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Communities Ancient

2018-05-03T23:23:23Z

Jeff:

All communities were survival communities in ancient times.

The natural gregarious nature of man drew people together. Families and clans were naturally bound by common origins or lineal consanguinity. Bringing a broader group together was often based on common interests or beliefs. Different forms of tribal communities worked and others disappeared.

Most were voluntary societies because of the independence required to survive.

Civil societies were also communities but evolved away from the voluntary society to a more controlled society. While control could be imposed by policy, members would often become dependent upon society itself either because the alternative outside of that society was too difficult or dangerous or because members of society lost the ability to survive on their own.

There are a vast list of societies and forms of governments used to aid in the function of those societies.

The Greek city states, which provided a variety of community forms, Ancient Rome and its evolution into an imperial power. Ancient Israel, the Teuton tribes and confederations all came about, evolved and degenerated over the centuries.

What can we learn from their mistakes and practices?

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Kosmos

2018-01-21T16:21:30Z

Jeff: /* What world? */

[[File:eccehomo.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Pilate was about to judge Jesus in court but Jesus kingdom was not of Pilate's '''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php kosmos]'''. ]]

== What world? ==

:: '''"Ancient texts require ancient dictionaries."'''

When people try to talk about the kingdom of God being a real system or [[The Way|way]] of righteousness many [[modern Christians]] respond with the "kingdom of God is not of this world" as if the kingdom is not on the planet?

When [[Jesus]] told [[Pontius Pilate]], who was about to sit in the judgment seat,<Ref>John 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.</Ref> that His Kingdom was not of the “[[World|world]]” we see one of five different Greek words found in the New Testament which have all been translated into the single word “[[World|world]]”. The word was ''kosmos'', and it is defined in Strong's Concordance as an “orderly arrangement” but without knowing the historical etymology and common usage this definition by itself can be deceptive.

In Thayer's Greek Lexicon and [https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/BLBStrongs.cfm "The Outline of Biblical Usage"] <Ref>[The Outline of Biblical Usage was created by Larry Pierce], creator of the Online Bible, and is used with permission. For further information on this tool...Larry Pierce combined what Dr. Strong cited with Smith's Bible Dictionary and Dr. Thayer cited in his abridged Thayer's 1889 Greek-English Lexicon. It is keyed to Kittel's “Theological Dictionary of the New Testament.” This resulted in the Greek Definitions module for the Online Bible [OLB] Concordance, Winterbourne, Ontario, Canada. [https://onlinebible.net/ Online Bible Software]. </Ref> we see κόσμος [Kosmos] is primarily defined as:

# “an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government.”<Ref>https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=KJV</Ref>

The [[Kingdom of God]] was not of the [[world]] of [[Rome]] and Pontius Pilate but it is at hand. People need to change the way they think about that kingdom. It is not about going to a church and just loving those who love you.<Ref>[[Luke 6]]:32 For if ye love them which love you, what [[grace|thank]] have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.</Ref> It is about gathering and loving even those who hate us. That is [[repent]]ance.

The [[Kingdom of God]] is the "harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government" operating by faith, hope and charity by the [[perfect law of liberty]] according to the [[doctrines of Jesus]].

Once we are willing to understand that the [[kingdom of God]] is now, here on this planet, for the living, in this [[world]] just not of the [[world]]s like [[Rome]] our thinking about the [[gospel of the kingdom]] must change. That too is [[repent]]ance.

We should be seeking the [[The Congregation|"harmonious arrangement"]] of the [[kingdom of God]] by striving<Ref>[[Luke 13]]:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.</Ref> and persevering<Ref>Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
: Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the [[kingdom of God]].</Ref> to do what Christ [[The Congregation|commanded that the people should do]].

To find the [[righteousness]] of God we need to seek His [[Holy Spirit]] by coming in the name of Christ, who came to serve not be served,<Ref>[[Luke 22]]:27 For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
: [[Luke 15]]:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
: [[Luke 16]]:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and [[mammon]].:
: John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.</Ref> who came to set men free not impose heavy burdens upon the people,<Ref>Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
: [[Isaiah 58]]:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?</Ref> who came to lay down his life that others might be saved.<Ref>John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
: John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19 ¶ There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.</Ref>

== Jurisdiction of God and men ==

There is the "[[world]]" or "kosmos" of [[Cain]], [[Nimrod]], [[Egypt]] and [[Rome]] and there is the [[world]] of [[Christ]], His kingdom of righteousness. One functions by the rule of force and fear and the other serves righteousness through freedom and faith.

Christians were not to be "of" the [[world]] of [[Rome]] but "in" it. Early followers of Christ knew what that meant because they understood the word "Kosmos". There seems to be an actual effort to avoid the true meaning of that word to evade the truth that the kingdom of God is actually at hand.

That "[[Kosmos]]"/[[world]] of [[Rome]] had become a system of [[covetous practices]] where the people were [[biting one another]] through the power of governments for personal [[benefits]] and gain which made the people [[merchandise|human resources]]. [[Early Christians]] understood that and in their pursuit of the [[righteousness]] of [[Pure Religion]] and [[The Way]] of Christ the difference in what they did caused [[Christian conflict|conflict and persecution]].

In the 7th century BC the term "kosmos" was used in constitutions to describe the jurisdictional "office of magistrate".<Ref> “For example, a very early constitutional inscription shows that 7th-century Drerus on Crete prohibited tenure of the office of kosmos—a local magistracy—until 10 years had elapsed since a man’s last tenure.) That is a refreshing approach and surely contains some truth. “ The Later Archaic Periods, The rise of the tyrants https://www.britannica.com/place/ancient-Greece/The-later-Archaic-periods</Ref>

In the Greek and Roman view of the term ''[[Kosmos]]'' “... meant originally the discipline of an army, and next the ordered constitution of a state.”<Ref>John Burnet's Early Greek Philosophy: Section A: Introduction </Ref>

The word κόσμος came from the Greek “komizo” meaning “to care for, take care of, provide for” or “carry off what is one’s own.”

''Kosmos'' did not mean planet, inhabitable place, or age. It had to do with courts, militias and armies organized to establish and maintain governments.

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== The Constitutional Law of Dreros ==

[http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=4552 The Earliest Surviving Greek Law on Stone] 
(Circa 650 BCE – 600 BCE)

Meiggs & Lewis, A Selection of Greek Historical Inscriptions to the End of the Fifth Century B.C. (1969) No. 2 (pp. 2-3 provide the following translation of the law:

:: "May God be kind (?). The city has thus decided; when a man has been kosmos, the same man shall not be kosmos again for ten years. If he does act as kosmos, whatever, judgements he gives, he shall owe double, and he shall lose his rights to office, as long as he lives, and whatever he does as kosmos shall be nothing. The swearers shall be the kosmos (.e. the body of kosmoi) and the damioi, and twenty of the city."

Meiggs & Lewis p. 3 provide the following technical commentary on the law:
:: "The law forbids the repeated tenure of the office of [[kosmos]], presumably, as elsewhere in Crete, the chief magistracy, before ten years have elapsed. The provision is paralleled at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gortyn Gortyn]<Ref>Gortyn is an archaeological site on the Mediterranean island of Crete</Ref>... sixth century, and it has generally been explained there by the need to make a break in the financial and legal immunity of a magistrate. The length of time which has to elapse in Dreros, however, suggests strongly that the motive was rather to limit the possibilities of using the office as a stepping-stone to tyranny (the first editors) or to bolster the power of an individual family (Ehrenberg, Willets)."

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== [http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2017/2017-09-47.html Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2017.09.47] ==

Reviewed by James Kierstead, Victoria University of Wellington
: "The Gortyn Law Code mandates that an heiress can only marry someone outside her phylē<Ref>Phyle is an ancient Greek term for clan or tribe. They were usually ruled by a basileus. Some of them can be classified by their geographic location: the Geleontes, the Argadeis, the Hopletes, and the Agikoreis, in Ionia; the Hylleans, the Pamphyles, the Dymanes, in the Dorian region.</Ref> once she has exhausted all the options within it (col. 7.50-8.35). For Grote, this was to ensure a rotation of the powerful office of [[kosmos]] among all the city’s great families. The [[kosmos]] was rotated through the phylai, and the great families needed to be kept within their phylai if the system was not to be circumvented. The system eventually broke down in the fourth century, probably because the phylai were never equal in power, and the most powerful phylai came to find waiting for office intolerable. The Gortynian phylai also sent members to a Council."

: "The situation at Dreros is less clear, but a seventh-century inscription (Koerner no. 91) contains the phrase πόλι ἔϝαδε διαλήσασι πυλᾶσι, ‘the city decided after consulting the phylai.’ Grote takes this to imply that representatives from each phylē met in a deliberative Council, which he identifies with the ‘Twenty of the polis’ mentioned in the famous inscription limiting iteration of the office of kosmos (ML 2)."

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== Footnotes ==

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Matthew 4:8 '''Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world <2889>, and the glory of them;'''

Matthew 5:14 '''Ye are the light of the world <2889>. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.'''

Matthew 13:35 '''That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world <2889>.'''

Matthew 13:38 '''The field is the world <2889>; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;'''

Matthew 16:26 '''For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world <2889>, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?'''

Matthew 18:7 '''Woe unto the world <2889> because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
'''

Matthew 24:21 '''For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world <2889> to this time, no, nor ever shall be.'''

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world <2889>:

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world <2889>, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world <2889>, and lose his own soul?

Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world <2889>, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world <2889>, and preach the gospel to
every creature.

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world <2889>, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world <2889>, may be required of this generation;

Luke 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world <2889> seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world <2889>.

John 1:10 He was in the world <2889>, and the world <2889> was made by him, and the world <2889> knew him not.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world <2889>.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world <2889>, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world <2889> to condemn the world <2889>; but that the world <2889> through him might be saved.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world <2889>, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world <2889>.

John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world <2889>.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world <2889>.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world <2889>.

John 7:4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world <2889>.

John 7:7 The world <2889> cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world <2889>: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world <2889>; I am not of this world <2889>.

John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world <2889> those things which I have heard of him.

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world <2889>, I am the light of the world <2889>.

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world <2889>, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world <2889>, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world <2889>.

John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world <2889>.

John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world <2889> is gone after him.

John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world <2889> shall keep it unto life eternal.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world <2889>: now shall the prince of this world <2889> be cast out.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world <2889>, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to
judge the world <2889>, but to save the world <2889>.

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he
should depart out of this world <2889> unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world <2889>, he loved them unto the end.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world <2889> cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world <2889> seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world <2889>?

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world <2889> giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world <2889> cometh, and hath nothing in me.

John 14:31 But that the world <2889> may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

John 15:18 If the world <2889> hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world <2889>, the world <2889> would love his own: but because ye are not of the world <2889>, but I have chosen you out of the world <2889>, therefore the world <2889> hateth you.

John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world <2889> of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world <2889> is judged.

John 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world <2889> shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world <2889>.

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world <2889>: again, I leave the world <2889>, and go to the Father.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world <2889> ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world <2889>.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world <2889> was.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world <2889>: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world <2889>, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world <2889>, but these are in the world <2889>, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world <2889>, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world <2889>, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world <2889> hath hated them, because they are not of the world <2889>, even as I am not of the world <2889>.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world <2889>, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

John 17:16 They are not of the world <2889>, even as I am not of the world <2889>

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world <2889>, even so have I also sent them into the world <2889>.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world <2889> may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world <2889> may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world <2889>.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world <2889> hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world <2889>; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world <2889>: if my kingdom were of this world <2889>, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world <2889>, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world <2889> itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Born again

2017-10-25T18:15:17Z

Jeff:

: John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be '''born again''', he cannot see the kingdom of God.
:: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
:: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
: John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be '''born again'''.
:: 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

What does it mean to be “born again?” Jesus said, “Except a man be born of '''''water''''' and of the '''''Spirit''''', he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In addition, Jesus made a clear distinction between being born of the flesh and born of the Spirit.

So how do you know if you’re born of the Spirit?

: [[1 Peter 1]]:3 ¶ Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath '''begotten us again''' unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

: 1 Peter 1:23 Being '''born again''', not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Many say they are born again Christians but are they truly born of the Spirit?

Are they even Christians?

How do we know we are not under a strong delusion or worse yet [[Workers of Iniquity]]?

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Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs

2017-09-15T23:10:41Z

Jeff:

One of the earliest Christian text in the Latin language is a court record concerning six Christians from the North-African town of Scilli. Brought before a provincial governor in Carthage, they were tried according to the procedure similar to the letters of Pliny the Younger.

The Latin text is mainly that of Antoon Bastiaensen (1987).

