have done before the creation of the State of Sweden .

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'''Conlon'''

Interesting thoughts. The problem is that when the state runs back entry clan society forward . The question is which one is preferable ...

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'''Jonas Ek'''

What is the difference?

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'''uno Hansson'''

What do you mean by clan society? Is it then something resembling panarki you mean ?

To each the government or non -governmental society he or she chooses ! - John Zube

http://www.mises.se/2010/09/25/panarkistiska-strategier/

The various " clans " within the territorial panarkin can not reasonably be viewed as anything but various derivatives to a completely libertarian market (where each association fully respects each individual's negative rights (including negative association ) .

Snow, ice and steam can not exist without water - it is derivative to water - the reverse is not possible.

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