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  • 60. "The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring for ever." He says that those who have been turned from fear to faith and righteousness endure for ever. "The judgments of the Lord are true,"--sure, and incapable of being overturned; and giving rewards according to what is right, bringing the righteous to the unity of the faith. For this is shown in the words, "justified for the same." "Such desires are above gold and precious stone."
  • 23. As through the body the Lord spake and healed, so also formerly by the prophets, and now by the apostles and teachers. For the Church is the minister of the Lord's power. Thence He then assumed humanity, that by it He might minister to the Father's will. And at all times, the God who loves humanity invests Himself with man for the salvation of men, -- in former tithes with the prophets, and now with the Church. For it is fitting that like should minister to like, in order to a like salvation."Excerpts of Theodotus" preserved in the writings of Clement of Alexandria.


Curses and Consequences

The tithing.com website written by Jared Brian stated, "We hope our tithing resources help inform and encourage Christian believers about following biblical giving that is not bound by tithing, but is sacrificial and cheerful. Our desire is to break all from the bondage legalism and encourage everyone to embrace sacrificial giving led by the Spirit of God." There are many problems with this line of thinking. First of all Biblical giving included tithing but tithing remained an individual choice in not only the amount and way in which giving was done but to whom you gave.

There were interpretations of the Old Testament taught by some people that might fall under the description of legalism which is an "excessive adherence to law or formula." This was a problem with the Pharisitical interpretation of what was "law". Law is the English word consistently used to describe the term Torah.[1] The word from which the word statute is translated is choq[2] or chuqqah[3] meaning an ordinance, enactment, or decree and may be translated in varying forms including custom, appointed, manners, rites...

The Pharisees may have been steeped in legalism but according to Jesus, they did not believe the testimony of Moses. They claimed Moses and God as their Father with their lips but they did not know his way.[4]Moses like Jesus believed we should love our neighbor as ourselves.[5] From the beginning it was not by legalism but by love that you were to fulfill the law.[6] Peter, Paul, James, and John made it clear and warned us that if we were not keeping the Commandments that it is clear that your claim of faith is false.[7]

All the laws, statutes, customs or rites of Moses were his written testimony of the nature of God the Father and the way His creation works. In Deuteronomy 4:45 "These [are] the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt," and Deuteronomy 5:1 "And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them." The text is trying to teach you something about the way the universe works the same way Moses was trying to teach the people how the law works. Even the Ten Commandments are actually trying to tell you how the Law of Nature works.

People like Cain, Nimrod and the Pharisees who in their pride will not let the Spirit of God come into their hearts often think they have to codify the law and force compliance from the top down which is legalism at its worse. This is why there are prohibitions in the policies of God and Jesus about making covenants, swearing oaths and even applying to the Father of the earth. An examination of the distinctions between terms like Natural Law, Law, legal, Common Law, and Consent can help us with our attempt to understand.

Larry Burkett from Crown Financial Ministries promoted tithing in his book “Giving & Tithing” asked, “Is Tithing Legalism”? stating, “Although the tithe is mentioned in the law, no punishment was indicated for not tithing. There is a consequence (the loss of blessings), but there is no punishment from God for not tithing.”

This idea of being blessed or cursed by your choices, actions and inactions is seen in many places in the testaments including Malachi 3:9 "Ye [are] cursed[8] with a curse[9].[10]

These two words translated cursed and curse actually have to do with built-in consequences established at the creation of a cause and effect universe according to the Law of Nature and Natures God.

Jared Brian did not "think there is any question about the curse for not tithing" mentioning Deuteronomy 26, Deuteronomy 27, and Deuteronomy 28. Unfortunately, people are often still falling prey to the spirit of legalism and applying to Moses the Pharisees' false interpretations, missing the metaphor and spirit of love. Those curses and blessings are consequences of following or not following the Spirit of God and His righteousness.

A false view of tithing certainly would be "out-of-place when we attempt to fit it into a Church" but the fulfillment of the law has always been love. Tithing has always been "user-friendly" because it has always been a matter of individual choice and policed by that Law of Nature and Natures God.

People and many in the Modern Church often use the term grace to neglect righteousness. We should still be seeking the righteousness of God and like the early Church we should be providing a daily ministration through Pure Religion unspotted by the world. We should not be dependent upon the Fathers of the earth nor the men who call themselves benefactors but who exercise authority one over the other.

Tithing was always about charitably participating in a governmental system of the care and welfare of others both locally and far off. The Levites were the firstborn of the nation who were to bear fruit for a nation through the freewill offerings of the people who tithed to them according to their service[11] not some legalistic demand or statute.

The early Church would feed the flock of God by rightly dividing the bread from house to house. Christians did not apply for the free bread of Caesar. The early Christian ate of the righteous table of the Lord, not of the unrighteous mammon of the fathers of the earth.

Five Reasons

Jared Brian says there are Five Reasons Why You are Cursed for Tithing. He likes logic but lacks knowledge. If you are missing pieces of the true history of Abraham and the early Church you may misinterpret the text. 1. "Obeying the law has a curse upon it (Galatians 3:10)."