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! Acta Martyrum Scillitanorum !! The Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs !! Comments
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|(1) Praesente bis et Condiano consulibus, XVI Kalendas augustas, Karthagine in secretario inpositis Sperato, Nartzalo et Cittino, Donata, Secunda, Vestia, Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Potestis indulgentiam domini nostri imperatoris promereri, si ad bonam mentem redeatis.
| During the consulship of Praesens (second term) and Condianus, on 17 July, in Carthage, there were led into the governor’s office: Speratus, Nartzalus and Cittinus; Donata, Secunda, Vestia. 
Saturninus the governor said: “You can have mercy from our lord the emperor, if you return to your senses.”
| [[Rome]] had outlawed [[Private welfare|Private Religion]] and compelled everyone to sign up for their system of [[Public religion ]] run through the Temples. These Christians were accused of violating that edict of government which was often at the center of the [[Christian conflict]] with Rome. Saturninus said they may ''earn'' (promereri) a ''pardon'' (indulgentiam)from ''our lord the emperor'' (nostri imperatoris) if they would ''return'' (redeatis) to a ''sound mind''(ad bonam mentem). What Saturninus wants the Christians to do is sign up at the government supported [[temples]] and take [[oaths]] to participate in what has been called the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]].
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|(2) Speratus dixit: “Numquam malefecimus, iniquitati nullam operam praebuimus; numquam malediximus, sed male accepti gratias egimus; propter quod imperatorem nostrum observamus.”
|Speratus said: “We have never done wrong. We have stayed clear of treating people unfairly. We have never spoken ill of anyone. Instead, when treated badly, we have offered thanks, because we obey our own ruler.”
| Speratus seems to be distinguishing that their ruler is not Saturninus nor his "nostri imperatoris" but says "propter quod imperatorem nostrum observamus"<Ref>[https://translate.google.com/?safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#la/en/propter%20quod%20imperatorem%20nostrum%20observamus for the sake of that pay heed to OUR EMPEROR]."</Ref> which is translated "because we obey our own ruler" which appears to be "another king, ''one'' Jesus".<Ref>[[Acts 17]]:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.</Ref> [[Modern Christians]] often say they have no King but Jesus but the [[Pharisees]] said they had Moses but Jesus said they did not know Him nor [[Moses]].
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|(3) Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Et nos religiosi sumus, et simplex est religio nostra, et iuramus per genium domini nostri imperatoris, et pro salute eius supplicamus, quod et vos quoque facere debetis.”
| Saturninus the governor said: “We too are religious and our religion is simple: we swear by the birth spirit of our lord the emperor and offer sacrifice for his health, which you must do as well.”
|Christ offered [[salvation]] by [[seek]]ing the [[righteousness]] of [[Pure Religion]] in the [[Kingdom of God]] which He [[appoint]]ed to the [[apostles]] for the living. We were stop the taking of [[oaths]] and not being members of Judean or Roman systems of [[corban]]. "et pro salute eius supplicamus" "for the salvation of his welfare"
|-
|(4) Speratus dixit: “Si tranquillas praebueris aures tuas, dico mysterium simplicitatis.”
| Speratus said: “If you are prepared to listen to me, I will tell you a mystery of simplicity.”
| Sparatus is offering to explain a "a mystery of simplicity"
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|(5) Saturninus dixit: “Initianti tibi mala de sacris nostris aures non praebebo; sed potius iura per genium domini nostri imperatoris.”
| Saturninus said: “If you’re going to tell bad things about our sacred rituals, I will not listen to you. Rather, swear by the birth spirit of our lord the emperor.”
| But Saturninus refuses to hear and again says he swears by the "genium domini nostri imperatoris", genius<Ref>"genius loci. late 14c., "tutelary god (classical or pagan)," from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth". This is not unlike the "cradle to grave" [[protection]] offered by FDR with [[Social Security]].</Ref> of our ''lord the emperor'' Caesar.
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|(6] Speratus dixit: “Ego [[imperium]] huius seculi non cognosco; sed magis illi deo servio, quem nemo hominum vidit nec videre his oculis potest. Furtum non feci; sed siquid emero teloneum reddo; quia cognosco dominum meum, regem regum et imperatorem omnium gentium.”
|Speratus said: “I do not acknowledge the authority of this world, but I rather serve that God whom no one has seen or can see with these eyes. I have never been guilty of theft, but whenever I buy, I pay the tax, because I acknowledge my lord, the king of kings and ruler of all peoples.”
|When Speratus does “not acknowledge authority” he uses the word [[imperium]], “power, command”, which relates to Jesus' command ''"to call no man [[father]] upon the earth"''. So much for the misinterpretation of [[Romans 13]] by the [[Modern Christians]] who do contrary to the [[Doctrines of Jesus]].
|-
|(7) Saturninus proconsul dixit ceteris: “Desinite huius esse persuasionis.” 
Speratus dixit: “Mala est persuasio homicidium facere, falsum testimonium dicere.”
| Saturninus the governor said to the others: “Stop being of this persuasion!” 
Speratus said: “Bad is the persuasion to commit murder, to bear false testimony.”
|While Saturninus wants him to repent but Sparatus, who was not allowed to testify before the court by Saurninus while facing charges of a capital crime, points out that murder and false witness are bad.
|-
|(8) Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Nolite huius dementiae esse participes.” 
Cittinus dixit: “Nos non habemus alium quem timeamus, nisi Dominum Deum nostrum qui est in caelis.”
| Saturninus the governor said: “Stop being part of this madness!” 
Cittinus said: “We have no other to fear but the Lord our God, who is in heaven.”
|Clearly the trial is going bad. Saturninus not only refuses to let the accused offer an explanation he accuses Sparatus of ''madness'', also translated ''folly'' (dementiae). But the real folly or madness is found in the [[Modern Christian]] who thinks they are saved even though they do not [[Keep the Commandments]] of Jesus and are [[workers of iniquity]] by praying to the [[Caesar]]s of the [[world]] for their [[benefits]].
|-
|(9) Donata dixit: “Honorem Caesari quasi Caesari; timorem autem Deo.” 
Vestia dixit: “Christiana sum.” 
Secunda dixit: “Quod sum, ipsud volo esse.”
|Donata said: “Honor to Caesar in his capacity as Caesar, but fear to God.” 
Vestia said: “I am a Christian.” 
Secunda said: “What I am is exactly what I want to be.”
|[[Caesar]] was an office. But the duty to the God the [[Father]] was being infringed upon. The [[gods]] of [[Rome]] were dependent upon the state taking the position of [[Father]] which was the [[imperium]] of society which these people did not accept.
|-
|[10) Saturninus proconsul Sperato dixit: “Perseveras christianus?” 
Speratus dixit: “Christianus sum”; et cum eo omnes consenserunt.
| Saturninus the governor said to Speratus: “Do you persevere in being a Christian?” 
Speratus said: “I am a Christian”, and all uttered their agreement with him.
| As Christians they admitted that they were members of a [[private religion]] and not the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]].
|-
|(11) Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Numquid ad deliberandum spatium vultis?” 
Speratus dixit: “In re tam iusta nulla est deliberatio.”
| Saturninus the governor said: “Do you want some time to consider the matter carefully?” 
Speratus said: “In such a just cause there is no need for careful consideration.”
|These [[Christians]] did not pray or apply at the [[temples]] of [[Rome]] for the [[free bread]] of the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]]. [[Plutarch]] and [[Polybius]] had warned the people that their [[covetous practices]] of the Roman temples would lead to the loss of liberty and despotism. Christians were going another way.
|-
|(12) Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Quae sunt res in capsa vestra?” 
Speratus dixit: “Libri et epistulae Pauli viri iusti.”
|Saturninus the governor said: “What sort of things do you have in that case of yours?” 
Speratus said: “Books and letters of Paul, a righteous man.”
|Likely some of the epistles of Paul and possibly Matthew and I Peter. Christians went to the [[benefactors]] of the [[early Church]] who did not [[exercise authority]] one over the other nor require the people to take [[oaths]]. This was a major [[Christian conflict]] with the bankrupt Roman system of free bread.
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|(13) Saturninus proconsul dixit: “Moram XXX dierum habete et recordemini.” 
Speratus iterum dixit: “Christianus sum”; et cum eo omnes consenserunt.
|Saturninus the governor said: “Have a delay of 30 days and think things over!” 
Again Speratus said: “I am a Christian”, and all uttered their agreement with him.
|[[Modern Christians]] say they are Christians but they take [[oaths]] to the Caesars of their [[world]] to obtain [[benefits]] at the expense of their neighbor. Seeking [[welfare]] by the [[imperium]] of modern State which are [[covetous practices]] spoken of by Peter which makes men [[merchandise|human resources]] and has [[cursed children]].
|-
|(14) Saturninus proconsul decretum ex tabella recitavit: “Speratum, Nartzalum, Cittinum, Donatam, Vestiam, Secundam et ceteros ritu christiano se vivere confessos, quoniam oblata sibi facultate ad Romanorum morem redeundi obstinanter perseveraverunt, gladio animadverti placet.”
|Saturninus the governor read aloud the sentence from a tablet:<Ref>“a tablet”: a wooden plaque layered with wax to inscribe notes upon.</Ref> “Concerning Speratus, Nartzalus, Cittinus, Donata, Vestia, Secunda and the others who have confessed that they live according to the Christian [[religion]]: because inspite of the opportunity given to them to return to the Roman way of life, they have stubbornly persisted in maintaining theirs, I have decided that they be put to the sword.”
| To return to the Roman way of life was to sign up for the [[benefits]] offered by the [[temples]] of [[Rome]]. [[Modern Christians]] have returned to that way of [[Rome]]. They [[bite]] one another through the agencies of [[socialist]] governments which they have made for themselves. They pray at the [[temples]] of those governments for their [[free bread]] and [[daily ministration]] and the [[welfare]].
|-
|(15) Speratus dixit: “Deo gratias agimus.” 
Nartzalus dixit: “Hodie martyres in caelis sumus: Deo gratias.”
|Speratus said: “We offer thanks to God.” 
Nartzalus said: “Today we are martyrs in heaven. Thanks to God.”
|The Christians of the [[early Church]] would die rather than sign up at the [[temples]] of [[Rome]]. [[Modern Christians]] make excuses to justify their [[covetous practices]] which makes them a [[surety]] for debt, [[merchandise]] and [[curse children]].
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|(16) Saturninus proconsul per praeconem dici iussit: “Speratum, Nartzalum, Cittinum, Veturium, Felicem, Aquilinum, Laetantium, Ianuariam, Generosam, Vestiam, Donatam, Secundam duci iussi.”
|Saturninus the governor ordered a herald to declare his sentence: “I have ordered Speratus, Nartzalus, Cittinus, Veturius, Felix, Aquilinus, Laetantius, Januaria, Generosa, Vestia, Donata and Secunda, to be executed.
|To the objective student of the [[Bible]] the primary characteristic of the provisions for the needy is by [[freewill offerings]] and what we call [[charity]]. The primary difference between the government of [[Rome]] at the time of Christ or [[Nimrod]] or [[Cain]] or even [[Egypt]] and the [[Kingdom of God]] is that those governments of the world eventually used force to compel the contributions of the people to provide the care of widows and orphans along with other needy people of society. Real Christians will not, even unto death. That [[imperium]] of the State to force those contributions comes from the [[oaths]] and applications of the people who make the state their [[Benefactors]] by putting them in the position of their [[Father]].
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|(17) Universi dixerunt: “Deo gratias.” 
Et statim decollati sunt pro nomine Christi. 
Amen.
| All said: “Thanks to God.” 
And immediately they were decapitated for the name of Christ. 
Amen.
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== Footnotes ==

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Scot McKnight

2017-08-30T18:52:59Z

Jeff:

I did a personal study of Scot McKnight starting at about 10pm one night and started up again about 4am. By 6:30 had listen to 3 hours of sermons and read many articles on him and his books and writings.

Bridging the gap between [[modern Church]] "thinking" and [[early Church]] "doing" is a very difficult task. We have minsters who are serving modern Christian churches and are faced with the difficulty of bridging that gap.

'''Are there other church ministers beginning to see the kingdom?'''

Scot McKnight is an American New Testament scholar, historian of early Christianity, theologian, speaker, author and blogger who has written widely on the historical Jesus, early Christianity, the emerging church and missional church movements, spiritual formation and Christian living. He is currently Professor of New Testament at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL.

McKnight is an ordained Anglican with anabaptist leanings, and has also written frequently on issues in modern anabaptism.

Scot McKnight’s proposals in his book "Kingdom Conspiracy" is that “the Kingdom is the church and there is no Kingdom (now)outside of the church.”

Scot's 15 theses start falling a part in some places if we look at the practical application and practices of the people of the early Church and kingdom. But he is looking at the gospel with clearer eyes than most modern Church ministers.

Scot McKnight's first session at the Mission of the Church in the 21st Century conference held at Laidlaw's Henderson campus on 7 May 2014. https://youtu.be/p2VSmCJEqdY

In Scot's “Kingdom Conspiracy” ch. 55, entitled “Kingdom is People,” and ch. 6. p.74: he says in the Bible, “the “kingdom” always refers to a people governed by a king.”

He is saying that the modern Christian does not understand this term "kingdom". He goes on to say that “kingdom” implies “a king, a rule, a people, a land, and a law.”

David Fitch states concerning Scot McKnight “ if what he says is true, then the present day church is a sad expression of the Kingdom. It bears little resemblance of the Kingdom described by Jesus.”

Scot McKnight believes Jesus was preaching a political Kingdom and the Church is that kingdom.

In my original post I meant to write "While I think he is on the right track" Scot falls short at this time for numerous reasons.

His hour long sermons are often laced with a sharp scholastic finger that pokes holes in modern false theology.

Most of the students he taught wanted to work for social justice with men of democratic government such as Mayor Daily and Barack Obama. He calls this skinny jean theology. Scot believes both Skinny jeans theologies and Pleated pants theology are deconstructing the Church and therefore the kingdom.

'''Skinny jeans''' equals social justice theories and liberation theologies of a kingdom. They imagine that when good people do good things in the pubic sector for the common good they are doing kingdom work. Scot does not.

'''Pleated pants''' kingdom vision asks when and where is the kingdom rather than who is the kingdom. They see the kingdom as both present and future, and the kingdom a rule but they make the kingdom so theoretical and abstract it is irrelevant except to personal redemption.

He also explains Paul better than most preachers today poking at the "doilies on your head" crowd and the law is done away with crowd. https://youtu.be/mMLtGow2mK0

Scot says "The gospel should never be reduced to simply a message of personal salvation." He even asks the questions "Why do you think so many are against a political reading of Jesus? Is it possible to say “kingdom” and not be political?"

Scot writes:

: “This kingdom is both political and redemptive, it is both earthy and from God.”

: “Anyone who wants a non-political kingdom message has avoided what the NT says; anyone who wants a non-political Jesus makes Jesus in their own image. The kingdom and Jesus are through and through political. A new kind of politics, to be sure, but still political. ...”

: “The Bible’s story is often about God and the pagan powers and rulers and kingdoms: Babel, Egypt, Philistines, Assyria, Babylon, Greece and [[Rome]].”

I see that men like Scot McKnight may be able to help us bridge the gap between the [[modern Christians|modern Christian thinking]] and Christ's true teachings and His [gospel of the kingdom].

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Fear not

2017-07-18T20:41:44Z

Jeff:

'''Old Testament'''

* Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

* Genesis 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

* Genesis 26:24 And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham’s sake.

* Genesis 35:17 And it came to pass, when she was in hard labour, that the midwife said unto her, Fear not; thou shalt have this son also.

* Genesis 43:23 And he said, Peace be to you, fear not: your God, and the God of your father, hath given you treasure in your sacks: I had your money. And he brought Simeon out unto them.

* Genesis 46:3 And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

* Genesis 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?

* Exodus 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

* Deuteronomy 1:21 Behold, the LORD thy God hath set the land before thee: go up and possess it, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath said unto thee; fear not, neither be discouraged.

* Deuteronomy 20:3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;

* Deuteronomy 31:6 Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

* Deuteronomy 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed.

* Joshua 8:1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land:

* Joshua 10:25 And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight.

* Judges 4:18 And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him, Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in unto her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle.

* Judges 6:10 And I said unto you, I am the LORD your God; fear not the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but ye have not obeyed my voice.

* Judges 6:23 And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

* Ruth 3:11 And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a virtuous woman.

* 1 Samuel 4:20 And about the time of her death the women that stood by her said unto her, Fear not; for thou hast born a son. But she answered not, neither did she regard it.

* 1 Samuel 12:20 And Samuel said unto the people, Fear not: ye have done all this wickedness: yet turn not aside from following the LORD, but serve the LORD with all your heart;

* 1 Samuel 22:23 Abide thou with me, fear not: for he that seeketh my life seeketh thy life: but with me thou shalt be in safeguard.

* 1 Samuel 23:17 And he said unto him, Fear not: for the hand of Saul my father shall not find thee; and thou shalt be king over Israel, and I shall be next unto thee; and that also Saul my father knoweth.

* 2 Samuel 9:7 And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father’s sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually.

* 2 Samuel 13:28 Now Absalom had commanded his servants, saying, Mark ye now when Amnon’s heart is merry with wine, and when I say unto you, Smite Amnon; then kill him, fear not: have not I commanded you? be courageous, and be valiant.

* 1 Kings 17:13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.

* 2 Kings 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

* 2 Kings 17:34 Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

* 2 Kings 25:24 And Gedaliah sware to them, and to their men, and said unto them, Fear not to be the servants of the Chaldees: dwell in the land, and serve the king of Babylon; and it shall be well with you.

* 1 Chronicles 28:20 And David said to Solomon his son, Be strong and of good courage, and do it: fear not, nor be dismayed: for the LORD God, even my God, will be with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee, until thou hast finished all the work for the service of the house of the LORD.

* 2 Chronicles 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O
* Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.

* Psalms 55:19 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.

* Psalms 64:4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.

* Isaiah 7:4 And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.

* Isaiah 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

* Isaiah 41:13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

* Isaiah 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

* Isaiah 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

* Isaiah 43:5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

* Isaiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

* Isaiah 54:4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

* Jeremiah 40:9 And Gedaliah the son of Ahikam the son of Shaphan sware unto them and to their men, saying, Fear not to serve the Chaldeans: dwell in the land, and serve the king of Babylon, and it shall be well with you.

* Jeremiah 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.

* Lamentations 3:57 Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not.

* Daniel 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

* Daniel 10:19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

* Joel 2:21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.

* Zechariah 8:13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.

* Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

'''New Testament'''

* Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

* Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

* Matthew 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

* Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

* Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

* Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

* Luke 5:10 And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men.

* Luke 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.

* Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

* Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

* Luke 18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;

* John 12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt.

* Acts 27:24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.

* 1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

* Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Marriage

2017-07-18T15:21:38Z

Jeff: /* Woman */

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

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Marriage

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
[[File:wedgodsmany.jpg|300px|Thumb|right|Kneeling before [[Gods|gods many]] ]]
Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

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'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
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2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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Marriage

2017-07-18T15:18:15Z

Jeff: /* Woman */

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

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'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
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2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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Marriage

2017-07-18T15:18:01Z

Jeff: /* Woman */

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

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'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
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2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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2/15/2013 A continuation of Brother Gregory's discussion on the first chapter of the book, The Covenants of the gods, tiled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage.

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'''Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage''' from the book "The Covenants of the gods"

What is the difference between Matrimony by the authority of God and Marriage as it is defined in a legal system?

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Marriage

2017-07-18T15:17:32Z

Jeff: /* Man */

[[File:marriage.jpg|left]]
In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

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In the “Introduction” it states, “I cannot tell you how the Holy Spirit will direct you. I only know it will always be consistent with the Word of God, but uniquely patterned for you.” But what does that mean? [[Permanency of marriage|Read more]]

'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
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2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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'''The International Acceptance and Validity of Holy Matrimony'''

Is Holy Matrimony a Valid Union of a Man and a woman?

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'''Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage''' from the book "The Covenants of the gods"

What is the difference between Matrimony by the authority of God and Marriage as it is defined in a legal system?

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Marriage

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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== Articles and Audio files ==

[[Permanency of marriage]]

This is a review, in love and hope, of a book, Permanency of Marriage, and the doctrine it creates and promotes.

In the “Introduction” it states, “I cannot tell you how the Holy Spirit will direct you. I only know it will always be consistent with the Word of God, but uniquely patterned for you.” But what does that mean? [[Permanency of marriage|Read more]]

'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
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2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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2/15/2013 A continuation of Brother Gregory's discussion on the first chapter of the book, The Covenants of the gods, tiled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage.

'''The International Acceptance and Validity of Holy Matrimony'''

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'''Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage''' from the book "The Covenants of the gods"

What is the difference between Matrimony by the authority of God and Marriage as it is defined in a legal system?

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Marriage

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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[[Permanency of marriage]]

This is a review, in love and hope, of a book, Permanency of Marriage, and the doctrine it creates and promotes.

In the “Introduction” it states, “I cannot tell you how the Holy Spirit will direct you. I only know it will always be consistent with the Word of God, but uniquely patterned for you.” But what does that mean? [[Permanency of marriage|Read more]]

'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php '''Read Chapter 1'''] of the book [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]] 

[http://keysofthekingdom.info/COG-01.mp3 '''Listen to Part 1'''] '''Marriage v. Matrimony Part 1'''

2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

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2/15/2013 A continuation of Brother Gregory's discussion on the first chapter of the book, The Covenants of the gods, tiled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage.

