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== Piso and the [[Flavian Myth]]== | == Piso and the [[Flavian Myth]]== | ||
The Joseph Atwill's Piso/Flavian theory falls apart as soon as you find out what the character and mission of men like [[Moses]] | Caesar's Messiah is a 2006 book of speculative non-fiction by Joseph Atwill, which argues that the New Testament Gospels were written as wartime propaganda by scholars connected to the Roman imperial court of the Flavian emperors: Vespasian, Titus and Domitian. | ||
The Joseph Atwill's Piso/Flavian theory falls apart as soon as you find out what the character and mission of men like [[Moses]] and [[Jesus]] really was. They agreed with each other but the [[Pharisees]] did not agree with [[Jesus]] because they did not know him. | |||
Most of the [[early Church]] were actually Jews. Like the [[Church in the wilderness]] they were actually performing services for the people cast out of the [[Corban]] of Judea which Jesus had strongly objected to. | |||
[[John the Baptist]] had opposed [[Herod]] the Great system of temple welfare which depended on [[force]]d offering rather than the [[freewill offerings]] promoted by [[Moses]]. | |||
If the Flavians wrote the Bile why would Jesus criticize the [[Corban]] of the [[Pharisees]] and [[Herod]] which was identical to the [[Imperial Cult of Rome|Qorban]] of [[Rome]]? | |||
Why would Jesus warn the people to all ''no man [[fathers]] of the earth'' since the Roman emperors were call [[Patronus]] and the Senators of [[Rome]] were called [[conscripti patri]]? | |||
Why would Flavius have Jesus commanding his people to "[[Swear not]]"?<Ref>Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.</Ref> | |||
Or why would they write that James said "But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." [[James 5]]:12 | |||
These prohibitions against oaths and swearing would not be a part of the Flavian policies since an "Oath of Fidelity" was required by Vespasian, Titus and Domitian. | |||
During the Second [[Persecution]], under Domitian, A.D. 81, persecutions among the Christians would bring death by order of their magistrates who commonly required a "test oath". | |||
While those emperors took oaths themselves to be High-priests of their nation [[Jesus]] did not according to [[Hebrews 7]]:20 "And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made [[priest]]]:" | |||
It is only a lack of understanding of Jesus and [[The Way]] that allows anyone to accept Atwill's premise of a Flavian authorship. If [[Modern Christians]] would fully [[repent]] and [[seek]] the [[kingdom of God]] and His [[righteousness]] with their whole heart mind and soul they could not be seduced by the falsehoods and misdirection of Atwill and others. | |||
Joseph Atwill's also claim that there are dozens of parallels between the Gospels and the history of Titus and his military. This requires a huge stretch of imagination. They prove nothing but the desperate hope of selling more books. | |||
Atwill and his followers mix facts and ignore others. They fail to explain the well documented activities of [[early Christians]] who were well known Historical characters and what they were doing. They mislead people about the persecutions of Christians and seem ignorant of the court issue that got peaceful people executed by the tens of thousands. | |||
The makers of the film [[Zeitgeist]] try to make comparisons with many other characters of ancient history to prove Jesus was a fictional character but the sources and information they present as fact is more often incorrect or entirely fiction. | The makers of the film [[Zeitgeist]] try to make comparisons with many other characters of ancient history to prove Jesus was a fictional character but the sources and information they present as fact is more often incorrect or entirely fiction. | ||
Many people are quick to jump on board their thesis for a variety of reasons but the whole truth reveals they are confused and dependent upon speculation and leaps of logic. | |||
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'''“Sometimes the best way to learn a lesson isn't just hearing the words, but putting it into practice by experimenting with it and finding its truth for yourself instead of taking someone else’s word for it.”''' ― A.J. Darkholme, Rise of the Morningstar | |||
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They are right that pagan ideas crept into what began posing as Christianity after [[Constantine|Flavius Salerus Constantinus]]'s First Council of Nicaea that attracted only a small number of Bishops who convened in Nicaea in Bithynia. | They are right that pagan ideas crept into what began posing as Christianity after [[Constantine|Flavius Salerus Constantinus]]'s First Council of Nicaea that attracted only a small number of Bishops who convened in Nicaea in Bithynia. | ||
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The people advocating that the Flavians created Christianity are mixing the creation of the Church of Flavius Salerus Constantinus with real Christians. | The people advocating that the Flavians created Christianity are mixing the creation of the Church of Flavius Salerus Constantinus with real Christians. | ||
A thousand years later the Church created by Constantinus would murder millions of real Christians during centuries of inquisitions that were a ''living Church'' practicing [[Pure Religion]]. If people had been taught the truth about the [[Gospel of the Kingdom]] and the reason for the [[Christian conflict]] Atwill's suggestion that rebellious and violent Christians were persecuted would be seen as patently false | A thousand years later the Church created by [[Constantine|Constantinus]] would murder millions of real Christians during centuries of inquisitions that were a ''living Church'' practicing [[Pure Religion]]. If people had been taught the truth about the [[Gospel of the Kingdom]] and the reason for the [[Christian conflict]] Atwill's suggestion that rebellious and violent Christians were persecuted would be seen as patently false. | ||
