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9. Romans | 9. [[Romans 6]] and [[Romans 7]]<Br> | ||
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| The kingdom is spiritual as faith is a gift but faith without works is dead because that faith is false. | |||
To say you have accepted Christ but not do as he says is both vile and vain. | |||
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| Christ came in the flesh, preached the kingdom and overcame the flesh but continued to live in the flesh but not of it. He ate and drank in his kingdom,7 appointed men who appointed men to do real things in the kingdom to which he restored power with a baptism of fire. | |||
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| Christians seem to no longer have that power. It is because they are no longer Christians but have sacrificed to other gods and applied for the bounty of those altars. They have elected new fathers who exercise parens patria. USC15s15. | |||
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| They are again a scattered flock who by the voice of the people choose men to exercise authority over them and their neighbor and call them benefactor and pretend to be Christians having a form of godliness but deny the power there of. | |||
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| They "invent" their own christianity and live in a strong delusion. We know that all the nations will be deceived and returned to bondage and of course they have. Their mortal flesh is again in the bondage of Egypt more than it was in the days of Joseph. This is so because the spirit is not in them but they are deceived. | |||
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| V14-20 of Paul's letter to the Romans seems to tell us Paul knew as a sinner he was not [[saved]]. <Br>He knew that Christ told us to [[Repent]] and to [[seek]] the [[kingdom of God]] and His [[righteousness]]. To [[repent]] is to think differently. To think righteously we need the [[Holy Spirit]], which is the [[tree of life]]. | |||
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| The word translated sold under sin is the Greek word πεπραμένος or pepramenos. | |||
It only appears in this one place and is a metaphor for the fact that the flesh is weak and often subject. | |||
This is the same as Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." Or | |||
Mark 14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." | |||
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| When Paul talks about law he is often talking about natural law like in verse 1 and it's "dominion over a man". | |||
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| The Greeks have the one word for law νόμος (nomos). But Paul is always trying to get people to see the [[Natural Law]] which is [[Divine Will]] and not bind themselves with [[covetous practices]] of the [[world]] which is [[idolatry]].<Ref name="Isidolatry">{{Isidolatry}}</Ref> | |||
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| The [[Doctrine of Jesus]] is directing us to the Spiritual law | |||
because His teaching which Paul preached first were about the journey of our Spirit first and say: | |||
: Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." | |||
: Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." | |||
: Mark 13:13 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." | |||
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| Paul also knew despite the fact people may want to believe they are save your imagining that you have faith is not sufficient to save you. When they wanted Christ to confirm that the were saved already He said, Luke 13:23 " Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." | |||
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| Christ came that you "might" be saved. John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." | |||
Sin is evidence your faith is not real. | |||
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| It is the [[modern Christian]] that is willing to imagine they are [[saved]] while they "sit in darkness" like the [[Pharisees]] under a "[[strong delusion]]" that they have true faith when in truth they seek the "[[wages of unrighteousness]]" from men who call themselves "[[benefactors]]" offering the people the [[benefits]] of the very "[[Corban]]" that makes the word of God to none effect through [[covetous practices]] condemned by Jesus . | |||
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1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,)how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? | 1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,)how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? | ||
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6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. | 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. | ||
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. | 7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.<Ref name="covetnot">{{covetnot}}</Ref> | ||
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. | 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. | ||
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13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. | 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. | ||
14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. | 14 ¶ For we know that the [[law is spiritual]]: but I am carnal, sold under sin. | ||
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. | 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. | ||
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25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. | 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. | ||
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Latest revision as of 10:46, 9 June 2024
Romans Chapter 7
9. Romans 6 and Romans 7
http://www.hisholychurch.net/kkvv/5thbatch/13-2-10Romans-9.mp3
| Comments |
| The kingdom is spiritual as faith is a gift but faith without works is dead because that faith is false.
To say you have accepted Christ but not do as he says is both vile and vain. |
| Christ came in the flesh, preached the kingdom and overcame the flesh but continued to live in the flesh but not of it. He ate and drank in his kingdom,7 appointed men who appointed men to do real things in the kingdom to which he restored power with a baptism of fire. |
| Christians seem to no longer have that power. It is because they are no longer Christians but have sacrificed to other gods and applied for the bounty of those altars. They have elected new fathers who exercise parens patria. USC15s15. |
| They are again a scattered flock who by the voice of the people choose men to exercise authority over them and their neighbor and call them benefactor and pretend to be Christians having a form of godliness but deny the power there of. |
| They "invent" their own christianity and live in a strong delusion. We know that all the nations will be deceived and returned to bondage and of course they have. Their mortal flesh is again in the bondage of Egypt more than it was in the days of Joseph. This is so because the spirit is not in them but they are deceived. |
| V14-20 of Paul's letter to the Romans seems to tell us Paul knew as a sinner he was not saved. He knew that Christ told us to Repent and to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness. To repent is to think differently. To think righteously we need the Holy Spirit, which is the tree of life. |
| The word translated sold under sin is the Greek word πεπραμένος or pepramenos.
It only appears in this one place and is a metaphor for the fact that the flesh is weak and often subject. This is the same as Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." Or Mark 14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." |
| When Paul talks about law he is often talking about natural law like in verse 1 and it's "dominion over a man". |
| The Greeks have the one word for law νόμος (nomos). But Paul is always trying to get people to see the Natural Law which is Divine Will and not bind themselves with covetous practices of the world which is idolatry.[1] |
| The Doctrine of Jesus is directing us to the Spiritual law
because His teaching which Paul preached first were about the journey of our Spirit first and say:
|
| Paul also knew despite the fact people may want to believe they are save your imagining that you have faith is not sufficient to save you. When they wanted Christ to confirm that the were saved already He said, Luke 13:23 " Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." |
| Christ came that you "might" be saved. John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Sin is evidence your faith is not real. |
| It is the modern Christian that is willing to imagine they are saved while they "sit in darkness" like the Pharisees under a "strong delusion" that they have true faith when in truth they seek the "wages of unrighteousness" from men who call themselves "benefactors" offering the people the benefits of the very "Corban" that makes the word of God to none effect through covetous practices condemned by Jesus . |
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1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,)how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.[2]
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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- ↑ Covetousness is idolatry
- Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:"
- Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
- 1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
- For it is written that the tables of dainties provided by rulers of the world are a snare because they cause the masses to bite one another through government systems of legal charity which are covetous practices which are a form of fornication or adultery where the people are devoured as merchandise, curse children and are "entangled again in the yoke of bondage" with the aid of the false religion of the whore who rides the beast.
- ↑ Covet not
- Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour’s."
- Deuteronomy 5:21 "Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbour’s."
- Micah 2:2 "And they covet fields, and take [them] by violence; and houses, and take [them] away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage." Property and inheritance tax.
- Habakkuk 2:9 "Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil! 10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul."
- Mark 7:20 "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
- Romans 7:7 "What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
- Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
- 1 Corinthians 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
- 1 Corinthians 6:10 "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." See Not inherit the kingdom
- Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." See Not inherit the kingdom
- 2 Timothy 3:2 "For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
- 2 Peter 2:3 "And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."
- 2 Peter 2:14 "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:"
- Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:"