'''The International Acceptance and Validity of Holy Matrimony'''

Is Holy Matrimony a Valid Union of a Man and a woman?

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'''Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage''' from the book "The Covenants of the gods"

What is the difference between Matrimony by the authority of God and Marriage as it is defined in a legal system?

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Marriage

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In the past, marriage was a two-party agreement or contract between a man and a woman by permission of their natural Father and Mother. In fact, before the twentieth century there were few marriage licenses needed. Even [[Karl Marx Marriage|Karl Marx]] did not get a license. He merely had a marriage contract.‏‎

Marriage by the state is a three-party contract giving the state not only judicial power over the contract but legislative and executive power as well. The judicial, legislative and executive powers are the [[Fathers]] of the earth and the [[Gods|gods]] many of the [[World|world]].

That is way too much power with little balance which corrupts the rulers and makes the people [[Slothful|slothful]] and entangles them in the [[Elements]] of the [[World]].

Marriage used to be a two-party contract establishing a union based on that contract and fundamental [[Natural Law]] as "Husband and Wife", a great "domestic relationship".

On January 30, 2014 Alan Keyes wrote an article entitled [http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/140130 ''''Why government involvement in marriage is vital'''.'] As much as I may respect him, I believe he is wrong in his conclusion along with Rep. Mike Turner and other Lawmakers who are considering the prevention of ALL Marriage in Oklahoma (see the following article [http://www.news9.com/story/24543033/lawmakers-consider-preventing-all-marriage-in-oklahoma ''''Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma'''.']) I believe that they are missing some important elements of the problem. They do not understand what they want to create and how to go about it.

With a two-party contract you can still use civil courts to settle disputes but it would be the jury, or if you choose together, the judge who decides "fact and law" as we once did in the republics of America and not the legislature nor the executive branches of government which is what you have now...

It was Marie Antoinette's brother Joseph II of the Holy Roman Empire from 1765 to 1790 who began to redefine marriage as a civil contract where it was merely a contract between two parties and the record was kept by the family and archived by the Church which was not a party to the contract. Today the state is a party to a three party contract and they have the power to change the terms, terminate the contract and even divide the property. Most Americans do not understand the nature of that license and contract which is changing.

With new rulings of the Supreme court and redefining the term ''marriage'' we will soon see ministers sued for refusing to perform gay marriages. The truth is ministers should have never agreed to perform ''state marriage contracts''.

Churches and their ministers should be in the [[World|world]] but not of it. They should have remained the [[Body of Christ]] and not become a part of the body of the state.

Read [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php Holy Matrimony vs Marriage] to find out more about that contract...

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::::: '''Holy Matrimony'''

::: (by the authority of God)

:::::: vs.

::::: '''MARRIAGE'''

::: (by the authority of the State)

There are many ways in which a legal system increases its limited authority, but it is most complete through the consent of the individual. In China, they have “the one child contract”. If you sign it, you will become eligible for many of the benefits offered by the government, such as free medical care, schooling, and better paying jobs. If later the mother becomes pregnant and refuses to abort the child, the family becomes responsible for paying back all the benefits they received for the first child, and often suffer the loss of their present employed position and pay scale. In America, the pressure to abort a child is often much more subtle.

: “The same dealt subtly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children [fetus],<Ref>1Strong’s No. 1025 brephos {bref’-os}of uncertain affin.; n n AV - babe (5) - child (1) - infant (1) - young child (1) [8]1a) an unborn child, embryo, a fetus 1b) a new-born child, an infant, a babe </Ref> to the end they might not live.”<Ref>Strong’s No. 2225 zoogoneo {dzo-og-on-eh’-o}from the same as 2226 and a derivative of 1096; vb AV - preserve (1) - live (1) [2]1) to bring forth alive 2) to give life 3) to preserve alive</Ref> (Acts 7:19)

If children survive the financial and social pressure to be aborted, they must still overcome the strain of the mental and spiritual pressures society shall place upon them.

Unfortunately, society as a whole is continuously degrading the family as a unit, even though the family is the foundation from which the society is built.

: “If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made in the family.”<Ref>Speakers Encyclopedia of Stories, by J.M Braude.</Ref>

Economic pressures may burden and exhaust the parents. Social Security often removes the grandparents from the family unit. School systems distance the parents from the mental development of the children as they are molded outside the family unit. The media and socially applied peer pressures add their own unique and varied distortions to the child’s development.
: “When the foundation fails all fails.”<Ref>Maxims of Law from 1856 Bouvier’s Law Dictionary</Ref>

The few parents who feel a sense of responsibility to raise their children directly, often find their way blocked by a legal system that seems to be usurping the authority of the parents by assuming custody of children in the name of “The Law”. Yet, is it usurpation or have we unwittingly waived custody of our children by some previous legal contract or consensual agreement?

In Bouvier’s definition of law we find stated that:

* “3. An analysis of the science of law presents a view, first, of the rights of persons, distinguishing them as natural persons and artificial person, or body politic or corporations. These rights are deemed either absolute, as relating to the enjoyment of personal security, liberty, and of private property or, on the other hand, as relative, - that is, arising out of the relation in which several persons stand. These relations are either, first, public or political, viz.: the relation of magistrate and people; or, second, are private, as the relations of master and servant, husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward, to which might be added relations arising out private contracts, such as partnerships, principal and agent, and the like.”

* “8. Law, as distinguished from equity, denotes the doctrine and the procedure of the common law of England and America, from which equity is a departure. In respect to the ground of the authority of law, it is divided as natural law, or the law of nature or of God, and positive law.”<Ref>5Bouvier’s Law Dictionary vol II.</Ref>

: “The union of a man and a woman is of the law of nature.”<Ref>Conjuctio mariti et femina est de jure naturæ.</Ref>

But, Attorney Dale Bruder argued, “The Respondent ‘renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty’, when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of ‘marriage’”. He went on to clarify his legal position, “Said license provided irrefutable proof that, the respondent ‘has voluntarily, intentionally, knowingly submitted, and subjected himself to the jurisdiction’ of the State of California”.<Ref>Fabricus vs. Fabricus, Superior Court of California, Case No. 09-231956, May 26, 2009.</Ref>

By these definitions and maxims, we see that the union of a man and woman is a relative, yet, private and natural relationship; and, as a natural relationship, is subject to “natural law”, natural law being “divine will… in contradistinction to positive law”, positive law being that law “established, under human sanctions”. The natural relation of Husband and Wife and its products, such as children, should be relatively free of any interference by others, and so it should be, for “Matrimony ought to be free”.<Ref>Matrimonia debent esse libra. Halkers, Max. 86; 2 Kent, Comm. 102.</Ref>
* “The laws of nature are unchangeable.”<Ref>Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia. Branch, Princ.; Oliver Forms, 56.</Ref>

The word, “marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married”, “is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose association is found on the distinction of sex”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p. 1163.</Ref>

First, it is clear that marriage is distinguished, essentially different, from both the “agreement to marry” and the “act of becoming married”. Secondly, marriage is a civil status. “Civil” is a word used in “contradistinction to military, ecclesiastical, natural, or foreign; thus, we speak of a civil station, as opposed to …an ecclesiastical station”.<Ref>Civil. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary ed. p.331.</Ref>

It also explains that the obligations of the man and woman are not merely to each other, but also to the “community”, and that these civil duties are “legally incumbent”. An “incumbent” is then defined as, “A person who is in present possession of an office; one who is legally authorized to discharge the duties of an office”.<Ref>State v McCollister, 11 Ohio, 50; State v. Blackmore, 104 Mo. 340, 15 S.W. 960. Black’s 3rd Law Dictionary Ed. p.947.</Ref>

The words “person” and “individual” are not synonymous. “Person” being defined as, “a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the right to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1355.</Ref>

The word “individual” in the book “Language”, found in the Volume Library, is treated as a word “frequently misused” and clarifies its meaning with the statement, “The word (individual) should not be used in the mere sense of person. The word is correctly used in ‘Changes both in individuals and communities’”.
“Every person is a man, but not every man a person”<Ref>Omnis persona est homo, sed non vicissim.</Ref>

A person, by definition, is legally bound and connected to the community, while the individual seems to be equal to, or on a separate footing, from the community. The individual is apparently not obligated to the bureaucratic administration in the same degree as those in the legal community. The administrative system has coined the phrase “an individual person” or “natural person”. As usual, their attempt to alleviate confusion seems to have done more to add to the chaos.
: “Man is a term of nature; person, of the civil law”<Ref>Homo vocabulum est; persona juris civilitis. Calvinus, Lex.</Ref>

Fundamentally, is marriage a status or relationship? Today, “Marriage is often referred to as a civil contract, but the emphasis in such a reference is not on the word ‘contract’ but upon the word ‘civil’ as distinguished from ecclesiastical; since there is religious freedom in this country a religious ceremony, and rules of ecclesiastical organizations with regard to marriage have no legal significance”.

* “Though mutual assent is necessary to enter into a marriage the marriage itself is a status or relationship rather than a contract, the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by the law instead of by the parties themselves. Hence marriages are not within the provision of the United States Constitution forbidding a state to impair the obligation of contracts.”<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law. Chapt I §2. The marriage status or relationship. pp. 140.</Ref>

Who are the parties and which law fixes the rights and obligations? Today’s Relationship of Marriage is often neither natural, remembering that the law of nature is “divine will”, nor is it ecclesiastical, which is “distinguished from ‘civil’ or ‘secular’”,<Ref>Ecclesiastical. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 640.</Ref> but it is civil.

As spoken of earlier in Bouvier’s, the “private” relationships of “husband and wife, parent and child, guardian and ward” are not the same as the “legal” relationship granted by a Marriage license, which is clearly “public”, such as “the relation of the magistrate and people”. “The laws of nature are most perfect and immutable; but the condition of human law is an unending succession, and there is nothing in it which can continue perpetually. Human laws are born, live, and die.”<Ref>Leges naturæ perfectissimæ sunt et immutaviles; humani vero juris conditio semper in infinitum decurrit, et nihil est in co quod perpetuo stare possit. Leges humanæ nascuntur, vivunt, moriuntur.7 Coke, 25.</Ref>

A “Marriage license” is “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry,… By statute it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage”,<Ref>Black’s 5th Ed.</Ref> as opposed to ecclesiastical solemnization before civil witnesses. It should be becoming clear that there are at least two types of marriages and, therefore, at least two types of husband-and-wife relationships.
* “Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties - the husband, the wife and the state.”<Ref>Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108: Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.</Ref>

The state has a right to define relationships with the state and in a state marriage, “…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State”.<Ref>Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).</Ref>

In the first paragraph, we see again that at least one type of marriage is “civil” or “public”, as distinguished from another, which may be “private”, “ecclesiastical”, or “natural”. Ecclesiastical organizations have “no legal significance” and, therefore, no civil effect.

This statement made by Clark sets a distinct division between religious freedom and the absence of it. On the one side, he mentions religious freedom in relation to ecclesiastical marriage, but it seems a simple step to realize the reciprocal conclusion. If the ecclesiastical authority to marry has no influence in the realm of legal marriages, then a legal marriage would then have no influence in the realm of ecclesiastical matrimony. This principle applies also to the marriage between the legal churches and the state and the state which established it. The legal church is not operating under the religious freedom aspect of Law in America.

Religious freedom means freedom from dominion over religious practices, which should include the law established by religious belief, as well as rituals, ceremonies, and customs. Religious practices are not merely incantations, sprinkling of water, and smoky rituals. Religious practices includes almost every aspect of life itself.

However, a marriage performed by an “ecclesiastical organization” should not be confused with a marriage performed by today’s churches, which are incorporated entities<Ref>Incorporation…the formation of a legal or political body… In civil law. The union of one domain to another. Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdp. 946. And what concord hath Christ with Belial?…2Co 6:15</Ref> of the state, performing civil marriages as state agents. In most cases, churches will not marry any couple who has not obtained permission to marry, through the purchase of a license from the state, prior to the ceremony. Almost all marriages performed in these churches are performed by the authority vested in those churches and ministers by the state in which they have agreed to act as an agent. This makes the minister an officer of the state carrying out the official duties of that state. Those marriages are not ecclesiastical because they do have legal significance.

The word “Church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia”, which comes from two words “ek”, meaning “out” and “kaleo”, meaning “to call”. Today’s incorporated churches are not marrying couples ecclesiastically, but are calling their people into an unequal civil relationship with the state.

Clark states that this civil marriage contract is a “mutual assent”. As is the case with all contracts, there must be mutual consent and valid consideration. In a natural joining of a man and a woman as Husband and Wife, there is a mutual consent and consideration, but if one or both are persons and have a “legal status” and are obligated to another, then there cannot be a valid consideration without the permission of the one to whom the party is subject.

In old English law, “Marriage is used in the sense of ‘maritagium’ (qv), or the feudal right enjoyed by the lord or guardian in chivalry of disposing of his ward in marriage”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

This is also, in principal, how the word is used today. To clarify this relationship of “lord and ward”, we may consider Clark’s statement, “the rights and obligations of the parties thereto being fixed by law instead of by the parties themselves”, to show that it is the third party, known as the state, that has the right to fix the extent of the privileges and duties by law, which is a larger position to hold in that three-party relationship. The word “law” here refers to the legal system which has already obtained, or at least assumed that it has obtained, a jurisdictional authority over the parties by their consent, either before their application for license (permission) or at the time of its public solemnization.

Marriage is also defined as that which “signifies the act, ceremony or formal proceeding by which persons take each other for husband and wife”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd. Ed. p. 1164.</Ref>

Note the use of the word “persons” and the lack of capitalization of the words “Husband and Wife”. In the same law dictionary, the word “for” is defined as “instead of” or “in place of”.<Ref>Black’s Law Dictionary 3rdEd. p. 795.</Ref> So, the legal status of marriage by civil authority is where you take each other, assenting into a civil relationship with the state, not as Husband and Wife, but “instead of” Husband and Wife, or in other words, “for” husband and wife, and children, who become wards of the state.
“Wife and son are names of nature.”<Ref>Uxor et filius sunt nomina naturæ. 4 Broom, Works. 350.</Ref>

In 1906, the Supreme Court of Nebraska stated that: “It (marriage) differs from all other contracts<Ref>Sample bill passed in order to comply with US Code 42, Section 666. “Bill 532 1997/6/10 Part I Documents Requiring Social Security Numbers for Use in Child Support Enforcement SEC. 4.- “Section 20-1-220. No marriage license may be issued unless a written application shall have been filed with the probate judge, or in Darlington and Georgetown Counties the clerk of court who issues the license, at least twenty-four hours before its issuance. The application must be signed by both of the contracting parties and shall contain the same information as required for the issuing of the license including the social security numbers of the contracting parties.” </Ref> in its far-reaching consequences to the body politic itself, and for that reason, in dealing with it or the status resulting therefrom, the state never stands indifferent, but is always a party whose interest must be taken into account”.<Ref>Willits v. Willits, 107 N.W.379,380.</Ref>
* “Each child belongs to the state.”<Ref>William H. Seawell, professor of education at the University of Virginia</Ref>

The state can and will always consider itself a party in a civil marriage performed by its officers in accordance with the duties and obligations imposed by the permitting authority, but it has no jurisdictional authority over the natural matrimony by “divine will” between two free and natural individuals. It is the previous connecting contractual commitments to the legal society that binds a person’s obedience to the commands of that legal society.

:: Note that a “common law marriage” is simply when the state assumes and recognizes what did appear, at first, to be a “Husband and Wife” relationship At Law, which becomes, in fact, a solemnized civil marriage of “husband and wife” and “state” in equity.

* “A wife is not her own mistress, but is under the power of her husband.”<Ref>Uxor non est sui Juris, sed sub potestate viri. Coke, 3d Inst. 108.</Ref>

According to the natural law and the common law, “All things which are the wife’s belong to the husband”,<Ref>Omnia quæ sunt uxoris sunt ipsius viri. Coke, Litt. 299.</Ref> not because of any misguided assumption that she is inferior, but because she is one with her husband. It is understood in the natural law that the “Husband and Wife are considered one person in law”.<Ref>Vir et uxor consentur in lege una persona. Coke, Litt. 112; Jenk. Cent. Cas. 27.</Ref>

Even in the definition of Husband and Wife, it is called, “One of the great domestic relationships”. That relationship, “being that of a man and a woman lawfully joined in marriage, by which, at common law, the legal existence of the wife is incorporated with that of her husband”.<Ref>Black’s 3rd.Ed.p.910.</Ref>

In other words, it is a lawful joining of the woman’s status to the man.
: “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mr. 10:8.)

This authority that a man holds at law over his wife is not a problem to a good woman, as long as the husband truly loves, honors, and cherishes her, and she is as willing to humble herself to his will as he is willing to humble himself to God’s divine will. As with all contracts, there must be mutual assent and valid consideration.