[[Rome]] had become a [[Roots of the Welfare State|Welfare State]]. That had not only made the Caesar's [[Gods|gods]] but made the people subject to the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]] in much the same way as the modern image of [[Rome vs US|Rome]]. | [[Rome]] had become a [[Roots of the Welfare State|Welfare State]]. That had not only made the Caesar's [[Gods|gods]] but made the people subject to the [[Imperial Cult of Rome]] in much the same way as the modern image of [[Rome vs US|Rome]]. | ||
[[Modern Christians]] do not know why they called these men [[Gods|gods]] and who are their actual [[Gods|gods]] today. Early Christians were practicing [[Private welfare]] instead of [[Public religion]]. It was the Public religion which involves the [[Covetous Practices]] that made men [[Merchandise]] and [[Curse children|curses their children with debt]]. | [[Modern Christians]] do not know why they called these men [[Gods|gods]] and who are their actual [[Gods|gods]] today. [[Early Christians]] were practicing [[Private welfare]] instead of [[Public religion]]. It was the Public religion which involves the [[Covetous Practices]] that made men [[Merchandise]] and [[Curse children|curses their children with debt]]. | ||
<blockquote>'' "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)''</blockquote> | <blockquote>'' "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)''</blockquote> | ||
Revision as of 15:29, 14 February 2018
Piso and the Flavian Myth
Caesar's Messiah is a 2006 book of speculative non-fiction by Joseph Atwill, which argues that the New Testament Gospels were written as wartime propaganda by scholars connected to the Roman imperial court of the Flavian emperors: Vespasian, Titus and Domitian.
The Joseph Atwill's Piso/Flavian theory falls apart as soon as you find out what the character and mission of men like Moses and Jesus really was. They agreed with each other but the Pharisees did not agree with Jesus because they did not know him.
Most of the early Church were actually Jews. Like the Church in the wilderness they were actually performing services for the people cast out of the Corban of Judea which Jesus had strongly objected to.
John the Baptist had opposed Herod the Great system of temple welfare which depended on forced offering rather than the freewill offerings promoted by Moses.
If the Flavians wrote the Bile why would Jesus criticize the Corban of the Pharisees and Herod which was identical to the Qorban of Rome?
Why would Jesus warn the people to all no man fathers of the earth since the Roman emperors were call Patronus and the Senators of Rome were called conscripti patri?
Why would Flavius have Jesus commanding his people to "Swear not"?[1]
Or why would they write that James said "But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5:12
These prohibitions against oaths and swearing would not be a part of the Flavian policies since an "Oath of Fidelity" was required by Vespasian, Titus and Domitian.
During the Second Persecution, under Domitian, A.D. 81, persecutions among the Christians would bring death by order of their magistrates who commonly required a "test oath".
While those emperors took oaths themselves to be High-priests of their nation Jesus did not according to Hebrews 7:20 "And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]:"
It is only a lack of understanding of Jesus and The Way that allows anyone to accept Atwill's premise of a Flavian authorship. If Modern Christians would fully repent and seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness with their whole heart mind and soul they could not be seduced by the falsehoods and misdirection of Atwill and others.
Joseph Atwill's also claim that there are dozens of parallels between the Gospels and the history of Titus and his military. This requires a huge stretch of imagination. They prove nothing but the desperate hope of selling more books.
Atwill and his followers mix facts and ignore others. They fail to explain the well documented activities of early Christians who were well known Historical characters and what they were doing. They mislead people about the persecutions of Christians and seem ignorant of the court issue that got peaceful people executed by the tens of thousands.
The makers of the film Zeitgeist try to make comparisons with many other characters of ancient history to prove Jesus was a fictional character but the sources and information they present as fact is more often incorrect or entirely fiction.
Many people are quick to jump on board their thesis for a variety of reasons but the whole truth reveals they are confused and dependent upon speculation and leaps of logic.
“Sometimes the best way to learn a lesson isn't just hearing the words, but putting it into practice by experimenting with it and finding its truth for yourself instead of taking someone else’s word for it.” ― A.J. Darkholme, Rise of the Morningstar
They are right that pagan ideas crept into what began posing as Christianity after Flavius Salerus Constantinus's First Council of Nicaea that attracted only a small number of Bishops who convened in Nicaea in Bithynia.
The people advocating that the Flavians created Christianity are mixing the creation of the Church of Flavius Salerus Constantinus with real Christians.
A thousand years later the Church created by Constantinus would murder millions of real Christians during centuries of inquisitions that were a living Church practicing Pure Religion. If people had been taught the truth about the Gospel of the Kingdom and the reason for the Christian conflict Atwill's suggestion that rebellious and violent Christians were persecuted would be seen as patently false.
Rome had become a Welfare State. That had not only made the Caesar's gods but made the people subject to the Imperial Cult of Rome in much the same way as the modern image of Rome.
Modern Christians do not know why they called these men gods and who are their actual gods today. Early Christians were practicing Private welfare instead of Public religion. It was the Public religion which involves the Covetous Practices that made men Merchandise and curses their children with debt.
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)
- ↑ Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.