This is not true because obeying the law is fulfilling the law which is done by following The Way of love and charity, not the way of compacts and force which is going under the law of men who exercise authority. There was a point made by Paul about imposing Jewish customs on Gentiles.[12] But Paul knew that "Religion" was about 'remembering the poor'.[13] Caring for the welfare of the people had to be done by charity alone. This was at the core of the Christian conflict and the essence of Pure Religion.
See what (Galatians 3:10) is really saying.

2. "You are fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4-6)"

We fall from grace when we sell our liberty under God for the free bread, benefits and the wages of unrighteousness offered by Cain, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Herod, and Caesar.
See Galatians 5:4-6

3. "God doesn’t say anything about loving a dedicated giver (2 Corinthians 9:7)"

The Levites were always supposed to be tithed to according to their service which was a choice of the heart.
See 2 Corinthians 9 in context.

4. "Tithing makes you a slave (Galatians 5:1)"

There is no way that tithing makes you a slave. Sloth, covetous practices, Wantonness, the wages of unrighteousness, and the benefits of men who call themselves benefactors entangle you again in the yoke of bondage.

5. "Tithing makes you weak (Romans 8:3)"

The laws spoken of by Paul were the hand written ordinances nailed to the cross imposed by civil law. It is the laws that attempted to legislate morality. see Romans 8:3
According to Polybius and the prophets being accustomed to living at the expense of others makes you weak.


Ok. you get it, Israel was punished and cursed for disobeying the law, but doesn’t the bible say that we are free from the curse of the law? Yes it does. Galatians 3:14 states, “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us“. Of course, this sounds like great news, and it is, but this actually comes with bad news for some out there.

If you read four verses earlier in Galatians 3:10 it states, “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

For those of you who are continuing to practice the works of the law, including tithing, you are actually placing yourself back under the curse. Ouch! So, you practice tithing to protect yourself from the curse, but in actuality, you actually are bringing it upon yourself.

There are so many people out there wondering why tithing isn’t working for them. Well maybe the five reasons above are why.

Five Reasons Why You Are Blessed for NOT Tithing

  1. You are under grace (Romans 6:14)
  2. God said he would supply all our needs without mentioning the tithe (Philippians 4:19)
  3. Our gifts are sweet-smelling sacrifice that is acceptable and pleasing to God (Philippians 4:18)
  4. God Loves a Cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7)
  5. The Spirit gives life (Romans 8:5-10)
    1. 08451 ^הרות^ towrah \@to-raw’\@ or ^הרת^ torah \@to-raw’\@ from 03384; n f; AV-law 219; 219
      1) law, direction, instruction
      1a) instruction, direction (human or divine)
      1a1) body of prophetic teaching
      1a2) instruction in Messianic age
      1a3) body of priestly direction or instruction
      1a4) body of legal directives
      1b) law
      1b1) law of the burnt offering
      1b2) of special law, codes of law
      1c) custom, manner
      1d) the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law
    2. 02706 ^קח^ choq \@khoke\@ from 02710; n m; AV-statute 87, ordinance 9, decree 7, due 4, law 4, portion 3, bounds 2, custom 2, appointed 1, commandments 1, misc 7; 127
      1) statute, ordinance, limit, something prescribed, due
      1a) prescribed task
      1b) prescribed portion
      1c) action prescribed (for oneself), resolve
      1d) prescribed due
      1e) prescribed limit, boundary
      1f) enactment, decree, ordinance
      1f1) specific decree
      1f2) law in general
      1g) enactments, statutes
      1g1) conditions
      1g2) enactments
      1g3) decrees
      1g4) civil enactments prescribed by God
    3. 02708 ^הקח^ chuqqah \@khook-kaw’\@ from 02706; n f; AV-statute 77, ordinance 22, custom 2, appointed 1, manners 1, rites 1; 104
      1) statute, ordinance, limit, enactment, something prescribed
      1a) statute
    4. John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
      John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
      John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
      John 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
      John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
    5. Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
    6. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
    7. Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    8. 0779 ^ררא^ ‘arar \@aw-rar’\@ a primitive root; v; AV-curse 62, bitterly 1; 63
      1) to curse
      1a) (Qal)
      1a1) to curse
      1a2) cursed be he (participle used as in curses)
      1b) (Niphal) to be cursed, cursed
      1c) (Piel) to curse, lay under a curse, put a curse on
      1d) (Hophal) to be made a curse, be cursed
      • AlefReishReish ^ררא^
      Alef= Paradox of God and Man
      Reish= Process of Clarification of Life's revelation.
      The double Reish expresses the cause and effect of either conforming to the character or name of God or rejecting God in the eternal paradox or relationship of God and Man.
    9. 03994 ^הראמ^ mᵉerah \@meh-ay-raw’\@ from 0779; n f; {See TWOT on 168 @@ "168a"} AV-curse 4, cursing 1; 5
      1) curse
      Hebrew
      • MemAlefReishHey Mem meaning the consequence flow from an action.
      Alef= Paradox of God and Man, Reish=Process of Clarification of Life's revelation.
      • AlefReishChet is way or path
      • AlefReishHey pluck or gather 0717
      • AlefReishGimel weave shuttle
      • AlefReishBeit lay in wait, ambush, ambuscade
    10. Malachi 3:9 "Ye [are] cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, [even] this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. 12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts."
    11. Numbers 7:5 Take [it] of them, that they may be to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; and thou shalt give them unto the Levites, to every man according to his service.
    12. Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
    13. Galatians 2:10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.