: “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephesians 5:22, 25)

Despite the fact that the husband is to have custody of his children by God’s law, the individual state governments and bureaucracies are constantly claiming regulatory right and custody. Are these claims of the state usurpation without any basis in law, or is there an aspect to the relationship of a husband and wife that is shared by the state? Blackstone’s opinion saw the women more under the authority of her husband than the state:

* “By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called ... a feme-covert....”<Ref>Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England</Ref>

A ''feme'' covert may not have had legal rights and obligations distinct from those of her husband in most respects because her existence was incorporated into that of her Husband as a Wife. She did not lose her identity as much as, with her Husband, she became an intricate part of a divine corporation of God.
“And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who [are] those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” (Ge. 33:5)

Before the Brits became subjects of kings, as it was in Israel, the Husband of a house was king and his Wife sat upon that throne as queen. The products of their union fell under their dominion and no other but God. But today the women and the wife and the children have become a member of a new larger family, the family of the State. This new family, with a new “father”, steadily incorporated her existence into the State.

* “The statutory word ‘person’ did not in these circumstances include women.” British voting rights case, 1909.

It was the custom that, if a man and a woman were married as Husband and Wife, then the Husband had custody of the children and held the Wife’s right to contract in a domestic trust.<Ref>In law he may also have custody of his domestic servants.</Ref>

The common law also agrees with the natural law, for “at the common law the father had an almost absolute right to the custody of his children”.<Ref>Clark’s Summary of American Law, Domestic Relations and Persons Chapt.IV, Sec. 26.</Ref>

A child could be manumitted from this bond in ancient times by Novation,<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster’s Dictionary</Ref> Tutor, and Qurban.
: “So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:” ([[Ephesians 5]]: 28, 29)

When a daughter wished to marry, she would obtain her father’s permission and he, in turn, gave her in marriage. The son would also gain permission from his father if he wished to continue to take his father’s name as his own. If the husband and wife are wards of the state, then their children must obtain permission to marry from their parent’s master, unless they become adopted by a father who is not subject to the jurisdiction of their parent’s master. In this there is a great mystery.

Why do men of the United States Government think that “Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs, because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in”.<Ref>Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist said in 1983:</Ref>

Men like Daniel Webster believed that “All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible”. Then, “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering, but if we neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how soon a catastrophe may overcome us, and bury all our glory in profound obscurity”. Even Roosevelt said, “I hope that you have reread the Constitution of the United States. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again”.<Ref>Franklin Delano Roosevelt March 9,1937. Document of American History by Commager.</Ref>

Who is the father from whom permission should be obtained? By and under whose authority should a man and woman be joined together in the ceremony of Holy Matrimony?
“And what concord hath the Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleiveth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

: “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean (thing); and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (II Corinthian 6:15-18)

It is, more often than not, the remedy and will of the public magistrates<Ref>The New Testament word ''God'' is translated from the Greek word ''theos'' which figuratively means “a magistrate” or literally judge or ruling judge.</Ref> that husbands and wives under their jurisdiction divorce. It is the magistrate that decides the fate of the children in his custody, in contradistinction to the law of nature and the common law.

: “Jesus said, ...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Mark 10]]:5,9)

The implications of all this can seem to create confusion. We should see that neither a bride nor groom can obtain clear permission<Ref>That which bars those who have contracted will bar their successors also. Quod ipsis, qui contraxerunt, abstat; et successoribus eorum obstabit. Dig. 50.17.29.</Ref>to marry from a father who has assented to the same restrictive legal civil status that they are trying to avoid. And the state, by its very nature, cannot offer permission to the God-fearing couple to marry as a ''Natural Husband and Wife''. These problems can seem to compound as we discover that no minister or priest is available to conduct a purely ecclesiastical ceremony, which would exclude the state and its authoritarian and bureaucratic legal controls.

: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” ([[2 Corinthians 6]]:14)

Why should we give authority to the state over that which God has ordained? If we have faith in the Lord’s blessing and authority, why do we also ask for the government’s blessing and authority?

: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” ([[Romans 13]]:1)

This is probably one of the most frequently misused quotes from the King James Bible. The word “power” in the Greek is also translated “liberty” and “right”.<Ref> Strong’s No. 1849 exousia, exousia from 1832 (in the sense of ability); also translated right ([[Hebrews 13]]:10, [[Revelation 22]]:14) and liberty ([[1 Corinthians 8]]:9) and defined 1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases.</Ref>

In fact, the word ''exousia''<Ref>“The Greek Glossary of Aristotelian Terms” defines ''exousia'' as “right” specifically of the citizen from which all power to govern comes. See Aristotle’s Political Theory, First published Jul 1, 1998; substantive revision Jul 19, 2002. Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</Ref> is the strongest word in the Greek language for liberty, surpassing the Greek eleutheria in its declaration of individual liberty.<Ref>Bryn Mawr’s Classical Review states, “Enomaos maintained that we are absolutely masters of the most necessary things (52-53). Brancacci notices that the term used by Enomaos to refer to human freedom is not the typical Cynic one (eleutheria), but ''exousia'', which expresses ‘the new concept of freedom in opposition to the already defunct and unhelpful eleutheria’.”</Ref> If there is no power or liberty but of God and it is He that ordains the powers or rights of men, then when men grant their right of choice to other men they are rejecting God. Even Aristotle exemplifies the meaning of the word ''exousia'' as, “The right (exousia) to do anything one wishes...”.<Ref>Lawmakers and Ordinary People in Aristotle, by Paul Bullen (1996, VI. 4.1318b38-1319a4)</Ref>

If other men have our right to choose then we are not freemen under God, but under the authority of other men. Did God give us our rights so that we may give them away to others? What criteria does God use to establish the “higher powers”?

Are we subject to a higher power or are we making the state a higher power by applying for and obtaining a marriage license? If matrimony, through the Law of Nature and the Common Law of the Land, is the domain of God and our children are His gifts, then why would we turn our family and ourselves over to the civil authority of the State? Is that not like rendering unto Caesar the things that are God’s?

The Bible mentions the word “covenant” over 300 times. It tells us many stories of the binding of man to man and man to God. It is made clear that God requires the keeping of our agreements and compliance with our words.

Jesus has told us to let our yes be yes and our no be no (Matt 5:37). Does he want us to enter into covenants, even quasi-covenants, with those who do not follow the spirit of God and His Laws?

Why should we ask another for permission to do that which God has ordained?

: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” ([[Romans 8]]:14.)
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Does God want us to give custody of our children to the State? Does He want you to put your Husband and Wife relationship under the authority of a system that prefers and compels divorce as the most common solution to marital strife?

: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” ([[Romans 13]]:8)

If God has given us the Holy Relationship of Matrimony, He therefore has dominion and authority over that relationship. Why should we render unto the state a legal authority over that relationship which rightfully belongs to God? The state only requires you to get a license to become bound and protected by the State.

: “Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Mt 22:21; Mr 12:17 ; Lu 20:25)

If you are married in Florida, England, or Kuwait, you are considered married in Oregon and everywhere else in the world, so why is not the Kingdom of God acceptable? In fact, it is. An ecclesiastical marriage is a lawful marriage that offers no equitable or legal benefits, obligations, nor jurisdiction.

It would seem that in this life we may choose in many ways who we would have over us. Is the choice not ours? And what choice should we make? Who should be the ruling judge of our marriage?

: “Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.” ([[John 18]]:37)

If we have been joined together in the name of God and by His authority, then why must we call on any other name or authority?

* “Those who educate are more to be honored than those who bear the children. The latter give them only life; the former teach them the art of living.”<Ref>Carolyn Warner, former Superintendent of Public Instruction in Arizona</Ref>

Should you call upon another just to gain the financial and worldly benefits of a legal marriage?

: “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ([[Acts 2]]:21)

Should we turn over the custody of the children that the LORD God has given us to a civil authority that does not follow Christ?

: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” ([[Matthew 19]]:6).

Are there other ways that we are going under authorities of men by making covenants?

: “And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.” ([[2 Kings 17]]:15)

Have we returned to the bondage of Egypt and the covenants of Rome and the spirit of Babylon? And if we have entered into covenants with strange gods, can we return to the LORD God?

: “But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.” (Le 26:45)

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== Articles and Audio files ==

[[Permanency of marriage]]

This is a review, in love and hope, of a book, Permanency of Marriage, and the doctrine it creates and promotes.

In the “Introduction” it states, “I cannot tell you how the Holy Spirit will direct you. I only know it will always be consistent with the Word of God, but uniquely patterned for you.” But what does that mean? [[Permanency of marriage|Read more]]

'''Holy Matrimony vs Marriage''' 
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/cog1mvm.php '''Read Chapter 1'''] of the book [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]] 

[http://keysofthekingdom.info/COG-01.mp3 '''Listen to Part 1'''] '''Marriage v. Matrimony Part 1''' [2 hours]

2/15/2013 A discussion on the first chapter of book, [[COg|The Covenants of the gods]], titled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage. Husbands and wives are joined together in a binding agreement under the authority of a higher power, but what higher power? Holy matrimony is a covenant under the authority of God the Father; whereas marriage is a three party contract between the couple and the State who grants permission for the union. Brother Gregory examines the differences and similarities between legally and lawfully joining husband and wife, and the spiritual ramifications for each.

[http://www.hisholychurch.net/kkvv/cog02HolyMatrimony56.mp3 '''Listen to Part 2'''] '''Marriage v Matrimony Part 2'''

2/15/2013 A continuation of Brother Gregory's discussion on the first chapter of the book, The Covenants of the gods, tiled Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage.

'''The International Acceptance and Validity of Holy Matrimony'''

Is Holy Matrimony a Valid Union of a Man and a woman?

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/bklt/marriagevalid.pdf '''Printable 5" X 8 1/2" Pamphlets''']

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/bklt/marriagevalidst.pdf '''Standard 8 1/2"X 11" Print Friendly''']

'''Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage''' from the book "The Covenants of the gods"

What is the difference between Matrimony by the authority of God and Marriage as it is defined in a legal system?

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/bklt/matrimony.pdf '''Printable 5" X 8 1/2" Pamphlets'''.]

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/bklt/matrimonyst.pdf '''Standard 8 1/2"X 11" Print Friendly'''.]

====Man====
[[image:man.jpg|left]]'''Man''' ''2012-03-24''

'''Half hour Blogtalk''' 
http://hisholychurch.net/audio/20120331manBR.mp3

'''''LibertyRadioLive'' Man'''

Keys of the Kingdom 2 Hours 3/31/12 
http://www.keysofthekingdom.info/KOK-120331.mp3

More on the '''Sabbath Hour''' 
http://hisholychurch.net/audio/20120331manFR.mp3

====Woman====
[[image:woman.jpg|left]]'''What is Woman?''' ''2012-03-24''

'''Half hour Blogtalk''' 
http://hisholychurch.net/audio/20120324womanBR.mp3

'''''LibertyRadioLive'' Woman'''

Keys of the Kingdom 2 Hours 3/24/12 
'''Synopsis of recording''' 
The first half hour
** The Challenge of Change
** When Shift Happens
** Universal Blackout 
** Overthrowing the Law Modern Geology 
** The Idolatry of the Eschatology of Men 
** The Betrayal of the Offices of Power 
** The Salvation of Service 
2nd Half Hour 
** The Booming topic of Woman
2nd Hour 
** AAA Networking and real charity 
** Back to the topic of Woman 
** The marriage bed 
3rd Half Hour 
** The Salvation of a Successful Societies 
** Blessed are the Baron? 
** Cherishing the Virtuous Woman 
Where is our Bozra, our Fortress? Is it the Family? 
http://www.keysofthekingdom.info/KOK-120324.mp3
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More Woman on the '''Sabbath Hour''' 
http://hisholychurch.net/audio/20120324womanFR.mp3

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Weightier matters

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[[File:Pharisees.jpg|right|thumb|The [[Pharisees]] were caught up in rituals and [[False religion]]. They had supported [[Herod]]'s system of [[Welfare|welfare]] and altered the nature of [[Corban]] in Judea making the word of God to none effect. [[Modern Christians]] have done the same by looking to the [[Benefactors]] who exercise authority as their ''[[Fathers]] of the earth''.]]

I have asked hundreds of people and pastors all across America "What did Jesus list as the "weightier matters"?

No one could list them off based on their reading or study of the scriptures. You would think that every minister would take a special note concerning instructions from the mouth of Christ listing what he considered to be the "more important matters".

The "scribes and Pharisees" were condemned as hypocrites because they omitted these but the Modern Church seems to not know them and certainly fails to attend to them.

: [[Matthew 23]]:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and [[Pharisees]], hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the '''weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:''' these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

The ''rejection'' of God by the [[voice]] of the people who elected to have a ruler who could exercise authority which we see in [[1 Samuel 8]] was the result of the people not wanting to take the time and energy to attend to those weightier matters. They wanted a ruler to do it for them and so they elected Saul just like people did with Nimrod and Cain.

Does the Church you go to attend to the "weightier matters"?

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== What do the translations say? ==

New International Version 
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the '''more important matters''' of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

New Living Translation 
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the '''more important aspects''' of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

English Standard Version 
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected '''the weightier matters''' of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

New American Standard Bible 
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the '''weightier provisions''' of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

King James Bible 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the '''weightier matters''' of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Holman Christian Standard Bible 
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You pay a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you have neglected the '''more important matters''' of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. These things should have been done without neglecting the others.

International Standard Version 
"How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the '''more important matters''' of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others.

NET Bible 
"Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You give a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you neglect '''what is more important''' in the law--justice, mercy, and faithfulness! You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English 
Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, imposters! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin and you forsake '''the weighty things''' of the law: Justice, mercy and faith! It is necessary for you to do these things and you should not forsake them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation 
"How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give [God] one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are '''the most important things''' in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

Jubilee Bible 2000 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin and have omitted that which is '''more important''' of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith; these were expedient for ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

King James 2000 Bible 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted '''the weightier matters''' of the law, justice, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

American King James Version 
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted '''the weightier matters''' of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

American Standard Version 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone '''the weightier matters''' of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.

Douay-Rheims Bible 
Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left '''the weightier things''' of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone.

Darby Bible Translation 
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin, and ye have left aside '''the weightier matters''' of the law, judgment and mercy and faith: these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside.

English Revised Version 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone '''the weightier matters''' of the law, judgment, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.

Webster's Bible Translation 
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint, and anise, and cummin, and have omitted '''the weightier matters''' of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ye ought to have done, and not to leave the others undone.

Weymouth New Testament 
"Alas for you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you pay the tithe on mint, dill, and cumin, while you have neglected '''the weightier requirements''' of the Law--just judgement, mercy, and faithful dealing. These things you ought to have done, and yet you ought not to have left the others undone.

World English Bible 
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone '''the weightier matters''' of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.

Young's Literal Translation 
Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye give tithe of the mint, and the dill, and the cumin, and did neglect '''the weightier things''' of the Law -- the judgment, and the kindness, and the faith; these it behoved you to do, and those not to neglect.
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Fathers

2017-07-04T23:54:49Z

Jeff: /* Other articles */

{{#ev:youtube|H3Az0okaHig|300|right|The devil would tell you to pray to the Fathers of the earth ~3 min}}

===Call No Man Father===

*What was Christ trying to tell us about calling men "father upon the earth"?
*What would the crowd standing there think Jesus was talking about when he made that statement to them?
*Were the ''[[http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/fatherabba.php|fathers of the earth]]'' also the men who called themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercised authority one over the other?

===Did You Know?===

<blockquote>'' “Pursuant to the [[Pater_Patriae|parens patriae]] doctrine, ‘the primary control and custody of infants is with the government...’ ”<Ref>Ex parte Wright, 225 Ala. 220, 222, 142 So. 672, 674 (1932). See also Fletcher v. Preston, 226 Ala. 665, 148 So. 137 (1933); and Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. 87 (1860).</Ref>''</blockquote>

In other words, the state is the father and mother of the child and the natural parents are not entitled to custody, except upon the state’s beneficence…<Ref>Chandler v. Whatley, 238 Ala. 206, 208, 189 So. 751, 753 (1939) (quoting Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. at 89)</Ref>

How does the state acquire the power of the natural father?

[[File:Patronus.jpg|right|550px|thumb|Emperor '''Titus''' Flāvius Caesar Vespasiānus Augustus son of Emperor Titus Flāvius Caesar '''Vespasiānus''' Augustus, who founded the Flavian dynasty were the '''Men called father upon the earth''' called the [[Patronus]].]]

== Call No Man Your Father ==

<blockquote>'' "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)''</blockquote>

Have we not all one father?

No one is more sovereign than the Creator of Mankind. How does God the Father appoint the ruling powers over men so that they may exercise authority?

To understand the present it is often required to look into the past. Man was not given dominion over other men by God. Men cannot acquire righteous dominion by force. Yet, by consent we may give ourselves into subjection.

Is verbal [[consent]] the only way we may be subjected to exercising authority? If we take from or damage others we may incur an obligation to make amends. If we refuse to pay for what we have damaged or taken it is reasonable to compel recompense.

Besides these two reasonable ways of creating a subjecting authority over our person there is still another system clearly sanctioned and even promoted by God the Father in Heaven.

