Talk:Conversation in Heaven

The idea of making no covenants with the gods -- gods of a purely civil realm (involving leaders who operate in a system on earth that is void of intentional design factors established by the Most High ... the most important of which is the design factor of real love) -- is the same idea expressed in the commitment of Joshua:

Joshua 24:15 --- And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Idolatry is the same, whether it is practiced according to 'ancient traditions' ("on the other side of the flood") or according to modern and 'new-fangled' ideas ("in whose land ye dwell"). Those who serve according to ancient or modern ideas of mankind are willing to claim that the practices of caring about your neighbor (like a Good Samaritan or as did the sheep in Matthew 25:37) are not the main focus in life (life that is falsely re-defined as "existential life before you go to the grave"). In fact, those who are deeply committed to the way of Cain would claim it is too distracting if you become too involved in the personal lives of neighbors. And words like "too distracting" or "not the main focus in life" are words which equate to "evil", so that Joshua said, "... if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord ...".

In God's economy, idolatry is evil and making covenants with the gods is evil.

The conversation in heaven includes your covenant with the Most High (ruler above all heaven and earth).

Rachel sat upon her father's idols, as she brought them with her to the land to where Jacob moved his family (Genesis 31:19,34).

It seems those idols were part of her faith (the practice of what she thought was religion). They were part of her "baggage".

Did 'christians' do this same thing when they first began to draw near to God? Did they think they could also keep their idols, while they claim to come be adopted into the family of God, into spiritual Israel? Did the 'christian' claim the Most High ordains a Social Security system as "His way" of helping elderly folks in a system of [corban] that made the Word of God to none effect? Would God ordain a system of idols, knowing that it nullifies His Word? Would God bless the idolater who made a covenant with gods involved with a Social Security Administration?

What is the path which leads to the conversation in heaven? What is the way to "serve the Lord", as Joshua meant it? Did you learn the way well enough that you are recognized in the kingdom of heaven, where no man exercises authority one over the other? Do you approach the altar of Christ? Do you participate in the daily ministration?