<blockquote>'' "Have we not all one father? Hath not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?" (Malachi 2:10)''</blockquote>

The ''ana ittishu'' was the ancient equivalent of the modern words and phrases, expressing the Law and part of an ancient code preserving the Sumerian Family Laws. Not only is the first government based on the family and ordained by God but all government is based on the precepts of what a family is or should be according to these Laws.

<blockquote>'' “The family is also the first government in the life of the child, with the father as the God-ordained head of the household and his government under God as the child’s basic government.”<Ref>Law & Liberty by Rushdoony Pg. 78-80 </Ref>''</blockquote>

In the great domestic relationship of Husband and Wife, the [[Natural Law]] and its Creator provide a Father and Mother to have and to hold dominion and custody of their children and heirs. The family was God’s sanctioned government.

In the law of the Latins, the word ''potestas'' signifies generally a power or authority by which we do anything. ''Patria Potestas'' signifies the authority which a father had over the persons of his children, grandchildren, and other descendants. There was an almost absolute power over the children by the Father as there also is at Common Law. This was not based on ownership as a slave but as a member of the ''Familia'' in which the status of the Father would effect the status of the son. An act by which the ''patria'' potestas was terminated is called ''emancipatio'' or ''emancipation''.

== Pater Familias ==

The family was and is a political unit. Within the manu<Ref>"In mea manu" means "in my hand." The Family and all it owned was a free unite or entity under God. </Ref> of the family neither the Wife nor the Husband could sue each other for they are counted as one person, one body.

<blockquote>'' "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Genesis 2:24)''</blockquote>

The child is bound within the ''manu'' of the family. The ''manus'' is a Latin word for the power of the pater ''familias'' over his wife and his sons’ wives. Even in its prior history ''manu'' as a Sanskrit word meant the primordial Father of the human race and sovereign of the earth. These concepts fundamentally reach into the antiquity of man’s history and are only supplanted by the twisted thoughts of an usurping substitute for God’s plan.

Some might think it oppressive that a patriarch would have such power and authority within his given family, but is it any more desirable to be oppressed by tribal or national groups? Governments that eat out the substance of men in peace and march millions of minions to murderous deaths in war cannot be a superior or benevolent master to that of our natural parents.

God dispersed dominion among the fathers of mankind. Even with Jesus he established no office of father to rule man en masse. A child is within that power until the Father releases him or is released from life itself. There is no right of usurpation by any.

<blockquote>'' "The child is incapable, in his private rights, of any power or dominion; in every other respect he is capable of legal rights."<Ref>Savigny, System, &c. ii.52.</Ref>''</blockquote>

The child has a capacity for acquiring legal rights. He could acquire by contract, for instance; but everything that he acquires, is acquired for his father. Without emancipation the child was not free of his father’s power and was also not ''sui juris''.

In Latin the words are from ''sui'' meaning ''of one's own'' and ''juris'', the genitive of ''jus'', meaning ''right or law''. ''Sui Juris'' is one who is capable of managing one's own affairs. Only the patriarch of a family is ''sui juris''. The first civil governments based their civil powers on the law of the family. The individual citizen would be able to acquire legal rights by contract but would not be ''sui juris''.

== Vicarious Pater ==

In Roman Law Caesar's rights to authority or dominion over subject citizenry as emperor stemmed from his position as the "vicarious pater" or substitute father (see also ''parties consritpi'', the ''conscripted fathers''). The Emperor as father of the country was one of the few men who was ''sui juris'' as that system devolved into its centralized imperial position.

The authority of the ''imperium'' of Rome was at least twofold. Originally it (''serum'') was only outside the wall or jurisdiction and conferred by a ''lex curiata'' and came from the power of the sword to turn the life of wicked men<Ref>"gladii potestatem ad anim advertendum in facinorosos homines men,"</Ref>

This is the military or police power of each man. ''Imperium'' within the walls (''mixtum'') was incident to jurisdiction (''jurisdictio'') established by application, contract and ''nexus''. In time they both merged.

The office of ''imperium'' was vested by the people in the ''Imperator'', which means ''commander in chief''. As this office expanded during civil conflicts and fear, it merged with the office of ''Apotheos'', which was literally the appointor of [[gods]]. These gods were simply the ''magistratus'' or ''judex imperium''. They were court judges and those administering the courts throughout the ordered world of the ''Pax Romana''. The same is true of government today.

In that [[world]] at the time of the Roman Empire, as in America today, there was a dual system of citizenship [see Citizen vs. Citizen]. Many men sought and seek emancipation from the rule of the ''imperium'' but were and are thwarted by a failure to understand the universal authority of the "vicarious pater". The modern civil powers are no different. In Roman and American history the family decayed and with it a dissipation of freedom.

The lawful effect of emancipation was to make the emancipated person become ''sui juris''. Within God’s construction of the family, Husband and Wife were one and they held the ''imperium''. This right and responsibility was too sacred to be ''manumitted'' with casual abandonment. A legal process was devised involving a ''patron'' or ''civil patronus'', a nation’s Father. Cain, Nimrod, and Caesar wished to be free of God’s family plan or control it for themselves.

<blockquote>'' "The patria potestas could not be dissolved immediately by manumissio (manumission), because the patria potestas must be viewed as an imperium, and not as a right of property like the power of a master over his slave.”<Ref>Unterholzner, Zeitschrift, vol. ii p. 139; Von den formen der Manumissio per Vindictam und der Emancipatio.</Ref>''</blockquote>

Confirmation of this ''manumission'' required a ''patron'' and was clothed in a form of a ''mancipatio'' (the release of the child) by pledging the son or daughter in three separate events. An analogous relation was formed between the ''patron'' and potentially freed individual, creating a ''nexus''.

Rome was heavily populated with domestic servants and slaves. The ''imperium'' of Rome began granting greater and greater protections, privilege and gratuities. This act of ''manumission'' established the relation called ''patronus''. This ''Patronus'' created a relation between ''manumissor'' and slave, which was also comparable to father and son. The ''patron'' of these ''manumissions'' of both sons and slaves was consolidated in the new world order of Rome.

== The Real Destroyers ==

These two overlapping processes brought about a vast consolidation of power, wealth and control. By the law of the Twelve Tables of Rome, which were the constitutional foundation of their government, if a freedman died intestate, without ''sui heredes'', the ''patronus'' was the heir. This meant the property would go back to the Father or civil substitute father if they died with out an heir. This right was viewed as a right of ''Agnation''<Ref>Consanguinity by a line of males only, as distinguished from cognation. --Bouvier. cognation. Relationship by blood; descent from the same original; kindred. (Law) That tie of consanguinity which exists between persons descended from the same mother; </Ref> which created an ever increasing corporation sole of power and possession within the unholy Roman empire.

<blockquote>'' "When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat." (Proverbs 23:1, 3)''</blockquote>

The ''manumitted'' slave was cleverly called ''Libertus'' and he owed more than respect and gratitude to his ''patron''. The ''patron'' might punish him with a summary judgment for neglecting his duties. He appeared to be free but was in fact a subject citizen under his substitute father.

<blockquote>'' "'''The real destroyers''' of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." –Plutarch.''</blockquote>

During the process of ''manumission'' of a son or daughter the ''patron'' could gain a sovereign position of influence and power and even become the heir to the corporeal and incorporeal hereditaments of the son or daughter being ''manumitted''.

<blockquote>'' '''"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage."''' (2 Peter 2:19)''</blockquote>

If an individual being ''emancipated'' required a ''tutor'' or ''curator'', the rights which would have belonged to the father, if he had not emancipated the child, were secured to the ''patron'' as a kind of ''patronal'' right and the status of ''sui juris'' is not completed. It was upon these precepts of law that the [[Emperator]]/[[Apotheos]] of [[Rome]] forged its greatest power over the people.

<blockquote>'' "And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:" (Romans 11:9)''</blockquote>

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''"If we want better people to make a better world, then we will have to begin where people are made --- in the family."''<Ref>Braud's 2nd Enc. by J.M Braud.</Ref></center>

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== Roman Emancipation ==

The Emperor Augustus introduced the practice of effecting ''emancipation''<Ref>In Roman law the potestas was the power or authority by which anything is done. Patria Potestas signifies the authority which a father had over members of the natural Familia where the status of the Father would effect the status of the members. An act by which the patria potestas was terminated is called emancipatio or ''emancipation''.
</Ref> by a ''rescript'', when the parties were not present<Ref>Cod. 8 tit.49 s5</Ref>. Justinian enacted that the ''emancipation'' could be effected before a magistrate. But Justinian carried the process a step further.

It was even a part of Roman Law that a woman could do nothing ''sine auctore'', that is without a ''tutor'' to give to her acts a complete legal character.<Ref>Liv. xxxiv.2 , the speech of Cato for the Lex Oppia.</Ref>

Eventually women were ''emancipated'' from the coverture of their families into the coverture of the Imperium State. Today, the ''emancipation'' of women has removed them from the homes where all their labor went to the benefit of the family into a world where 40 to 50 percent of their labor is now directly removed from their family by the State for its own filtered purposes.

The Romans and many other civilizations that came before and after them knew that the law of the family was so important that it could not be terminated lightly. The matter was so serious and fundamental and knowlegable Fathers always stipulated for a ''remancipation'' from the ''patron'' called a ''pactum fiduciae'', an agreement of trust.

''Emancipation'' from one’s natural father into the hands of the state or substitute father is often analogous to jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Like the prodigal son the individual finds that they are eventually worse off than they had been before.

== Accept NO Substitute ==

The substituting of God’s plan and family for the plans and will of men corrupts the natural benefits of the family structure and seduces the individual into an unnatural state or status.

Those who are observant see an increase in the infringement and even termination of parental rights by modern courts. Where do modern courts obtain power to rule over the family? God gives children to their parents. Who has more primal right than those who gave the child life? Children take their first step of ''emancipation'' from the ''manu'' of their families, and ''protestas'' of their Father with the ''novation''<Ref>Novation “the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster's Dictionary</Ref> of the state birth certification.

<blockquote>'' "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." (Exodus 20:12)''</blockquote>

The word honour above is from the Hebrew דבכ or kabad.

The first time the word is used in the Bible was in reference to Abraham and is translated 'rich'. Abram had already expatriated from his Father Terah who was ruling in the city state called Haran.

<blockquote>'' "And Abram [was] very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold." (Genesis 13:2)''</blockquote>

We often imagine that this word honour refers to merely turning off the TV, going to bed on time or taking out the garbage. What is this obligation to care for our parents and the family?

<blockquote>'' "Excise (tribute), in its origin, is the patrimonial right of emperors and kings." <Ref>Vectigal, origina ipsa, jus Cæsarum et regum patrimoniale est.</Ref>''</blockquote>

Tribute is:

<blockquote>'' "A sum of money paid by an inferior sovereign or state to a superior potentate, to secure the friendship or protection of the latter.” <Ref>Brande. Black's 3rd Ed. p. 1757. </Ref>''</blockquote>

The subject of "Patronus" is a vast and interesting subject as a contributing source to understanding the origins of tithes and taxes. ''"Patronus, Roman civil law. This word is a modification of the Latin word pater, father; a denomination applied by Romulus to the first, senators of Rome, and which they always afterwards bore. Romulus at first appointed a hundred of them".''<Ref>PATRONUS: Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition</Ref>The principles of ''Patronus'' are still quoted in countless cases involving everything from trusts to postliminy. But it is best dealt with in another place. It is only important to mention here because it is the principle and origin upon which a proper and comprehensive subjective citizenship is based.

== The Benefit of Life ==

Since, a natural father gives the benefit of life to his child when the child is in the womb, so also it is important in the scheme of the system of things that the substitute father grants benefits to the individual while he is still in the womb.

<blockquote>'' "He who is in the womb is considered as born, whenever his benefit is concerned.<Ref>"Qui in utero est, pro jam nato habetur questice de ejus commando quæritur</Ref>''</blockquote>

The Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act was "for the promotion, the welfare and hygiene of maternity and infancy and for other purposes," The Senate passed it with a vote of 63 to 7, and by the House with a vote of 279 to 39, and was finally signed by the president and became law on Nov. 23, 1921. The act provided for the current fiscal year (1922) $10,000 for each state accepting the provisions of the act, and the additional sum of $1,000,000.

The bill was a direct outgrowth of a nine year study made by the "Federal Children's Bureau." Note: the Bureau was not the federal bureau for children but the bureau of the federal children. This act and the acceptance of its benefits by the states created the "United States birth registration area."<Ref>Public Law 97, 67th Congress, Session I, Chap. 135, 1921. The United States expanding birth registration area, in 1915 it comprised 10 States and the District of Columbia; in 1933 the entire continental United States. Economic Security Act page 366. http://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/s35lenroot.pdf</Ref>

Why does the United States need to register your birth? Because the United States acts as Rome. It sits in the usurped position of your Father and demands your faithful obedience.

Did the federal government have the right to impose such legislation on the States? In 1923, it was argued by Mr. Alexander Lincoln, Assistant Attorney General of Massachusetts, ''"The act is unconstitutional. It purports to vest in agencies of the Federal Government powers which are almost wholly undefined, in matters relating to maternity and infancy, and to authorize appropriations of federal funds for the purposes of the act."''

The complaint went on to state that, ''"The act is invalid because it assumes powers not granted to Congress and usurps the local police power...The act is not made valid by the circumstance that federal powers are to be exercised only with respect to those States which accept the act, for Congress cannot assume, and state legislatures cannot yield, the powers reserved to the States by the Constitution. The act is invalid because it imposes on each State an illegal option either to yield a part of its powers reserved by the Tenth Amendment or to give up its share of appropriations under the act."''<Ref>Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury, et al.; Frothingham v. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury et.al.. 262 U.S. 447, 67 L.Ed. 1078, 43 S. Ct. 597</Ref>

In the final analysis the Act was an offer from one corporate entity to others for the purpose of providing an avenue for the individual citizen of America to register as a subject of the State and therefore a citizen of the Federal corporate State, the superior sovereign agent, called the United States. The federal government would assume the position of ''Patron'' as the natural fathers ''emancipate'' their children from God’s institution, the family, into the hands of man made institutions and the substitute father.

== The Substitute Father ==

The ''vicarious patri'' or ''substitute father'' becomes the ''patronus'' of the infant citizen according to the law of [[Pater_Patriae|Parens Patriae]], Obey the Father. Even the United States Codes verify this parental relationship using the Latin in their own US codes.<Ref>See USC TITLE 15, Sec. 15h. Applicability of [[Pater_Patriae|Parens Patriae]] actions: STATUTE- Sections 15c, 15d, 15e, 15f, and 15g of this title shall apply in any State, unless such State provides by law for its non-applicability in such State.</Ref>

Once you are registered as a child of the State there are many benefits and paths open to you. The state stands in the position of ''patron'' and supplies both ''tutor'' and ''curator'' for the child. The ''patron'' never entirely releases the child to the status of ''sui juris'' as long as they depend upon the gracious benefits of the State.

Without the exercise of rugged individualism that comes from an independent self reliant family the people are brought down to a weakened state of apathy and self indulgence.

<blockquote>'' "Society in every state is a blessing, but a government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." –Thomas Paine.''</blockquote>

Rome had a vast system of welfare. Those who registered with Rome and its increasing socialist state were eligible for [[Bread_and_circuses|free bread]]. Rome imported 500,000,000 bushels of this grain each year from Egypt alone. There was a great deal of free entertainment provided and a general promise of social security to those who chose to be a part of the offered system of [[Corban]].<Ref>The Sin of Corban Http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/9corban.php </Ref> The United States government is simply carrying on the Roman tradition and custom when it began birth registration to care for its children.

The parents have likely already asked permission of the government to marry subjecting the products of the marriage to the state.<Ref>Holy Matrimony vs. Marriage http://www.hisholychurch.orgt/pdfiles/matrimony/index.html</Ref> They have likely sold their labor to obtain a personal social security. Parents enter the hospital signing and granting permission to that corporate entity and its licensed officers the right to determine the best interest of the child and to register the child with its ''patron''.<Ref>Employ vs. Enslave </Ref>

<blockquote>'' "(2) Birth Registration Document. The Social Security Administration (SSA) may enter into an agreement with officials of a State... to establish, as part of the official birth registration process, a procedure to assist SSA in assigning social security numbers to newborn children. Where an agreement is in effect, a parent, as part of the official birth registration process, need not complete a Form SS-5 and may request that SSA assign a social security number to the newborn child.<Ref>20 C.F.R., section 422.103</Ref>''</blockquote>

The birth certificate was a clear granting of gifts, gratuities and benefits, by government, to a child while it was still in the womb of his natural mother. All the children who were certified by the signature and seal of a natural parent, or a professional doctor and the representing county and state were eligible for further federal and state benefits as a federal child of the state.

The Hospital is incorporated by the State and operated by persons with Federal Employee Identification Numbers.<Ref>The Charagma vs. The Card http://www.hisholychurch.net/study/gods/chvca.htm

A detailed study of the Mark of the Beast: http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/mark2.html </Ref>

The Doctors and Nurses are all licensed Professionals and acting as agents. The parents bring their unborn child to the corporate altar, which then through their agents signs the child over to the state. Generation after generation born in subject status with the sole purpose of feeding and energizing the body of the State.

== Call No Man On Earth ==

This threefold process of abdication through ''Novation''<Ref>“the remodeling of an old obligation.” Webster's Dictionary</Ref>, ''Tutor''<Ref>tutor -ari, dep.: also tuto -are: to protect, watch, keep. guard against. </Ref> and ''Korban''<Ref>Bringing closer to the originator or father, even a substitute father.</Ref>. By the natural fathers and patriarchs of each household bound the sons and daughters into the power of the ''Patronus'' of the State.

Nothing will stir the angry ardor and abhorrence of those in the system more than rejection of benefits and offers or non compliance with the state of affairs or affairs of the State. To say in a pristine and orderly hospital, ''"I am the Father and I have taken responsibility for this Child"'', can stir a great wrath from many within those sacred chambers and send waves of stirring reality rippling through those hollowed halls.

The Latin word ''pater'' means ''father''. As we have seen the word was used as a title of the Emperor and before him the pro council was referred to as the father of the senate and therefore the Empire. ''Pater'' or ''patri'' was also an address in reference to the Senators of Rome. The Roman's developed an elected congress to introduce the proposed bills for the enfranchised citizenry who were subject to the statutes of men. This congress was called ''patres consritpi'', the conscripted fathers [see Citizen vs. Citizen].

We can assume that the people of the Roman Empire when they heard the word ''pater'' thought of one of several ideas. Either they were talking about their genetic father and their Creator Father in heaven, or their substitute fathers in Rome.

Jesus said, ''“And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:9)''

To make such a statement was a shock to those who thought man's governments and the Roman political and judicial system, with its peace and commerce, was good for society and the business of men. This would be like saying call no man on earth president or senator or congressman.

In that Greek text of Matthew we find the word ''Pater''<Ref>(pathr) Strong's No. 3962 pater {pat-ayr'} 1) generator or male ancestor2) metaph.2a) the originator and transmitter of anything; the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself; one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds 2b) one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way ...Bible and Concordance. W.B. F..</Ref> meaning ''father'' in the Latin. When Jesus said his kingdom was not of this [[world]] he did not use the Greek word for earth or planet or inhabited places or age that are also translated into [[world]]. The word [[world]] there is ''kosmos''<Ref>Strong's No. 2889 kosmos {kos'-mos} probably from the base of 2865; n m AV - world (186) - adorning (1) [187] 1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government.... , Woodside B. F. 1991.</Ref> meaning ''"a harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government”''.<Ref>My kingdom is not of this world http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/world.php </Ref>

This was a jurisdictional statement. To call no man father was a jurisdictional statement. To be baptized was a jurisdictional event of allegiance. To worship is an act of homage to a lord or King. Jesus did not preach the '''religion''' of heaven but the '''kingdom'''.

== Entering the Treasury ==

It had always been an option for the people to apply to the State for an enfranchised citizenship. Marcus Aurelius wanted no child to be left behind. He required by law that everyone must register the birth of their children with the Secretary of Treasury or Provincial Registrars within 30 days.

The Christians could not. Such registration would be an application to the Father of the Roman State and would be turning from Christ’s command. The State became the ''“In Loco Parentis”'' which in the Latin, means ''“in the place of a parent”'' which is a turning away from the Natural Family instituted by God.

When Christians had needs they went to Christians, to their charitable [[altars]] tended by Stephen, Philip and Prochorus,<Ref>Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch.</Ref> not the altars of [[Rome]]. They knew the Lord hated the Nicolatians and would not apply to the Father of Rome nor its systems of Qurban. The benefits of that gentile government were the result of the peoples sacrifice to the gods of the Roman State, the ''Apo Theos'' of Rome. Christians would not apply to that Father and god.

In Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, he praised ''“the union and discipline of the Christian republic.”'' He also pointed out that ''“it gradually formed an independent and increasing state in the heart of the Roman Empire.”''<Ref>Rousseau and Revolution, Durant p.801. fn 83 Heiseler, 85.</Ref>

The early Christian community was a republic that was recognized by Rome through the proclamation nailed to the cross by order of the Proconsul of Rome, Pontius Pilate.

People have applied to the world of the image of Rome. Should they call men of that world their father? Not according to Jesus and the Bible.

<blockquote>'' "The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.... But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant ... as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Have we not all one father?..." (Malachi 2:6, 10)''</blockquote>

Those who have made covenants and contracts under penalty of perjury with the image of Rome and made the beast their ''substitute father'', [[Gods|god]] and [[Benefactors|benefactor]] still may be saved by faith.

<blockquote>'' "Love not the [[World|world]], neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1 John 2:15 16)''</blockquote>

We must seek the kingdom of heaven first. It is found first within our souls and hearts as we apply to the Father in Heaven according to His plan of faith, hope, charity and love.

<blockquote>'' "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12)''</blockquote>

It is God’s wish that His servants proclaim liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof... and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.<Ref>Leviticus 25:10</Ref>

<blockquote>'' "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." (Romans 8:14,15)''</blockquote>

== Repatriation ==

<blockquote>'' "And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:15-19)''</blockquote>

This is the prayer that we must all pray if we seek the liberty of Christ but to be a true Christian, a follower of Christ we must do more.

<blockquote>'' "And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry." (Luke 15:20-24)''</blockquote>

While the son was accepted back through the grace of his father without doing any work for his father it was not until he rose up and humbly began the journey back with the purpose serve in his fathers house that his Father came out to meet him with that grace.

You to must rise up and seek to serve in your Father's house this is why Christ began the gospel with [[Repent]] and seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

If the next morning the son was lazy and failed to get up and do right within his father's house we would soon know that his repentance was false and his father would cast him out.

[[Repent]] and Rise up and return to your Father's house and His emancipation from the fathers of the earth will come upon you.

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Who is your Father? 
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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the king of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Father's will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

== Saved Believers ==

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the king of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Father's will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

== Saved Believers ==

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the king of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Father's will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

== Saved Believers ==

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
</Ref>

* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the king of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
</Ref>

So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Father's will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

== Saved Believers ==

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the king of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Fahters will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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Jeff: /* Saved Believers */

[[Image:savedhomer-1889.jpg|300px|left|thumb|Winslow Homer's Saved]]

== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the kin of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
</Ref>

So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Fahters will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

How do we know we believe or anything if we depend upon our minds?

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== How are we Saved ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]
Are we saved by faith or by works?

We are saved by grace as a result of our faith.

* Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It is through faith you are saved. It is by God's ''grace'' which is a form of charity. The Greek word for grace is ''charis'' from which we get the word charity.<Ref> 5485 ~χάρις~ charis \@khar’-ece\@ n f AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156 1) grace 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward</Ref>

God is judge.

How do we know our ''faith'' is real?

How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?

We must see evidence of that faith in the form of fruits. Those fruits should reflect the doctrines of Jesus too.

Jesus was going to take the kingdom from the Pharisees and give it to another because they were not bearing fruit.<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref>

Jesus continues to explain that fruits are important because they are evidence of your faith and that it is real and not merely a product of your imagination and pride.<Ref>John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.</Ref>

: Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

: John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

: Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Even healing people depended upon their faith which is not really just what you think but a compatibility of yourself with the spirit and virtue of Christ.

* Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
* Luke 8:46... 48 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me... And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
* Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWord2nwv.php Faith] may not be what you think. It is a conviction that compels you to act.
[[Image:savedhomer-1889c.jpg|350px|right|thumb|Works are the fruit and confirmation of faith! Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?]]

Works are the fruit of faith. The fruit of your faith is how you shall know the if your faith is true. No fruits or the wrong fruit and you know your faith is false and you are in need of repentance.

* Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

* Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So the idea that because we say works are essential has nothing to do with suggesting that we are saved by our own works or that we earn or are owed salvation by our works. Jesus was clear over and over that being a [[Doer|doer]] is not just a suggestion.

The reason he took the kingdom from the Pharisees was because their Corban was making the word of God to none effect and therefore their works were not bearing fruit.

* Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Paul was right that we do not earn salvation but considering his warnings about staying away fro those who show the works of evil is clear.<Ref>: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
: Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
: Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for '''even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature''':
27 And likewise also the '''men, leaving the natural use of the woman''', '''burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly''', and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 '''Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:'''
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the '''judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things'''.
3 And '''thinkest''' thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that '''thou shalt escape the judgment of God?'''
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

: 2 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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* Romans 3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

But that brings us back to the question, "what is [[Faith]]?"

Two hundred years ago the English word "faith" was defined as “Probity; good faith is the very soul of contracts. Faith also signifies confidence, belief; as, full faith and credit ought to be given to the acts of a magistrate while acting within his jurisdiction. Vide Bona fide.” So we see that faith is defined as probity. Probity was defined as “Justice, honesty. A man of probity is one who loves justice and honesty, and who dislikes the contrary.”

Real faith controls what you do in matters of justice and honor compelling virtue.

This is why James gives us the warnings about thinking we are faithful.

* James 2:14-17 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

He goes on and makes this abundantly clear...

* James 2:18-20 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

* James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Real faith changes us. It is life that brings us to the ways of Christ...

* Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

* Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

* Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

* Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

* Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

* Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

== How do we know we are saved ==

One common verse tells us that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"<Ref>1 John 5:1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.</Ref> But that one verse does not tell us if we are saved but only those who truly believeth that [[Jesus]] is the [[Christ]]. The Christ was the ''anointed'', the highest son of David the kin of the [[Kingdom of God]] at hand.

Jesus as the Christ and king was telling his disciples and us how we were to act and behave while seeking His kingdom and the righteousness of God. If we truly believe in Jesus as the Christ we will keep his commandments.<Ref>Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
: Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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So to answer the question above "How do we know we believe in the real Jesus with real faith in Him?"

We simply have to ask are we keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Are we truly seeking, striving and persevering to follow his teachings or [[Doctrines of Jesus|doctrines]]?

It is clear by His own teachings that you can hear and recognize the truth of His words and still have those words removed or misunderstood in our hearts.

: Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are warned not to be deceived into thinking that we do not have to be righteous or do righteously in our lives. It is therefore clearly seen that if we are sinning we are not of Christ. If our policy in this life is a sin or given to sin then we are not of Christ nor do we truly believe in Him.

: 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

If we are truly Born again of God then we should not see sin and if we see sin that is evidence that we do not yet believe in spirit and truth and have need of repentance.

: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

Whoever truly loves Christ Jesus would also love his brother and would not commit acts of unrighteousness against him or His brethren. We know by Christ's own words that what we do to the ''least of His brethren'' you do also to Christ, so if you love Christ you will love your His brethren and if you love not His brethren then you love not Christ.<Ref>Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.</Ref> So by your love or lack of love you will have evidence if you are saved not saved.

Some say there are two ways to know if you are saved.

: 1. '''We have placed our hopes for heaven entirely on Jesus''' according some doctrines quoting John where he says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have [[Eternal_life|eternal life]], and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." [[1 John 5]]:13

: 2. '''You have a new nature.''' Saying that it is your life that best reflects your love for God. But what is that nature and what is the evidence of that nature so that we may know we are seeking true righteousness and doing the Fahters will?

To say our hope is "entirely" resting on Jesus is a value judgment of the mind.

We know we should love the Lord ''with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind''.<Ref>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
: Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.</Ref>

But do we know all our own mind?
Men are not always in their ''right [[Mind]]''?<Ref>Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
: Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.</Ref>

If we are proud or vain we may not be saved in our right minds but only in our imagination saved.

: Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

Here we see the Greek word ''dianoia'' normally translated ''mind'' translated ''imagination''<Ref> 1271 ~διάνοια~ dianoia \@dee-an’-oy-ah\@ from 1223 and 3563; n f AV-mind 9, understanding 3, imagination 1; 13 1) the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring 2) understanding 3) mind, i.e. spirit, way of thinking and feeling 4) thoughts, either good or bad </Ref>

This word [[Mind|mind]] is also translated from the Greek ''nous''<Ref>3563 ~νοῦς~ nous \@nooce\@ probably from the base of 1097; n m AV-mind 21, understanding 3; 24 1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining 1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding 1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil 1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires</Ref>

Depending on the mind to know if you are saved is like eating of the tree of knowledge to guide your walk with God.

Being saved is just returning to that which we were meant to be.

God is spirit and made us in His image.

In the beginning there was spirit which shaped all for life.<Ref>Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</Ref> It moved upon the waters and Man is mostly water.

God gave us the breath of His life <Ref>Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.</Ref>

All life and law come from the Spirit. Until the Spirit is saved the body and the soul cannot be saved.

Can I tell you that I am saved?

Do I have the right to make that judgement?

Do I have the ability to make that mental perception with something as fragile as my [[Mind]]?

It is written that we do not know what ''God hath prepared for them that love him''. But God reveals unto us by his Spirit... For what man knoweth except by spirit? For salvation is of God and no man knoweth the things of God except Gods Spirit.<Ref>1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.</Ref>

We may seek to serve and in the hope of His purging so that His sacrifice be not void in us. Our hope is that His spirit gathers in us that we ''may be saved''.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.</Ref>

We should not glory in the thought of our salvation for our own pride may leaven our walk.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?</Ref>

We must allow ourselves to be purged of the leaven of pride.<Ref>1 Corinthians 5:7 ¶ Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.</Ref>

Christ did very little testimony of himself but let his works testify of him.<Ref>
John 10:25 ... the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.</Ref>

So why do we need to say we are saved?

Say rather I seek salvation for that is His first command seek the doing of righteousness in service one to another.
Are we saved by the testimony of our own mouths?

We should be careful ''not to err''is a ''gift'' from ''above'' ''from the Father of lights''. It is by ''His own will'' that we be his creation. We should ''be swift to hear'' and ''slow to wrath'' for that we ''not be the righteousness of God''. So we should be setting aside ''all filthiness and naughtiness'' so that we ''may receive'' with ''meekness'' that which is ''able to save your souls''. We are told to be ''doers of the word'' for if not we are ''deceiving our own selves''. For if any be a forgetful hearer and not a doer of the work he shall not be blessed. And if not blessed then not saved.<Ref>James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.</Ref>

While we seek salvation and its blessings we know we error and seek to be converted and even perfected in the truth.<Ref>James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.</Ref>

Then the Father will breath his life into us again.<Ref>John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:</Ref>

Our salvation is His spirit in union with our own by our submission to His will.<Ref>Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.</Ref>

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== Have we confessed our sins ==

: 1 John 1:9 ''"If we [[Confess|confess]] our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."''

So what are the sins we must [[Confess|confess]]? 

One is of course covetousness which is mentioned twice in [[The Ten Laws]] of God.

Then there is the traditional ''seven deadly sins'' of '''Lust''' ([[Wantonness]], self desire, appetite of self), '''Gluttony''' (Self indulgence), '''Greed''' (hoarding for self), Sloth (physical or spiritual laziness), '''Wrath''' (hatred, anger, impatience, appearing as revenge, violence or even self-abuse), '''Envy''' (jealousy leads to covetousness), and '''Pride''' (hubris, vanity, arrogance, conceit, considered the deadliest because it rationalizes that all others vices or sins are acceptable).

All these are about putting self first of others and are the antitheses of love thy neighbor as thyself.

These vices or sins are really the result of an absence of the traditional seven virtues of righteousness including '''Purity''' (honesty with self and others), Temperance (justice and honor of others), [[Charity]] (benevolence, generosity, sacrifice for others), Diligence (Persistence, effort, ethics, rectitude, probity concerning others), Patience (mercy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa ahimsa] or no harm, sufferance on behalf of others), Kindness (forgiveness, compassion, integrity to others), Humility (selflessness, bravery, modesty, reverence, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism altruism] <Ref>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions and secular world views, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions.</Ref> in concern of others)

In every act that might be labeled sin there may be several of appearance of a lack of virtue. Sin is all about failing to actually and actively loving our neighbor as much as ourselves. If we do not love our neighbor unselfishly then are we not violating the second greatest commandment?

What would it look like if we put our own interests over that of our neighbor?

* Do we take or hope to take any benefit that might deprive our neighbor against their will?

Since Jesus was clear about keeping the commandments and not coveting but loving your neighbor and applying to the [[Fathers]] of the earth or to men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other like other nations do then what would a sin against that command look like?

We also know that coveting our neighbor's goods or anything that is thy neighbor's is a sin, so what would that look like?

* Do we we ask men to force our neighbor to pay for our child's education by sending our children to public schools?
* Do we or will we ever depend on public health care or any social [[Welfare|welfare]] offered by those [[Benefactors]]?
* Do we depend or will we depend on any benefit that comes from men who call themselves [[Benefactors]] but who exercise authority one over the other?

These would or should be clearly seen as sin but often the sin of [[Pride]] keeps us from seeing that we are forcing are neighbor to provide for us by joining or participating in these social welfare schemes.

Which brings us to other sins like having other [[gods]]<Ref>'''There are gods many''' Who are these gods many and what is a god? http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php </Ref> and making agreements with them<Ref>2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</Ref>, swearing oaths<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
: James 5:12 ¶ But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.</Ref> and going under the power of others.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power <exousiazo> of any.
: See [[Vows]]</Ref>

If we loved our neighbor and were seeking righteousness would not we work diligently to offer others of our society an alternative through the practice of Pure Religion in matters of [[Health]], [[Education]], and [[Welfare]] a voluntary system of [[Daily_ministration|daily ministration]] through [[Faith]], [[Hope]] and [[Charity]] by way of [[Freewill offerings]] of the people, for the people and by the people through the Perfect law of liberty in [[Free Assemblies]]?

If we are not then we are at least slothful and not diligent, striving or seeking the [[Kingdom of God]] and His righteousness and are grieving the Holy Spirit.

== Saved Believers ==

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== What is a ''saved believer'' ==

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.

First in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)" We see it translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ he shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be [[doers]] of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter's warning about coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the [[elements]] of the [[world]],<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> or cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and then there is Paul's warnings and prohibitions.<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis) and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]''' 
Does history repeat itself because man does not repent?

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.” The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith.

James makes that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
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If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
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I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

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Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretation is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

'''Divers Lust Audio #1'''

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

'''Divers Lust Audio #2'''

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be [[doers]] of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter's warning about coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the [[elements]] of the [[world]],<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> or cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and then there is Paul's warnings and prohibitions.<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis) and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]''' 
Does history repeat itself because man does not repent?

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.” The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith.

James makes that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

== Facebook false message ==

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretation is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

'''Divers Lust Audio #1'''

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

'''Divers Lust Audio #2'''

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be [[doers]] of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter's warning about coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the [[elements]] of the [[world]],<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> or cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and then there is Paul's warnings and prohibitions.<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis) and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]'''

'''[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]''' 
Does history repeat itself because man does not repent?

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.” The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith.

James makes that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
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If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
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I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Poor in spirit

2017-07-01T03:28:00Z

Jeff:

: '''"Blessed [are] the [[poor in spirit]]: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."''' Matthew 5:3

The poor in spirit are not the same as the poor.

The word we see as ''poor'' is ''ptochos''<Ref> 4434 ~πτωχός~ ptochos \@pto-khos’\@
from ~πτωσσω~ ptosso (to crouch, akin to 4422 and the alternate of 4098); adj AV-poor 30, beggar 2, poor man 1, beggarly 1; 34
: 1) reduced to beggary, begging, asking alms
: 2) destitute of wealth, influence, position, honour
:: 2a) lowly, afflicted, destitute of the Christian virtues and eternal riches
:: 2b) helpless, powerless to accomplish an end
:: 2c) poor, needy
: 3) lacking in anything
:: 3a) as respects their spirit
::: 3a1) destitute of wealth of learning and intellectual culture which the schools afford (men of this class most readily give themselves up to Christ’s teaching and proved themselves fitted to lay hold of the heavenly treasure) For Synonyms see entry 5870</Ref> from root ptoeo or pipto, a beggar, one who is destitute, a pauper and is related to the idea that someone has "fallen down" so that they have become ''afflicted'' or ''destitute''.

It can be translated ''beggar'' or ''beggarly''. To be poor in spirit is someone who is a beggar in the sense they know they need help and are willing to ask for that help.

That is a common theme in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

: Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
: John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

To be [[poor in spirit]] would be the antithesis of the entitlement mind set.

But there is another place we see this reference to the poor that is blessed by God. But to understand the reference in context you must look at who is being spoken to and why they are singled out for this blessing.
In [[Luke 6]]:20 Jesus is talking specifically to His disciples "And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed [be ye] poor: for yours is the [[kingdom of God]]."

Jesus had already made a number of requirements for his disciples.<Ref>Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
[[Luke 14]]:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.</Ref> including what might be called a "'''[[vow of poverty]]'''".<Ref>Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that [[vow of poverty|forsaketh not all that he hath]], he cannot be my disciple.</Ref>

While Jesus likely knew Greek it is well accepted the sermon on the mount was given in Aramaic. The Aramaic idiom Miskaneh can be used to describe someone "who voluntarily gives up all material things for a spiritual benefit". Or in other words becoming materially poor to become spiritually rich.

As bond servants of Christ and servants of His [[Kingdom of God]] they had the beggarly spirit that Christ would bless and had ''[[vow of poverty|forsaken all that that they had]]''.

'''[[Was Jesus rich]]?''' Jesus was said to be rich by Paul but gave up his wealth to be minister to the people.<Ref>[[2 Corinthians 8]]:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.</Ref>

The ''[[poor in spirit]]'' would be ‘miskaneh brooh’ in Aramaic which would represent a figure of speech meaning “not prideful” or the reverse of “[[wantonness]]”.

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Divers lusts

2017-06-30T20:51:21Z

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

'''Divers Lust Audio #1'''

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
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If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== State favors ==

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

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The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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Jeff: /* Saved Believers */

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== State favors ==

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

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The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Jeff: /* Saved By Grace and Not by Law */

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== State favors ==

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'''Divers Lust Audio #5'''
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'''Divers Lust Audio #6'''
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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

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The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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Jeff: /* Saved Believers */

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

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Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== State favors ==

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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Divers lusts

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Jeff: /* Saved By Grace and Not by Law */

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

'''Divers Lust Audio #1'''

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

{{#ev:youtube|DDr0nO1hVy0|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 1 of 8 Introduction ~3 min}}

So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

{{#ev:youtube|tVfJEYkMWPI|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 5: One Purse] ~4}}

The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
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{{#ev:youtube|ajr_L0d_FS8|300|right|UNC Interview: Part 3: The corpus or body of Christ established by Christ or by others?] ~10 min}}

And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
[[File:jesusfeeds.jpg|left|thimb|A Living [[Network]] of love and [[Charity|charity]] is what Christ preached]]

First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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== State favors ==

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

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These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

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And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

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These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

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Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

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The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
</Ref>
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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== Saved By [[Grace]] and Not by Law ==
This page is a response to many confusions and misconceptions due to false doctrines that have crept into the modern Church that have nothing in common with the early Church.
It will enter upon ''Divers''<Ref>Divers is actually spelled both ways and this is the King James spelling</Ref> ''Lusts'' mentioned in the Bible.

'''Divers Lust Audio #1'''

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[[Modern Christians]] have come up with several private interpretations or personal philosophies about the teaching of Paul and the salvation though Jesus Christ. They use numerous quotes out of context and assume meanings to words in order to reinvent the Gospel to suit their own varied desires.

They say things like:

''* A saved [[Believer|believer]] who has trusted fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for his or her salvation understands the simplicity of the Gospel of [[Grace]]. They know that they are saved because...''

:* ''1. Jesus Christ died for their sins and paid for them all. God's perfect Justice has been satisfied by the death of His Son.''

:* 2. ''That Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. ([[1Corinthians 15]]:1-4)''

:* 3. ''They receive, believe and trust that Christ's perfect sacrifice is all that is required to save them. They know they cannot add anything or subtract anything from Christ's sacrifice.''

:* 4. ''Salvation is a free gift. It cannot be earned, there is nothing for the sinner to do for their salvation.''

No one of course is suggesting or saying that people are saved by ''works'' nor by the ''law'' like the Pharisees sought to do. Many of these [[Modern Christians]] run back to a ''saved by grace'' eschatology whenever anyone talks about what one does.

A number of terms need to be defined in accordance to the meanings of Paul such as "saved believer".

== Saved [[Believer]]s ==

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What is a ''[[Saved]] believer''?

The word "believer" only appears twice in the Bible.
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First we read in Acts 5:14 "And '''believers''' were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women. " We see in Strong's the word ''believers'' translated from ''pisteuo'' πιστεύω a verb translated believe 239 times and believer once. It is from the noun for ''faith''; it can mean "to think to be true" or "place confidence in".

We also see the word in 1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the '''believers''', in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

Here the word is ''pistos'' πιστός meaning faithful. It is defined "of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties"

The word ''pistos'' does come from the word ''peitho'' πείθω which means "to persuade" or "be persuaded" or even "to trust, have confidence" but as an adjective it is defining some one who because he is convinced or convicted of Christ shows evidence of the ''faithful in the transaction of business'' of Christ keeping the commandments of Christ.

[[Modern Christians]] often divest the word ''believer'' of needing to show the "execution of commands" of Christ nor even persuaded to seek to follow the ways he said to go and be. They seem to think that they merely have to be persuaded that they are ''saved believers'' in their own minds with no actual evidence discharged of their belief. They simply repeat their claim of belief in the finished work of Christ.

Paul in 1 Timothy 4:12 is clear that ''believers''' should be an example of "in word, in conversation (conduct), in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity."

If they are not that example, we should be able to suspect, if not conclude, that they are not ''saved believers''.

This required outward evidence of belief is consistent with the teachings of Christ who says we are to be doers of the word<Ref>DOETH 
Mtt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mtt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mtt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mtt 16:27 “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” Mtt 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”[Mtt 6:2, 3; 8:9; 18:23-35; 19:16-21; 20:1-28, 25-29; 21:28-31, 43; 22:29-33; 23:1-33; 24:46-51; 25:14-46, 26:13, 42, Mark 3:35]
 Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:46, 49 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.” Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” 
 John 3:20,21 “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 5:20 “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” John 9:31 “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” 
 John 13:15 “For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.”
 [[Ephesians]] 6:8 “Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
 Colossians 3:25 “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done... no respect of persons.”
 James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.”
 1 Peter 1:14 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:”
 1 Peter 1:17 “And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:”
 1 John 2:17 “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” 1 John 3:7 “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” 1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” 3 John 1:11 “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” 
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
 Titus 2:14 “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” 
Hebrews 10:24 “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:” 
Hebrews 10:36 “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” 
James 2:22 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” 
Revelation 20:12, 13 “... another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”</Ref> and must bear the fruit of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref>, James' insistence upon works,<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
</Ref> Peter in not coveting<Ref>1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:</Ref> or being entangled again with the elements of the world<Ref>Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,</Ref> cursing your children with debt.<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref> and Paul<Ref>Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the '''righteousness of God revealed''' from faith to faith: as it is written, '''The just shall live by faith'''.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be '''known of God''' is '''manifest in them'''; for God hath shewed it unto them. 
20 For the '''invisible things''' of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal '''power''' (dunamis)and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became '''vain in their imaginations''', and their foolish heart was darkened. 
22 '''Professing themselves''' to be wise, they became fools, 
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an '''image''' made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 
"God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"
~ William Shakespeare 
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the '''lusts of their own hearts''', to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and '''worshipped and served the creature''' more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
26 For this cause '''God gave them up unto vile affections''': for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, '''Thou shalt not covet'''. 
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 
[[1Corinthians 5]]:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 
[[1Corinthians 6]]:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 
2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. 
[[Ephesians]] 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 
[[Ephesians]] 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 
Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 
2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:</Ref>.

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'''Some other articles mentioned'''

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/notsecuress.php Not so Secure Socialism]

Same old promise, Same old lie! Appeared first on NewsWithViews 8-1-10 

[http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/romeus.php Rome vs US]

Does history repeat itself because man does not repent? 

Show 6 also mentions [[GMO]] and [[Quantum]]

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”

The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Upside Down ==

"Just Look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is [[Upsidedown |upside down]]. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." Dr. Michael Ellner

== [[Saved]] without fruit ==
[[File:grace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|What constitutes a [[Believer]] that is [[Saved]] by [[Grace]]?]]

This idea of not needing to bear the fruit of a believer is very inconsistent with what the '''gospel of Christ''' tells us about being doers of the word and keeping his commandments but it is also contrary to the the instructions of Paul.

In 2 Timothy 3:5<Ref>2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.</Ref> we see Paul telling us to shun those who have a form of godliness but deny the power. He says this because in 2 Timothy 4:3 <Ref>2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</Ref> because people reject ''sound doctrine'' because of their own desires.<Ref>epithumia ἐπιθυμία desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden</Ref>

The phrase ''sound doctrine'' simply mean the whole teachings. False teachers are trying to divide the doctrine of Christ into more than one part or more than one Gospel so that it is no longer whole.

'''One way''' they do this is suggest that Paul was teaching a different gospel than Christ despite the fact that he states that he is preaching the '''gospel of Christ'''.<Ref>* Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the '''gospel of Christ''': for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
* Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the '''gospel of Christ'''.
* 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the '''gospel of Christ''' without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
* 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious '''gospel of Christ''', who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
* 2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the '''gospel of Christ''', and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
* 2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the '''gospel of Christ''':
* Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the '''gospel of Christ'''.
Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the '''gospel of Christ''': that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
* 1 Thessalonians 3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the '''gospel of Christ''', to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:</Ref>

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

It should be absolutely clear that Paul never claims to be anything but a minister of Christ. <Ref>* Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.</Ref>
This '''gospel of Christ''' phrase is seen back in Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

To be faithful one has to repent and believe in the real Jesus. ''For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.''

To suggest that Paul's use of ''my gospel'' in Romans 2:16 <Ref>Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.</Ref> somehow makes what Paul is preaching a different gospel is taking away the foundation of Paul which is Christ. That is the very definition of unsound doctrine.

Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and ignore history itself to perpetuate their personal beliefs. They seek ministers that continue to justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ and their desires in the ways of the world.

They create an image of Christ in their minds and worship that image and you can tell that is what they are doing by their works, by what they are doing and not doing.

One of the first quotes that comes to mind is:

* 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

What is this "divers lusts"?

The word divers means "various sorts" diseases, miracles or even color but in this case it is referring to the Greek word epithumia ἐπιθυμία from epithumeo ἐπιθυμέω translated desire, covet, and occasionally lust.
Epithumia ἐπιθυμία is defined "desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden.

We are called to repent, to seek, to walk in His ways. But some who profess him with their lips continue to make the word of God to none effect by their traditions just like the Pharisees did and they two have their high priests like Jannes and Jambres who feed out the eschatology of the serpent and pray to the Pharaohs and Fathers upon the earth for their daily bread.

They are already under "legalistic system" and again entangled again with the yoke of bondage. They have been spoiled through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. But nay they have a form of ''godliness but deny the power'' of God so they are not ''dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world'' and are very ''subject to ordinances'',

I see many who think they trust in Christ but if they did we would see different fruit. We would not see them doing what the Pharisees did but see them seeking the ways of Christ and bearing the fruit of the early [[Church]].

In truth most do not know the ways of Christ for if they knew Christ they would began to follow his ways and not ways that of those who have done contrary to what Christ taught and showed us.

Like the prodigal son they would be again returning to the righteous ways of Christ and Paul ad others who turned around and followed after the perfect law of liberty through faith hope and charity.

But instead they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

“A more certain way to attack [[religion]] is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which [[religion]] inspires are silent. In the matter of changing [[religion]], State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

== Syllogism ==

A syllogism is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition is inferred from two or more others of a specific form. In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic.

* All Christians are saved.
* All who believe in Christ are Christians.
* All who believe in Christ are saved.

But if a statement includes a term so that the statement is false if the term has no instances (is not instantiated) then the statement is said to entail existential import with respect to that term.

To be instantiated means "represent as or by an instance".

For belief to be real it must be represented as something or be manifested by an identifiable instance. In other words belief must bear fruit worthy of repentance.<Ref>Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. of:</Ref>

Belief has an existential import because it may not be true that they believe. 
How do you know someone believes? 
Because they say they believe? 
Because they think they believe? 

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Romans 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints; 

== Proof TEXTS: ==

{{#ev:youtube|jGU3WVjBXVY|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min}}

Some who think they are saved try to tell us that we are saved already without repenting and seeking the kingdom nor doing the will of the Father. They make irrational conclusions by taking verses out of the context and become very defensive about any mention of works.

Here are some of the things they say to prove they do not have attend to works:

:* The quote [[Ephesians]] 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: **Not of works,**LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

This of course does not prove there is no need for works any more than when you talk about works you are saying you are not saved by grace. We are saved by grace but works are the evidence of faith. Works are the evidence of faith. James make that clear.<Ref>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
</Ref>
Hebrews talks about "dead works" that do not go on to ''perfection'' because people are "saying they believe" and have "faith". Why? Because they left "the principles of the doctrine of Christ".<Ref>Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,"</Ref>

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:* They go on to say ''"There are many boasters today that will try to put you under some sort of legalistic system. They themselves cannot live up to their own standards. They can't see this because they are blinded by the god of this world."''

The truth is all these people who talk about people trying to put people "under some sort of legalistic system" are already under a legal system created by the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/godsmany.php gods many] of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

People need to read The Book
[http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/gods/bookgods.php The Covenants of the gods] if they want to find out how you go "under some sort of legalistic system". Most of that which brings you under these legal systems is covetousness,<Ref>2 Peter 2:3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Colossians 3:5 ¶ Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as [a matter of] bounty, and not as [of] covetousness. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
</Ref> sloth<Ref>Proverbs 12:24 ¶ The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.
 Proverbs 18:9 ¶ He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
 Proverbs 15:19 ¶ The way of the slothful [man is] as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous [is] made plain.
 Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
 Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business(diligence); fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
 Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
</Ref> and desire for benefits<Ref>Proverbs 23:1 ¶ When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.
 Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:</Ref> from men who call themselves [[benefactors]] but exercise authority.

{{#ev:youtube|jUQlOGyf7to|300|right|This World, NN Video Series:6-10 4:01}}

These same people jump to false accusations that people who mention works and what you are doing are saying we are saved by the law with words like: ''"They are too busy preaching law and how wonderful and holy they are and reject God's free gift. They insult and degrade the cross of Christ by claiming that His perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us. They distract themselves from the fact that they are sinners, break the commandments (daily) and brag that they are better than people who simply trust in Christ by JUDGING YOU AS UNWORTHY AND UNFIT TO BE SAVED. They pat themselves on the back and gloat about how good and righteous they are and that God is pleased with them and their works while God is displeased with you and your lack of works and imperfect law keeping."''

Of course no one ever said that Christ's "perfect sacrifice was not enough to save us" any more than God suggested that Christ could not do what he was sent to do because of what was said John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

By saying "might be saved" God was not suggesting that it could not be done or that Jesus might fail. He was pointing to the choice that men would have to make that was apart of accessing that salvation.

We see the same phrase over and over again using the Greek word sozo σώζω which is also translated into the words "make whole" and "heal". Christ came that we might be made whole again and healed as sons of God. He did not die to give a license to sin but to be perfected.<Ref>2 Corinthians 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and [[church]] of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
</Ref>

If we will read the whole statements in John we see he goes on to clarify this salvation concerning loving Christ who is the light. Specifying that the evidence of not really loving the light was that your deeds were evil. So anyone doing evil does not really love the light despite what they say.<Ref>John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world], and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.</Ref>

It is clear by Christ's words that it is not enough to say that you will do the will of the Father or that you love him but that you have to be a doer of the word which we have already covered in this series from Jesus own words time and time again and see again in verse John 3:20.

The whole fruits of repentance<Ref>Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.</Ref> which is mentioned by Christ is an essential element of knowing that you are not fooling yourself like those who thought they were operating in the name of Christ but Christ sends away because he calls them workers of iniquity.

Even Paul emphasizes fruit and righteousness over and over.<Ref>Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 
Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. 
Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 
2 Timothy 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
</Ref>

I have heard pastors tell me that the doctrines, words and teachings of Christ are overwritten by his Crucifixion so that we do not have to keep the commandments to obtain eternal life as Jesus said. His own words about "might be saved" found in John 5:34 is not about what Christ did but by what we fail to do. We can not fail to '''love the light''' or refuse to diligently seek to do His will and still be saved.

Can we be true believers and not manifest the love of God and the ways Christ taught and we see the early [[Church]] true believers following.<Ref>John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.</Ref>
Jesus made it clear that these men who claimed to believe Moses and were not doing what Moses said to do.<Ref>John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?</Ref>

If we really believe we will have those fruits the Pharisees failed to manifest but the early Christians did manifest that the Modern Christians fail to manifest even though they like the Pharisees claim to believe but loved not the truth.<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

Yes, it is very easy to say we are saved and saved by faith but there should be evidence of that faith if it is real. Anyone who suggests that everyone including liars are save just because they say they believe they are fooling themselves. Thessalonians is very clear that there needs to be love of the truth".<Ref>2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. </Ref>

These [[Modern Christians]] quote 2 Corinthians 4:4-5. <Ref>2 Corinthians 4:4-5 In whom the god of this [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. </Ref> but do not understand it because they love the ''god of the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world]'' and not the ways of Christ. And because like the Pharisees they do not really love the light or the whole truth but say they see their sin remains.

The [[religion]] actually practiced and preached by the apostles and the early [[Church]] was completely different set of events and different fruit than we see Modern Christians practicing. Many of them do not take the time and effort to study or seek out the truth of what the early Church was doing or what the [[Christian conflict]] was with those who persecuted them.

They go on quoting 2 Corinthians emphasizing "'''For we preach not ourselves''', but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

{{#ev:youtube|EMxTbD3s3s8|300|right|[[Religion]], NN Video Series:9-10 4:27}}

And then they claim that "The believer knows that they are saved FOR GOOD WORKS not BY THEM." No one has argued that we are saved by works simply that real believers will manifest works that are at least similar to the early [[Church]] if they are really following the ways of Christ and love the light he brought in the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php world].

They also continue quoting "[[Ephesians]] 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." which is clearly deflecting from the real issue which is what does that " workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works" actually looks like.

The [Christian conflict]] was centered in religious difference but few Christians to day even understand what that difference in [[religion]] really was about because they do not really know what the word [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/ThatWordnwv.php [[religion]]] meant back then.

That of course would look like what the early Christians were doing and not what we see the [[Modern Christians]] doing and not doing.

{{#ev:youtube|KsXUOHKh3pg|300|right|The Church, Nimrod Series:10-10 7:53}}

These Modern Christians will continue in ramblings about two gospels by saying things like "Paul's Gospel given to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as recorded in Acts Chapter 9 was a mystery. The Gospel of the Kingdom was in prophecy and the two are not to be mixed for our salvation in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. ([[Ephesians]] Chapter 3)."

They will try to use random quotes over and over again suggesting that Paul had a different gospel than Christ because he says my gospel a few times<Ref>Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to '''my gospel''', and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:</Ref> that allows us to disregard what Christ told us to do and set aside what he says even though Paul was adamant in Romans 15:19 that he "fully preached the gospel of Christ."<Ref>Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.</Ref>

== Blessing Israel ==

Many of these [[Modern Christians]] also talk about "The Kingdom Gospel that concerns the nation of Israel and the fact that the nations of the earth can be blessed by blessing Israel was not a mystery but in prophecy." But they deny the power of Christ and what he was really doing and look no farther than their private interpretation of the gosple that is void of the works of the early [[Church]].

{{#ev:youtube|ums_7aYcv0c|300|right|Nimrod to Now Series: Part 1 of 10 ~6 min}}

Yes, Moses and Gideon and Samson were leaders in a nation called Israel which was the place where God prevailed. But they lead their nation and the people according to the perfect law of liberty. There was no king and men were to learn to rule themselves according to the leading of God in their hearts while loving one anther.<Ref>Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.</Ref>

Saul became king when the people sinned and rejected God and was told he would loose that kingdom because he forced an offering which was a "foolish" thing.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue:...</Ref>

What Saul had done was command the people to give him an offering to support his troops.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:9 And Saul said(translated command 30 times), Bring hither a burnt offering to me, and peace offerings. And he offered the burnt offering.</Ref> We see Samual's reaction in 1 Samuel 13:11asking him "What hast thou done?" with Saul making excuses that he feared the Philistines who gathered to make war.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:11 And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and [that] thou camest not within the days appointed, and [that] the Philistines gathered themselves together at Michmash;</Ref>

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So what did Saul do? He forced an offering to supply his army.<Ref>1 Samuel 13:12 Therefore said I, The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the LORD: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering.</Ref> Israel operated according to the perfect law of liberty up till that point but God had warned them this would happen.

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The people were told that the government they wanted Samuel to create was a rejection of God<Ref>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
</Ref> He told them that the ruler would end up taking and taking and taking and their sons would run before their chariots and war machinery of the king.<Ref>1 Samuel 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
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And God would not hear their prayers because they wanted a ruler who could exercise authority one over the other.<Ref>18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
</Ref>

The ruler in the [[world]] are like Saul because the people today including [[Modern Christians]] have rejected God and His ways and even the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.

So who should rule over you?

Who ruled over the Christians?

Who was their king?

* Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

Who said he was the rightful heir of the throne of David.

* Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

What did the Romans say about Jesus?

* [[Luke 23]]:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

How does His kingdom operate?

By the [[perfect law of liberty]].

You need to read the book [http://www.hisholychurch.org/media/books/THL/tableofcontents.php The Higher Liberty].

These false do nothing Christians who do not know the Gospel, God nor Christ use verses like [[Acts 3]]:19-21 that talks about those who "Repent" but they have not repented themselves but are living like the Pharisees because their false [preachers are not telling them the whole truth. Therefore they are not converted, nor are their sins "blotted out" because like Cain they have gone out of the presence of God. These false ministers are not "his holy prophets".<Ref>Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of '''all his holy prophets since the world began.'''</Ref> Therefore there is no "Dispensation of the Grace of God" for them because they are not "true believers".

* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXBTi6bq4U Part 2: Golden Calf] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5sp5bCpSc Part 3: Mammon] ~4 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU3WVjBXVY Part 4: Baptism] ~5 min
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfJEYkMWPI Part 5: One Purse] ~4 min

These false believers who still pray to men who call themselves [[Benefactors|benefactors]] are not forgiven because neither do they forgive their neighbor debt. They are not doing what the Ephesian Christians were doing but what those who opposed Christ were doing. They are not covered in His Blood nor His grace. <Ref>[[Ephesians]] 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;</Ref>

They also quote [[Colossians]] 2:13-14 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, [[Nailing it to His cross|nailing it to his cross]];"

But he has not forgiven them because they will not forgive others that debt that provides their benefits from those [[benefactors]] who exercise authority.

They like to excuse their continued policy of sins with statements like "The fact is that we are all sinners and none of us measure up to God's Holy and perfect standards. Only by believing the Gospel can we be saved and have Christ's righteousness imputed to us."

But they do not know the Gospel, nor Christ, nor God and remain [[workers of iniquity]] rather than seekers of the [[Kingdom of God]] and his righteousness not doers of the word.

== THE BAD NEWS ==

:* Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

:* Don't put yourself under the law for salvation.

:* [[Romans 3]]:19-21 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that **every mouth may be stopped,** and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. **But now** the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

== THE GOOD NEWS ==

These ignorant Christian have been led away from the narrow way of Christ thinking "You can be saved today if you will trust in Christ and Him alone for your salvation." But they do not know what that looks like and that is why they have so little in common with the early Church.

They think "It is not necessary for you to go anywhere, say anything, pray a prayer, go forward in an altar call or do anything except trust in the fact that Jesus Christ did it all!" but forget that he did it all that they might be saved if they repent and truly believe in him, His Gospel and His way.

The quote [[Romans 8]]:1-3 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law **could not do**, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

But they fail to listen to Christ.<Ref>Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
[[Matthew 19]]:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 
[[Mark 10]]:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 
[[Mark 10]]:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[John 3]]:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
[[Acts 14]]:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.</Ref>

They do not even listen to Paul.<Ref>1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 
[[Ephesians 5]]:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[[Colossians]] 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 
[[Colossians]] 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 
[[1 Thessalonians 2]]:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 
[[2 Thessalonians 1]]:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
</Ref>

:* "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..."

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The following is statements are all from a Facebook exchange. I knew the individual for years and helped get him his present job which allows him to study the Bible in his spare time. He has gotten into much of the false teachings that have crept into the Modern Church and preaches them with a cut and paste fervor.

I wrote him and told him I was going to use his responses for material for my radio broadcasts and he was the stimulus for much of what is published above. I will respond to his quotes and use of scripture on more broadcasts and post the audio files here so that those who want to see the truth may do so. He took down our exchange and does not want me to post to his "Wall".

Unfortunately his private interpretaition is keeping him from seeing the had writing on the wall.

'''MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN'''<Ref>Daniel 5:25 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.</Ref>

From a Facebook Christian

* Benny wrote: "Speaking of picking and choosing what people are to believe..."

Matthew 19:27-28 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

False Christians have actually said to me based on their misunderstanding of these quotes that "Jesus taught Israel not to work and to take no thought for their life because the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Is that what you teach?"

They then quote out of context:

* Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Leaving off Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

They try to use Matthew 6:25-26 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

Being so ignorant and far from understanding they misapply the context of the early Church and what Jesus was talking about with statements like:

* Benny wrote: "Which set of instructions are we to follow? Are we to follow what Jesus and the 12 taught Israel or what Paul under a new Gospel revealed to him by the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ after the "fall of Israel".

* Benny wrote: "Which are you going to do... forsake all or are you going to lay up earthly treasure for your children?"

* Benny wrote: "The early JEWISH church did exactly gave up all."

And then they use the following quotes to justify saying.

* Benny wrote: "So, you claim that this what you are doing? Have you forsaken all and share with the brethren that believe as you do and have all things common? Do you lay up gold, silver, guns and property for yourself and your family or do you sell out share all that you have and wait for Christ to come and set up His Kingdom?"

[[2 Corinthians 12]]:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

[[Acts 2]]:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had ALL THINGS common;

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

At one time earlier in the exchange I stated "Most people pick and choose quotes out of the context of the Bible and history itself. They seek ministers and quotes that justify their apathy and sloth in the ways of Christ." There were many examples of this already given but below we will see more and some of the confusion that his popular eschatology uses to promote their false gospel.

* Benny wrote: "Maybe you should consider your own words and realize that YOU are contradicting what Christ taught to Israel by mixing them with the instructions that Christ gave to Paul after the fall of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "Salvation has come to the Gentiles through the fall of Israel. Salvation was to come according to prophecy through their rise. Can you see what this means?"

* Benny wrote: "Israel was under the law. We in this dispensation are not under the law."

[[Romans 3]]:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

* Benny wrote: "In the ages to come there will come a time when Gentiles will be saved by doing works of righteousness. When people must bless Israel to be saved as they did in the past."

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 12:3 And I will **bless them that bless thee,** and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

* Benny wrote: "In the Future..."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[[Matthew 25]]:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

* Benny wrote: "You know the rest of the passage. The ones that did not give Christ's brethren ISRAEL the things they needed are cast into everlasting punishment."

* Benny wrote: "The Gentiles who bless Israel will be saved and those who don't will be lost."

* Benny wrote: "(Note) The Gentiles that are saved will not understand what they have done. "When did we do these things?""

* Benny wrote: "That is written for the Body of Christ's learning and admonition but it is not written directly to us..."

* Benny wrote: "Paul under direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ writes this directly to us"

Titus 3:4-5 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, **Not by works of righteousness which we have done,** but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

* Benny wrote: "Which is it? Are we to do works of righteousness for our salvation or are we saved by not doing works of righteousness."

* Benny wrote: "These instructions are written to two different groups of people. Israel is a literal, physical nation. The Body of Christ is a spiritual body."

* Benny wrote: "In "times past" faith and works were required for salvation as they will in in the future "ages to come. "But now" works will not save us. All the work and everything needed for salvation has been done."

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it **no more of works:** otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

* Benny wrote: "'NO MORE OF WORKS' if it is no more of works then in times past works were a part of salvation.

* Benny wrote: "James writes to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the book of James..."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

* Benny wrote: "Paul writes:"

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not,** but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

* Benny wrote: "In times past salvation was performance based a person was saved by faith and works.

* Benny wrote: "God required Israel to do something and then He would bless them, but if they didn't do what He required He would curse them."

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:...

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

* Benny wrote: "Works and obedience were required... or a curse would come upon the nation of Israel."

* Benny wrote: "The Body of Christ is not under the law for blessings by performance and cursed if the the members of the Body fail to perform."

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

* Benny wrote: "Jesus took all our sins upon Himself and the cup of wrath was poured upon Him. He did everything for us to be saved. The Body of Christ is a "New Man" not a cursed nation."

* Benny wrote: "Mixing law and grace confuses the issues. "Rightly Dividing the Word of truth" and knowing who the apostle that we are to follow today is critical."

* Benny wrote: "The Body is not to follow the instructions given to the twelve but rather the instructions given to a very humble chief of sinners the apostle Paul."

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Timothy 1:15-16 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in **me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should **HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.**

* Benny wrote: "BELIEVE on Him (Jesus) and the instructions given to Paul and not WORK for life everlasting."

* Benny wrote: "Paul was the first to "glory in the cross" Paul was the first to be given the Gospel of the Grace of God. He calls IT "my gospel". He calls it "my gospel" in Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25 and in 2 Timothy 2:8."

* Benny wrote: "Christ died for and paid for **ALL** out sins. So, if Christ died and Paid for all our sins... which sins didn't he die and pay for?..."

* Benny wrote: "God is not sending anyone "strong delusion" at this present time but instead desires "all men to be saved". He will send strong delusion after the Body of Christ leaves this earth but not now."

* Benny wrote: "all men are deluded to some degree but God is the one who will in the future send "strong delusion" and cause them to believe a lie."

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And "now" ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

* Benny wrote: ""now" present"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And "then" shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

* Benny wrote: ""then" future"

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

* Benny wrote: "God cannot be sending and causing people to have "strong delusion" and desire all men to be saved at the same time. "

Benny later sent
* Benny wrote: "Also... It is not God that is sending strong delusion at this present time of Grace and reconciliation but in fact Satan is blinding those that God desires to be saved."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

* Benny wrote: "(Note) These people are lost but thy can be saved if they believe but they are lost if they believe not."

* Benny wrote: "Satan is the blinder at this present time... God will send "strong delusion" after this dispensation of pure grace without works ends."

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